EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Cant hold back progress to meet the needs of outdated equipment. Like many have said DX11 has been around for awhile now, it might be time for a new card.

Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.

Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.

Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)

This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.

The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)

I don't think any of this is correct. First off most off them can run on a 500w power supply, secondly you can get a DX11 card for well under $200. The only way this would be an issue is if you bought a rig instead of building one and they cheaped out on the components.

You do realize that the people that build their own PCs are an extreme minority, right?

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Cant hold back progress to meet the needs of outdated equipment. Like many have said DX11 has been around for awhile now, it might be time for a new card.

Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.

Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.

Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)

This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.

The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)

I don't think any of this is correct. First off most off them can run on a 500w power supply, secondly you can get a DX11 card for well under $200. The only way this would be an issue is if you bought a rig instead of building one and they cheaped out on the components.

You do realize that the people that build their own PCs are an extreme minority, right?

That really doesn't change what I said at all. If someone overpaid in 2013 for a PC still using old video cards it doesn't change the fact that DX11 cards are cheap and can run in most rigs.

Except for Nvidia claims DX 11 support on most of the 400 and 500 series when in fact the shader engine still used the 10.1 codec. Again, just because the box says dx11 compliant doesnt mean it is, you have to check dxdiag, and from what I am seeing on these forums today, and from what i know of hardware myself, GTX 700+ and Radeon HD7700+ are now min sysreq for this game, which is extreme high end. We are talking single digit percentages of people that even have those.

No big-box retailer (best buy, walmart, etc) which the majority of people purchase consumer PCs from is going to have GTX 970s in their store models. Youre missing the point.

Rylana wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Cant hold back progress to meet the needs of outdated equipment. Like many have said DX11 has been around for awhile now, it might be time for a new card.

Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.

Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.

Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)

This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.

The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)

I don't think any of this is correct. First off most off them can run on a 500w power supply, secondly you can get a DX11 card for well under $200. The only way this would be an issue is if you bought a rig instead of building one and they cheaped out on the components.

You do realize that the people that build their own PCs are an extreme minority, right?

That really doesn't change what I said at all. If someone overpaid in 2013 for a PC still using old video cards it doesn't change the fact that DX11 cards are cheap and can run in most rigs.

Except for Nvidia claims DX 11 support on most of the 400 and 500 series when in fact the shader engine still used the 10.1 codec. Again, just because the box says dx11 compliant doesnt mean it is, you have to check dxdiag, and from what I am seeing on these forums today, and from what i know of hardware myself, GTX 700+ and Radeon HD7700+ are now min sysreq for this game, which is extreme high end. We are talking single digit percentages of people that even have those.

No big-box retailer (best buy, walmart, etc) which the majority of people purchase consumer PCs from is going to have GTX 970s in their store models. Youre missing the point.

We are talking about $200 cards. Now I'm not rich by any means but you would have to really be stretching to call that "extreme high end". This is an MMO requirements change but expecting someone to have a mid tier video card to play your game seems reasonable.

I do think they should keep the old requirements for playing plus upgrading they should not force you to buy a new machine and this is possibly a mistake and maybe the dx11 is the main cause of peoples fps problems. But yeah they need to allow everyone the chance to play not just those that have upgraded machines.

The average joe gamer was not ready for this "progress"

Divinius wrote: »

I'd rather a game be allowed to advance and utilize the newest technologies, than remain stuck in the stone-age because a few players can't be bothered to update their computer more than once a decade.

Right, because updating your machine every 12 months is in everyones budget?

Also not hyperbole, DX11 GPU prevalence just passed the 30 percent mark in gamer PCs three months ago, that means 70 percent of gamers couldnt play ESO today.

You gonna pay for all those new computers bucko?

Blame video game developers and hardware makers for wanting to move on from obsolete software o_O Sure.

I built this new computer I'm on now for £500, and that's from the ground up: new case, new mobo, RAM, GPU, CPU, HDD, accessories. It runs most games on high (including Fallout 4) and runs DX12. So the costs aren't too high if you're just looking to upgrade your GPU (mine was £150 for a GeForce 960).

Lyrebon wrote: »

Blame video game developers and hardware makers for wanting to move on from obsolete software o_O Sure.

I built this new computer I'm on now for £500, and that's from the ground up: new case, new mobo, RAM, GPU, CPU, HDD, accessories. It runs most games on high (including Fallout 4) and runs DX12. So the costs aren't too high if you're just looking to upgrade your GPU (mine was £150 for a GeForce 960).

I can log into DDO now and be able to set my DX to 9,10 or 11. And I'm pretty sure DDO is not the only game that does this. It's ZOS that decided they aren't going to support 9 any more. ZOS have made a decision and now there is fallout from it. It'll be interesting to see what happens and the reaction of the gaming community as a whole, but I wouldn't hold your breath for best MMO this year.

And all because you can doesn't mean everyone else can, not everyone has spare cash and the fact you are using the £, well you should know what's happening in the UK.

Tandor wrote: »

I have no problem with an evolving game's technical requirements advancing over time, it's to be expected as part of playing such games. Without it EQ's developers would have to still have to support hardware and software from when it was released back in 1999. Back in the early days of computer gaming I recall upgrading to a whole new computer to play Infocom adventures and then again to play Ultima Underworld and yet again to play Ultima7, and that was all within the space of just a few years!

In a sense it sucks, but you can't really expect to play modern and evolving games without upgrading your gear once in a while - a bit like leveling in ESO come to think of it! I've just upgraded my graphics card as it happens, the old one died on me. I'm amazed a DX9 one is still going.

Also, there has been quite a bit of notice of this change, although it can be argued that it ought to have been more prominently announced for those who don't visit the forum or watch ESO Live etc.

omg the memories that this post brings ... infocom and ultima those were the days

Tandor wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Lyrebon wrote: »

Blame video game developers and hardware makers for wanting to move on from obsolete software o_O Sure.

I built this new computer I'm on now for £500, and that's from the ground up: new case, new mobo, RAM, GPU, CPU, HDD, accessories. It runs most games on high (including Fallout 4) and runs DX12. So the costs aren't too high if you're just looking to upgrade your GPU (mine was £150 for a GeForce 960).

I can log into DDO now and be able to set my DX to 9,10 or 11. And I'm pretty sure DDO is not the only game that does this. It's ZOS that decided they aren't going to support 9 any more. ZOS have made a decision and now there is fallout from it. It'll be interesting to see what happens and the reaction of the gaming community as a whole, but I wouldn't hold your breath for best MMO this year.

And all because you can doesn't mean everyone else can, not everyone has spare cash and the fact you are using the £, well you should know what's happening in the UK.

Please don't try and compare the graphics engine of DDO with that of ESO, just don't !

It doesn't matter the fact is the option is there. What ever ZOS think people specs are, they are going to find out exactly what people specs are over coming week with the amount of tech support requests and the drop in numbers of people logging on. But like i said earlier, ZOS gave a reasonable reason for doing it, but less then 2 years after general release. It would be like buying a new car only to be told 2 years later that we're moving over to liquid hydrogen fuel.

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

Napoleonicus wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

It happens in racing to me all the time. Just have to press on.

Doesn't quite apply. If you don't get the fancy upgrades, you still have your car.

Except you can't race it... It's exactly the same, actually.

You can, just don't expect to win any races.

No, you can't. There's a thing called "Tech". You have to go through it if you place in the top 3 (not to brag, but I consistantly do). When your parts don't match those of the others (ie. DX11), you fail Tech, and you're stripped of your results (ie. you can't play). If repeatedly fail Tech, you'll banned from the track.

The situation is the same. Without the proper parts, you can't play.

Want to play? Get the proper parts.

That simple.

Volkodav wrote: »

frethopper wrote: »

Many people are misunderstanding the grievance. The advancing requirements of gaming are irrelevant here. Yesterday I could play the very latest version of ESO on the PTS using my main gaming PC. Today I'm being told, by a company whose services I pay for, that the same machine and software are incompatible. This absolutely should not happen - ever!!!

Sadly,I am with you in this bit.I' too have been here since betas.Until today,my NVIDIA GeFORCE GTX 250 worked beautifully.Yes,the card is old,but it shouldnt have become instantly redundant overnight. Today I cannot play.Within a matter of hours I can no longer play.
And I dont have the money to just throw out there for a new card. I paid my monthly fees and bought 3000 crowns for todays launch and have lost that and all the other things I paid for too.
Now I am one of those who are upset at ZOS.

My advice, wait and see what happens then contact customer services.

While I feel somewhat sorry (I don't, really) for those who were playing this on ancient machines or non-gaming capable hardware, it sucks, yes. But like anything in life - things evolve. Your smartphone won't be usable anymore in 6 years time because it is outdated, support for it dropped, no more updates, apps and games more demanding etc - why is this any different?
Hardware evolves - so does gaming to make use of that hardware and become better.
Asking for things to stay old and outdated purposefully because you refuse to get on with the times is selfish and... You get where I'm going.

Besides, no - you are not entitled to refunds and no - devs didn't wrong you because YOU AGREED TO THIS (See T&C's).

Sorry, I feel no sympathy for people who are holding the industry back. If you can't afford it - you need to evaluate if gaming as a hobby is affordable to you as a whole because things like these will happen all the time. But if you are refusing to do it out of some principle or some false sense of entitlement - sorry but good riddance. Just because you "invested" time in a game doesn't mean you own it, or have the right to hold it's progress back because you can't be bothered to check if your hardware is capable enough.

P.S. The announcement for x64 and DX11 came a good few months ago so you had ample of time to prepare.