FPS (Thieves Guild optimization discussion)

daemonios · February 2016

Just ran the same "benchmark" on my laptop. Specs and game config below:

PC specs

Asus K56CB notebook
Intel Core i7-3537U @2GHz
8 GB RAM
GeForce GT 740M
Samsung 850 EVO 256GB SSD
Windows 8.1 x64

Graphics settings

Windowed (Fullscreen) 1024*768
V-Sync and AA OFF
Texture Quality High
Subsampling Quality High
Shadow Quality OFF
Water Reflection Quality OFF
Maximum Particle Systems 1024
Particle Suppression Distance 50
View Distance 25
Ambient Occlusion OFF
Bloom OFF
Depth of Field OFF
Distortion OFF
Sunlight Rays OFF
Magelight Lighting ON
Grass OFF

Min/max/avg fps:

FPS graph:

Conclusion
On this weaker system the difference isn't nearly as large as on my desktop; still, there's a 9% penalty in average fps (compared to 36% on the desktop).

As it is, the only thing in favour of the PTS client is that the FPS never dips below 14 (6 in the case of the live client). However, the live client had a weird hiccup at the very beginning of the test where it nearly froze, so the numbers may be a little skewed; if we discounted that issue, the PTS client would come out even worse.

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

Hey @daemonios could it be something with the change to DX11 and NVidia drivers?

daemonios · February 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Hey @daemonios could it be something with the change to DX11 and NVidia drivers?

Your guess is as good as mine

That said, many people were already running the client using DX11, I think. DX9 was just a fallback when the newer API wasn't available. So I'm pretty sure the test I ran on the live server already used DX11.

sean.plackerb14_ESO · February 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Hey @daemonios could it be something with the change to DX11 and NVidia drivers?

I'm running AMD GPU and have a massive perf drop on PTS compared to live as well. Both live and test client are using D3D 11. Noticed the same drop on another PC with a GTX 770 as well.

Here is a benchmark of running through Daggerfall along the same path. From the wayshrine to the stable by the docks, and back to the wayshrine.

Sorry for the different chart styles, not familiar with excel

Pretty bad drop in performance (about 20 FPS!), esp considering the live server had lots of characters in the area, and the test server was empty. Would have been even worse on test server if it was populated.

Specs
Z77MA-G45 Motherboard
Intel Core i5 3570 @ 4.0Ghz
24GB DDR3 1600 RAM
8GB Radeon R9 390X
Samsung 840 Pro SSD
Windows 10 Pro x64

Settings

Ultra 1080p
Water reflections on max setting
View Distance 80
Particle settings on default ultra settings

uso245 · February 2016

It doesn't have anything to do with Nvidia drivers because people with high end AMD cards are experiencing it as well. I was in Black Desert Online's closed beta too and gotta say not a single fps drop or sudden massive lag at all and with their whole after you log into the server and no loading screens after that, I am certainly tempted to make that switch.

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

uso245 wrote: »

It doesn't have anything to do with Nvidia drivers because people with high end AMD cards are experiencing it as well. I was in Black Desert Online's closed beta too and gotta say not a single fps drop or sudden massive lag at all and with their whole after you log into the server and no loading screens after that, I am certainly tempted to make that switch.

RIGHT!? i too tried the beta and i can play the game with all those people running around at max settings with 50+ fps, i did not liked the game itself because the quest is awful but it has a lot better graphics than ESO and i get a lot more fps, ZoS should hire the people who optimized that game cose right now ESO is one of worst optimized MMOs in the market. @uso245

Aelendil · February 2016

Any dev comment on this problem since this rly can't make it to live servers?

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

Aelendil wrote: »

Any dev comment on this problem since this rly can't make it to live servers?

I wish, not a single word from them i hope this doesn't mean they are ignoring the problem.

Derra · February 2016

Tried it on the PTS today and compared it to live.

Rawl kha on live is between 80 and 110 fps with some players around (only usersetting modification to up the fps limit of the game to 144).

Rawl kha on pts is at 30 to 50 fps.

What the actual snip.

This is an i7-4790k @4.5, 16gb ram, gtx 980ti windows10 pro with the game running fullscreen ultra settings at 2440x1440.

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

What the actual snip.

I don't know why that snip made me laugh so hard.

Lifecode666 · February 2016

This is bad news..

is this with 64bit client?

Derra · February 2016

For me it´s with the 32bit client as they´ve not managed to get 64 working for win 8 and 10 yet.

This can´t go live @ZOS_GinaBruno

Darlon · February 2016

let's see what today's patch and tomorrow's maintenance bring...

daemonios · February 2016

Darlon wrote: »

let's see what today's patch and tomorrow's maintenance bring...

I'm waiting for the patch to post new benchmarks for 2.3.4 32-bit and 64-bit.

Lifecode666 · February 2016

Hmmm... this is really dangerous times..

So many people thinking they will get better performance, myself included....
When 64 bit client is released I demand MUCH better performance in the entire game, especially in cyrodil..

...If not, I have to upgrade my processor and motherboard just to play eso.
Not gonna happen, when I can play witcher3 on ultra settings with no issues.

I really hope that it all works out well..

Skynetwork · February 2016

ohh ohh, it has improved nothing. x64.exe is running now under win10 pro, but i have still 35-40 fps in the new zone. this can´t go live.

(i7 6700k@4.6GHz, 32GB RAM, 2 x MSI GTX 970)

Paulington · February 2016

Yep no difference here either. Still <50% the FPS I get on live.

I am hoping this is just a PTS thing since this happens with every PTS session.

daemonios · February 2016

Annnnnnnnddddd... I'm disappointed. The FPS have undoubtedly improved, but it's still worse than live. More importantly, I'm suffering from terrible micro-stuttering whenever I move my camera around. Like the FPS went down to single-digit, but my benchmarks actually don't show the FPS that low. I kept running/riding into walls and other obstacles, and also noticed huge input lag (e.g. mount not responding to spacebar to jump). It's terrible and almost unplayable. If I move around town without touching the camera (just navigating with W/S/A/D keys) I don't get the stuttering. [EDIT] After logging in to the PTS again, the micro-stuttering is completely gone. I don't know what caused the issue in the first place.

Here's the numbers from my desktop, done in the same conditions as my post above (e.g. no add-ons, etc):

Min/max/average FPS

FPS for the duration of my test

I'm surprised to see such a big improvement with the 64-bit client actually. But it's still a performance penalty compared to live, and if the micro-stuttering isn't fixed it's going to be unplayable for me.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

This is pretty bad. My fps is halved (or worse) on the PTS. Whats going on??

Paulington · February 2016

I will say that my FPS is improved on the PTS for sure, however it's still bad compared to live.

Hopefully this is just a PTS-specific issue and will resolve itself come Live.

Darlon · February 2016

Was a lot better for me after the patch...

zerosingularity · February 2016

I'll chime in and say I am noticing similar FPS drops to everyone here. The 64-bit client on PTS is better than the 32-bit, once I got SLI to work. (Have to force alternate frame rendering, because no SLI profile available.)

I do get ~60 FPS average on PTS, but 80+ on live, so yeah. Code needs some HARDCORE optimizations. I think at this point, FPS fixes for both consistency and max/min needs to be top priority. Everyone here seems to have BEAST machines that are well above the recommended specs and have low FPS. I think some serious communication about this issue is warranted.

Admitting there is a problem earns more respect and credibility than silence until a solution is (hopefully) available.

Yojack · February 2016

Definitely better then 2.3.3 but definitely worse then live even with 64bit. Looking at task manager my memory usage is 2.5g just like live so eso is not taking advantage of the extra memory. Is there a way to boost texture cache etc to get more performance at ultra settings?

Derra · February 2016

64-bit client works okish for me too. The average fps seem to be a tad lower but the min fps are somewhat higher (meteroing 20 npcs does not produce fps under 30).

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

64-bit client works okish for me too. The average fps seem to be a tad lower but the min fps are somewhat higher (meteroing 20 npcs does not produce fps under 30).

Yeah but with a 64bit client you are supposed to get higher fps even if its just 5 more not lower, something is going on and the silence from the devs has me very worried this cannot go to live bcause this mmo is already on of the worst optimized ones on the market.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Maybe.... the plan is to ruin FPS with the next patch and then return it to normal in the 64bit client so that it seems like the client is a big improvement?

Or maybe im just paranoid :P

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

lol

sean.plackerb14_ESO · February 2016

This is my experience with the x 64 client, running the same benchmark I did in my post above. As you can see its a improvement compared to 2.3.3 and much closer to live, but still live server performance is better.

I ran these benchmarks today on both servers with the following settings.

1080p ultra-high pre-set
Water reflection quality high
View distance 60

coolmodi · March 2016

My results for ultra presets on my desktop (i5-3570k@4.6Ghz + 290X, even though GPU doesn't matter here) while running through Reapers March far away from town. It's just bad...

A good 1/3 perfromance lost, 32bit runs even worse!
On live I also have addons running, so that may or may not be some additional fps.

Edit: In cities it looks the same as above, just everything divided by ~2

Live Rawhl'ka with a *** of people runs better than pts with 0 other players...

Lifecode666 · March 2016

Anyone else tested??

It's just that on live I have 10 fps in cyrodil when bananas,smurf and tomato clash together..

I was looking forward to maybe 20 fps, but seems like i will have 0 fps now:-) lol

anyone?

What i want is 60+