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One Year Ago
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As someone who wasnt a fan of zergdiving at all i also still dislike the 1.5 meta.
1.6 on the other hand was "my patch" fitting the playstyle i always wanted to achieve. To me kiting and crowed controlling (pre animation nerf bombard
) is the essence of skill in every open world pvp game.
I get this, I truly do.
Imagine if rather than scraping their entire gameplay balance and spending a year fixing it they had spent the last year adding stuff to the game: skills, outposts, gameplay modes, anything.
RIGHT!?! This game was awesome back then. It's frankly kind of unbelievable how ZoS has slowly destroyed their game while going 2 years without adding hardly any content.
oh they added plenty of content, its just been mostly PvE with one PvP add-on0 -
Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As much as people look back at the 1.5 DK's, let's not forget that other classes in the hands of decent players preformed well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn92Vj_HDl4
RIP 1.5 Magicka NB.
just realized I didn't use cloak in 1.5... lmaoDC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
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ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.
Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.
softcaps should have stayed on in my opinion.
and yes, it has switched from mana builds being more powerful to stamina builds being more powerful. It is not entirely the fault of the dev team though. the devs only try to do what the fans want, as much as you and many others will hate me for saying, and most threads consist of someone wanting X thing nerfed. Even in the game itself this persists, I find people in chat complain more about X ability than the game mechanics as a whole, and the devs listen to it. what else are the devs to do? If they go against the wishes of the community as a whole they will face larger backlash than if they were to ignore the smaller percent of players requesting other things.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/88049/do-you-think-there-should-be-an-aoe-capDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The game was better in that there was a bigger community and more excitement and hope and such but other than that it's just details. At least in this age there's no one class that stands far and away above the rest.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭As much as people look back at the 1.5 DK's, let's not forget that other classes in the hands of decent players preformed well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn92Vj_HDl4
RIP 1.5 Magicka NB.
just realized I didn't use cloak in 1.5... lmao
good thing you practiced this before, coz next patch you can be readyVyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The game was better in that there was a bigger community and more excitement and hope and such but other than that it's just details. At least in this age there's no one class that stands far and away above the rest.
Inb4 sorcs getting the nerfbat again (probably teleport and shields) in dark brotherhood bc of what will happen after TG goes live.<Noricum>
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The game was better in that there was a bigger community and more excitement and hope and such but other than that it's just details. At least in this age there's no one class that stands far and away above the rest.
Inb4 sorcs getting the nerfbat again (probably teleport and shields) in dark brotherhood bc of what will happen after TG goes live.
TBH sorcs will prob be best class in TG. But not miles away better like DKs.
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Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As much as people look back at the 1.5 DK's, let's not forget that other classes in the hands of decent players preformed well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn92Vj_HDl4
RIP 1.5 Magicka NB.
just realized I didn't use cloak in 1.5... lmao
good thing you practiced this before, coz next patch you can be ready
Cloak will be fine.The game was better in that there was a bigger community and more excitement and hope and such but other than that it's just details. At least in this age there's no one class that stands far and away above the rest.
Inb4 sorcs getting the nerfbat again (probably teleport and shields) in dark brotherhood bc of what will happen after TG goes live.
TBH sorcs will prob be best class in TG. But not miles away better like DKs.
Agree here.The game was better in that there was a bigger community and more excitement and hope and such but other than that it's just details. At least in this age there's no one class that stands far and away above the rest.
I think that sorc has stood pretty much at the top since 1.6 dropped. While the gap isn't as far as say, 1.2 and earlier DKs, I would say it was as good as 1.5 DKs. Regardless, the CP changes and skill changes will really help sorcs for TG.0 -
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✭✭Edited by Sanct16 on February 28, 2016 12:50AM- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
AD | AR 50 | Sanct Fir'eheal | ex Mana DK @31.10.2015
EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
EP | AR 36 | S'na'ct | Mana NB {NA}
AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
AD | AR 29 | Sanct The Dark Phoenix| Stam Sorc
EP | AR 16 | Horny Sanct | Stam Warden
EP | AR 16 | Sánct Bánáná Sláyér | Mana DK
DC | AR 13 | ad worst faction eu | Stam Sorc
DC | AR 13 | Lagendary Sanct | Mana NB
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✭✭✭✭✭Ish is LOM still running? WTF happened to LB that Drako appears to have been on EP toons?0 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The game was better in that there was a bigger community and more excitement and hope and such but other than that it's just details. At least in this age there's no one class that stands far and away above the rest.
Inb4 sorcs getting the nerfbat again (probably teleport and shields) in dark brotherhood bc of what will happen after TG goes live.
What will happen? Sorcs got zero buffs as far as I'm aware.Edited by Lord_Hev on February 28, 2016 2:31AM0 -
Bane_of_Fringe✭✭✭People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.
Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.
Soft caps made the builds more diverse because skills that are suboptimal now were viable then. Perfect example is Flame Whip. Softcaps also kept the power of really strong skills restrained, e.g. hardened ward, streak, cloak.
Since the introduction of the stamina / magicka divide with 1.6 coupled with uncapped stats, players were forced to choose one or the other. Hence all stamina builds are basically the same because there is not enough flexibility in class skills to truly make a build. Pre-1.6 everyone utilized mostly class skills and hybrids were viable. Recall the strong setup of Warlock + Arena. Who runs that now? Or when the heavy armor passives were actually good.
Another point: part of the reason players think fondly of their DKs is that -- despite some of the overpowered skills -- the class concept and execution were excellent. The DragonKnight, it skills, passives, strengths, and weakness made sense. ZoS was really close on the other three -- they just needed to keep tweaking. Instead, everything was thrown out the window.
Sooo much this.
Get rid of nirn, bring the class changes that 1.6 brought, and then keep soft caps.
I remember when Suru taught me sap tanking in 1.4-5. Jeez I really miss "that" game.
I learned to play in 1.6. That was better than what you guys got anyways.Characters:RAGE
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Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Back with old forward camps we actually had crazy scroll chases, these days once they get it out of the temple it's pretty much gone. Although at the time they hadn't fixed the 'ability lag' problem, which you rarely see anymore since IC update.
https://youtu.be/2-1IXabd_Tc
Woaah what a pug fight. Havent seen such fight since like one and a half year. IT looks beautiful!Edited by Soris on February 28, 2016 4:16AMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]1 -
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✭✭✭1.6 was the sweet spot imo. Yeah, damage was high, and sorc was op, but I'd take that back over anything D;Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.2 -
TheLaw✭✭✭✭The old team left, the unskilled stayed. Game went in the wrong direction.-= Shahrzad the Great |Sorc| =-2 -
Etaniel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As much as people look back at the 1.5 DK's, let's not forget that other classes in the hands of decent players preformed well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn92Vj_HDl4
RIP 1.5 Magicka NB.
@Sypher Naah, impossible, only dks were strong at that time, you must be mistakenThis was possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0
Shout-out to @Etaniel for the most bad-ass DK videos from 1.4 and 1.5 and insane zerg-diving.
Now we're all in one-shot builds with infinite mana (LOL) shouting 3... 2... 1... prox now.
Scream all you want about imbalance, the game was more fun then.
RIP 1.5
Post your fondest memories of yester-year.
@Ishammael Thanks for the throwback, this means it has been 1 year since I actually had good fun on my dk ^^
The game was too fun for my own good though haha
The first disgusting group to hit Cyrodiil0 -
DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
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I actually felt sick watching thafVyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
Vir Cor | Stamina Dragonknight | DC
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sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Back with old forward camps we actually had crazy scroll chases, these days once they get it out of the temple it's pretty much gone. Although at the time they hadn't fixed the 'ability lag' problem, which you rarely see anymore since IC update.https://youtu.be/2-1IXabd_Tc
Woaah what a pug fight. Havent seen such fight since like one and a half year. IT looks beautiful!
And look at that loading screen - you barely notice it!0 -
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✭✭:'(
wtb dynamic ulti, cool animations, soft caps, and an update where blocking in PvP was actually a thingEdited by Draxys on February 28, 2016 11:48AM2013
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Suru✭✭✭✭Bane_of_Fringe wrote: »People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.
Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.
Soft caps made the builds more diverse because skills that are suboptimal now were viable then. Perfect example is Flame Whip. Softcaps also kept the power of really strong skills restrained, e.g. hardened ward, streak, cloak.
Since the introduction of the stamina / magicka divide with 1.6 coupled with uncapped stats, players were forced to choose one or the other. Hence all stamina builds are basically the same because there is not enough flexibility in class skills to truly make a build. Pre-1.6 everyone utilized mostly class skills and hybrids were viable. Recall the strong setup of Warlock + Arena. Who runs that now? Or when the heavy armor passives were actually good.
Another point: part of the reason players think fondly of their DKs is that -- despite some of the overpowered skills -- the class concept and execution were excellent. The DragonKnight, it skills, passives, strengths, and weakness made sense. ZoS was really close on the other three -- they just needed to keep tweaking. Instead, everything was thrown out the window.
Sooo much this.
Get rid of nirn, bring the class changes that 1.6 brought, and then keep soft caps.
I remember when Suru taught me sap tanking in 1.4-5. Jeez I really miss "that" game.
I learned to play in 1.6. That was better than what you guys got anyways.
Whoa, yea sap tanking was so fun back then. People were still learning back then too, so being invincible felt.great too. As far as a magika nb could be.
It was a fun time, every class had their own uniqueness. Sorcs, Dks, Templar and Nightblades and different feel forsure. Probability because everyone was magika and.each magika build per class was different. You could differentiate. Now every stam build is differentiated. By jabs, wings, SA or lolstamsorc.
I think those cookie cutter times were really skill dependent, but i think it requires just as much skill now, just the lag makes the gameplay so unbearable. Its annoying to kill someone in lag with 50% dmge reduction. But it is what it is.
Im with everyone else, I'd love 1.6 with cp caps (so there isnt any cp q.q) and some tweaks back please.
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Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Back then everything was perfect.................
No claims that it was.
This video is patch 1.3?Ish is LOM still running? WTF happened to LB that Drako appears to have been on EP toons?
LoM fell apart after Grunt quit. I don't have the play time to run a guild.
And yeah, Drako hasn't gotten on DC in a long while. He, Yujo, and Anarchista went to EP for while. But I don't think they are super active now anyway.The old team left, the unskilled stayed. Game went in the wrong direction.
I would change this to: "The old team left, the players that truly loved the game stayed. ZoS mis-diagnosed the gameplay problem set and the game went in the wrong direction.":'(
wtb dynamic ulti, cool animations, soft caps, and an update where blocking in PvP was actually a thing
I am preparing a post called "PvP Roadmap 2016 for ZoS" in which I address all of these things.
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Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Ishammael Thanks for the throwback, this means it has been 1 year since I actually had good fun on my dk ^^
The game was too fun for my own good though haha
The game was so fun during that time that I am still playing hoping to re-create some semblance of it. Not even joking.1 -
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People just forget too easily...Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!0 -
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People just forget too easily...
Nobody forgot. Does this not still happen today?
The thing is -- it was possible to fight that group with good play and dynamic ultimate. Now you just need a bigger group because you really don't have a chance.4 -
Draxys✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Ishammael Thanks for the throwback, this means it has been 1 year since I actually had good fun on my dk ^^
The game was too fun for my own good though haha
The game was so fun during that time that I am still playing hoping to re-create some semblance of it. Not even joking.
That's honestly why I'm still around. Well, that combined with not having another game that I'm interested in enough to get invested in it. I feel that the few of the old PvP crowd that are still around are here because they are holding onto what the game used to be. Sure, it can still be loads of fun under the right circumstances, but the magic is gone.2013
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MountainHound✭✭✭✭As much as people look back at the 1.5 DK's, let's not forget that other classes in the hands of decent players preformed well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn92Vj_HDl4
RIP 1.5 Magicka NB.
what is the one minute timer by the ultimate / 5th kill?0
https://youtu.be/h4RxepnXYO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l00sTJRU7LE