One Year Ago

Ishammael

This was possible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0

Shout-out to @Etaniel for the most bad-ass DK videos from 1.4 and 1.5 and insane zerg-diving.

Now we're all in one-shot builds with infinite mana (LOL) shouting 3... 2... 1... prox now.
Scream all you want about imbalance, the game was more fun then.
RIP 1.5

Post your fondest memories of yester-year.

IxSTALKERxI

Back with old forward camps we actually had crazy scroll chases, these days once they get it out of the temple it's pretty much gone. Although at the time they hadn't fixed the 'ability lag' problem, which you rarely see anymore since IC update.

https://youtu.be/2-1IXabd_Tc

Dread_Guy

What was the song? It really set the mood lol

Jhunn

You can say whatever you want about dynamic ulti-gen, but back then skill and group coordination mattered more than numbers to a way higher degree than now-a-days. These guys make it look easy because they were some of the best at it (except @Nafirian RIP 1st clip). Unbelievable how fun the game was back then - and how f*cking smooth the animations and perfomance overall was compared to now.

It's sad ZOS ruined what we had and it's even more sad it's probably never going to be as fun again.

Edit: Gotta add this one. No AOE caps, scrubs being punished for being scrubs. As it should be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtN-rB0OQVU

IxSTALKERxI

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

What was the song? It really set the mood lol

Etaniel's vid starts off with a song from the matrix - 'clubbed to death'

Cody

i dont miss 1.5 as a whole but there are certain aspects I miss. Softcaps, for one.

Sypher

As much as people look back at the 1.5 DK's, let's not forget that other classes in the hands of decent players preformed well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn92Vj_HDl4


RIP 1.5 Magicka NB.

Lord_Hev

People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.


Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.

Mojmir

and the prox det caterpillar

Nafirian

Ishammael wrote: »

This was possible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0

Shout-out to @Etaniel for the most bad-ass DK videos from 1.4 and 1.5 and insane zerg-diving.

Now we're all in one-shot builds with infinite mana (LOL) shouting 3... 2... 1... prox now.
Scream all you want about imbalance, the game was more fun then.
RIP 1.5

Post your fondest memories of yester-year.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The memories @LegendaryChef Your negates in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wgmwZ1Fams

VoiDGhOs7

RIP 1.5 and it's wonders...

Derra

Negatebot does not remember 1.5 fondly. Not at all.

Darkonflare15

Lord_Hev wrote: »

People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.


Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.

Nothing really change back then we had people getting their ultimates infinitely and most people stack crits so they can build ultimates faster. There were plenty of cookie cutter builds. We still had people complaining 1.5 was crap. We still had people complain about class imbalance. Instead of sorcs and nightblades being op we had just sorcs and DKs being op. Bat swarming was a bigger probelm back then. 1.5 was the rise of nirnhoned. Everybody was stacking aoes. There was plenty of people using cookie cutter builds. So nothing really change other then a new meta with new problems tbh.

Edziu

Ishammael wrote: »

This was possible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XastWEM6pq0

Shout-out to @Etaniel for the most bad-ass DK videos from 1.4 and 1.5 and insane zerg-diving.

Now we're all in one-shot builds with infinite mana (LOL) shouting 3... 2... 1... prox now.
Scream all you want about imbalance, the game was more fun then.
RIP 1.5

Post your fondest memories of yester-year.

aahhhh those were the days when group/zerg pvp wasn't based on aoe, (and this group like now banana squad but without unbrain aoe spam) mainly aoe only from ulties and sometimes from normal skills, , no stupid aoe spam for idiot zerg pugs, this was very very much better than now with 20-40 idiots spamming now *** aoe, tornado deto, they dont need brain to target someone...just go ahead with group spamming aoe and dont use you brain to target someone, for what? if he will die in moment from 20+ aoe skills in this same time.

delete aoe skills from pvp or maybe make you can be hiited from aoe only from 2 persons, then also you can destroy zerg with few peoples like in this

Jhunn wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtN-rB0OQVU

no more stupid unbrain aoe spam zergs pls

Yuke

As someone who wasnt a fan of zergdiving at all i also still dislike the 1.5 meta.

1.6 on the other hand was "my patch" fitting the playstyle i always wanted to achieve. To me kiting and crowed controlling (pre animation nerf bombard ) is the essence of skill in every open world pvp game.

Ishammael

Sypher wrote: »

As much as people look back at the 1.5 DK's, let's not forget that other classes in the hands of decent players preformed well.

RIP 1.5 Magicka NB.

This is totally true. I remember being put on "farm" by krim when he was emp while I was still learning to play the game.

IxSTALKERxI

Did someone say dynamic ulti-gen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESqr_QyaGKA

Ishammael

Lord_Hev wrote: »

People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.


Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.

Soft caps made the builds more diverse because skills that are suboptimal now were viable then. Perfect example is Flame Whip. Softcaps also kept the power of really strong skills restrained, e.g. hardened ward, streak, cloak.

Since the introduction of the stamina / magicka divide with 1.6 coupled with uncapped stats, players were forced to choose one or the other. Hence all stamina builds are basically the same because there is not enough flexibility in class skills to truly make a build. Pre-1.6 everyone utilized mostly class skills and hybrids were viable. Recall the strong setup of Warlock + Arena. Who runs that now? Or when the heavy armor passives were actually good.

Another point: part of the reason players think fondly of their DKs is that -- despite some of the overpowered skills -- the class concept and execution were excellent. The DragonKnight, it skills, passives, strengths, and weakness made sense. ZoS was really close on the other three -- they just needed to keep tweaking. Instead, everything was thrown out the window.

Ishammael

Yuke wrote: »

As someone who wasnt a fan of zergdiving at all i also still dislike the 1.5 meta.

1.6 on the other hand was "my patch" fitting the playstyle i always wanted to achieve. To me kiting and crowed controlling (pre animation nerf bombard ) is the essence of skill in every open world pvp game.

I get this, I truly do.

Imagine if rather than scraping their entire gameplay balance and spending a year fixing it they had spent the last year adding stuff to the game: skills, outposts, gameplay modes, anything.

Ishammael

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Back with old forward camps we actually had crazy scroll chases, these days once they get it out of the temple it's pretty much gone. Although at the time they hadn't fixed the 'ability lag' problem, which you rarely see anymore since IC update.

Good times.

Ground Oil
Camps
Huge Fights

mchermie

I really miss BOTH 1.5 and 1.6. If either of those came back I would be so happy (not going to happen though..). Both so much more fun to play in than the current state of the game

Berserkur

Imaging how high the ping will be nowadays

ginoboehm

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_KaiSchober you see what we see in this video? actually skill and not the current meta ! You see what we don't see ? Freaking lag. Man/Girl up and role back to that it was a better game

blabafat

rip @ebethke_ESO glorious negates

Glory

blabafat wrote: »

rip @ebethke_ESO glorious negates

Not Glorious is dead.

RoamingRiverElk

Ishammael wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.


Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.

Soft caps made the builds more diverse because skills that are suboptimal now were viable then. Perfect example is Flame Whip. Softcaps also kept the power of really strong skills restrained, e.g. hardened ward, streak, cloak.

Since the introduction of the stamina / magicka divide with 1.6 coupled with uncapped stats, players were forced to choose one or the other. Hence all stamina builds are basically the same because there is not enough flexibility in class skills to truly make a build. Pre-1.6 everyone utilized mostly class skills and hybrids were viable. Recall the strong setup of Warlock + Arena. Who runs that now? Or when the heavy armor passives were actually good.

Another point: part of the reason players think fondly of their DKs is that -- despite some of the overpowered skills -- the class concept and execution were excellent. The DragonKnight, it skills, passives, strengths, and weakness made sense. ZoS was really close on the other three -- they just needed to keep tweaking. Instead, everything was thrown out the window.

THIS.

Poxheart

Watching those videos it's amazing to see how far the game has fallen.

Cody

Lord_Hev wrote: »

People say that 1.5 was all magic dominated. Yet it still felt so diverse, and every class had it's own unique feel and role to play.


Now it's just Stam builds wearing Bloodspawn and Kena + Shuffle running around.. Every single stam build performs the same. Feels the same. Fights the same. And even -looks- the same. Does not even matter what class you are. Literally look and behave the same. How utterly boring. This meta is the true definition of cookie-cutter. Not what the morons cried 1.5 was. How much weap dmg can you stack while maintaining some sustain, and just go ham.

softcaps should have stayed on in my opinion.

and yes, it has switched from mana builds being more powerful to stamina builds being more powerful. It is not entirely the fault of the dev team though. the devs only try to do what the fans want, as much as you and many others will hate me for saying, and most threads consist of someone wanting X thing nerfed. Even in the game itself this persists, I find people in chat complain more about X ability than the game mechanics as a whole, and the devs listen to it. what else are the devs to do? If they go against the wishes of the community as a whole they will face larger backlash than if they were to ignore the smaller percent of players requesting other things.

Junipus

ginoboehm wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_KaiSchober you see what we see in this video? actually skill and not the current meta ! You see what we don't see ? Freaking lag. Man/Girl up and role back to that it was a better game

Skill? Yes.
Fun times? Yes.
Lag? Also yes.

Just because you can't see it in the videos doesn't mean it didn't exist. Lots of fond memories of 1.5 but also lots of memories of having to only light attack since nothing worked from lag, not to mention frequent server kicks.

Lag won't get better until they reduce server side particle processing

Kilandros

This game was so much better back then.

Kilandros

Ishammael wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

As someone who wasnt a fan of zergdiving at all i also still dislike the 1.5 meta.

1.6 on the other hand was "my patch" fitting the playstyle i always wanted to achieve. To me kiting and crowed controlling (pre animation nerf bombard ) is the essence of skill in every open world pvp game.

I get this, I truly do.

Imagine if rather than scraping their entire gameplay balance and spending a year fixing it they had spent the last year adding stuff to the game: skills, outposts, gameplay modes, anything.

RIGHT!?! This game was awesome back then. It's frankly kind of unbelievable how ZoS has slowly destroyed their game while going 2 years without adding hardly any content.