Why can't Nightblades think outside the box?

davey1107 · February 2016

As a Nightblade, I have to think outside the box.

Because I filled the box with decaying body parts [snip], and there's no room in the box any more. And the box smells.

[Edited for baiting comment]

qrichou · February 2016

To get an answer you should profile players to class type wich could give insight in . . .uhm nevermind

Eejit1331 · February 2016

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave, but the river of tears is just comical and over dramatic.
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine. L2P

And I find it highly ironic that it was players like you most likely who were QQing up a storm about cloak in IC because you were incapable of learning how to easily counter it. So Zenimax gave you all an "EZ" button to nullify one of the NB classes most defining skills.

Maybe if you had one of your main's iconic skills rendered useless you would catch a clue as to why NBs are so up in arms about magelight (and the nerf to cloak also)

My pvp magicka NB is my main and I'll do just fine. I'm just sick of the NB babies crying about a nerf instead of theory crafting and dealing with what you have and what it will be. (that's what DKS and Sorcs did after their nerf). Man up NBs.

Witar · February 2016

The only reason this class was so popular in pvp is absurdly easy combo of cloak+ambush.
Now when cloak was nerfed they actually need to put some effort and strategy to win fights.
And they don't want to. Typical childish behavior.

Lyrebon · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Magelight prevents stuns, every class has stuns. It also reveals stealthed enemies and increases your spell critical damage. Don't see how that's sacrificing a skill slot to fight only one class.

Cloak will become completely useless after the update. I don't use it now myself, only in PvE situations where I needed a DoTs cleanser, but even that ability is getting removed from Cloak.

Greiver · February 2016

There was no need for a magelight buff and cloak nerf. Should have been 1 or the other. Great job with the QQ's. Only have other players to blame for this.

SirAndy · February 2016

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave. The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine.

Luckily for my NB, your box isn't even worth considering to be squeezed into. Get a better box.

[Edited for quote]

KingDuncanVII · February 2016

Witar wrote: »

The only reason this class was so popular in pvp is absurdly easy combo of cloak+ambush.
Now when cloak was nerfed they actually need to put some effort and strategy to win fights.
And they don't want to. Typical childish behavior.

I'd just like to point out, the Nightblade class is essentially meant to be an "Assassin". That being said, an Assassin's mindset isn't to get into a back-and-forth fight. It's to assassinate (or deal a lot of damage in a very small window). So, as a Nightblade, my "strategy" is to deal as much damage as I can within a very small window. If that person doesn't die or it is taking longer than expected, I'll escape back into the shadows and figure out a better strategy to take that person out (either by getting assistance or waiting for them to be off guard). If someone chose to be a Nightblade, it's most likely because they like the idea of being an assassin/hunter and want to adapt to that playstyle in ESO.

However, while this Radiant Light ability will be tricky, it doesn't mean it's unavoidable. And it's bright and blue, so you know who has it. Personally, I run Bow + 2H so I usually stealth strike players from a distance with a Heavy Bow attack, it stuns them, and I jump in to attempt to assassinate. This strategy can be used to Radiant Light users as well because you stealth strike from a distance (I won't be seen by the radiant light and can still catch the RL user off-guard).

The DoT nerf of the Dark Cloak ability is a bit of a disappointment, not because I necessarily NEED to have my Cloak remove DoTs, but because there is no Stamina-based counter for that and I have to (as a Stamblade) resort to a Magicka-based ability to cure myself of DoTs - this will drain my Magicka resources. And aren't they increasing how much Magicka is needed to cast Purge as well? This puts me in a bad situation because I can't keep up Dark Cloak long enough to keep off multiple instances of DoTs. If there was some Stamina ability we could use to cleanse ourselves, I wouldn't mind this nerf.

Master_Kas · February 2016

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave, but the river of tears is just comical and over dramatic.
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine. L2P

I know this is a mockery of araxleons thread but.

What if evil hunter did this:

Gave the person having it slotted 2% max stan and stam regen
The crit as it have now

And "Prevents enemy from using a damage shield for 5 second".

How would you like that? Balanced? Noo it's our main defense yada yada.

And don't give me a bs reply about using shieldbreaker. lightattacks which has a cooldown and are outhealable isn't close to what magelight does to cloak (oh and aoe and detection pots)

How if there was a pot that made me ignore damage shields?
What if some specific attack made shields useless (like aoe for example) ?

Not even comparable for one second, but whatever floats your boat

FYI: I will think outside the box as NB has been my main since launch

gen_reynard2050 · February 2016

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Sausage · February 2016

Oh, so why tank tanks, and why healer heals and you wonder why damage dealers deal damage. ESO is holy trinity game, dont forget that, find another game if you dont like it, like TSW is classless.

What Ive said that everybody likes to do damage, why cant they increase siege dmg? So everybody gets a piece of the action. Siege weapons should be the main source of the heat/hate. Is that out of the box enough for you? We dont need to turn this into class vs class battles.

acw37162 · February 2016

Judging from the copious amounts of argonian nightblades I findl leveling up in black waterblade these days.

I get the impression he only rivers of NB tears on the forums will be clever alchemists tears of joy.

J2JMC · February 2016

Why stop there? Let's challenge mag sorcs to not use daedric mines and mag templars to not use BoL. Oh wait, only nightblades aren't allowed to have niche defensive abilities for some reason. I honestly don't care about the cloak nerf. Whether it was positive or negative, people are still going to cry about nightblades because no one knows how to deal with stealth classes. It's not just ESO. It's any game with some aspect of pvp and a stealth mechanic involved. "Oh no, the squishy burst damage character didn't 1v1 my character designed around dueling and sustained damage. Not fair qq."

Eejit1331 · February 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave, but the river of tears is just comical and over dramatic.
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine. L2P

I know this is a mockery of araxleons thread but.

What if evil hunter did this:

Gave the person having it slotted 2% max stan and stam regen
The crit as it have now

And "Prevents enemy from using a damage shield for 5 second".

How would you like that? Balanced? Noo it's our main defense yada yada.

And don't give me a bs reply about using shieldbreaker. lightattacks which has a cooldown and are outhealable isn't close to what magelight does to cloak (oh and aoe and detection pots)

How if there was a pot that made me ignore damage shields?
What if some specific attack made shields useless (like aoe for example) ?

Not even comparable for one second, but whatever floats your boat

FYI: I will think outside the box as NB has been my main since launch

@Masrer_Kas good eye, but there is truth to what i say. I would say both the NB and Sorc classes cry like no other. I give props to DKs for the lack of QQ and temp have always been sub par so that's all they know and may not even know they should be qq'ing..lol.. to all fairness, I don't want to see the nerf, but only if they put reflect and GDB back to how it was, tone down the nerfs on sorcs and if the temps aren't a healing class, get rid of the healing tree and give them something else. But... none of this will happen, all classes have dealt with huge nerfs and now it is the NB turn. NB have been screaming their class is broken for years, but have also been the main antagonists in the nerfs of other classes. When you point at someone you have three finger pointing back, just a reminder for all classes/races. Now, it is time to think outside the box and maybe we all can learn from this and begin to have some linear thinking and how these ripples will damage our beloved game.

ZOS_CoriJ · February 2016

Looks like there has been a lot of good arguments and discussion in this thread. Some of the comments are toeing the line of sniping at players and groups, which is to be expected based on the subject. However just make sure to keep the discussion from getting too personal. Carry on!

Master_Kas · February 2016

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave, but the river of tears is just comical and over dramatic.
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine. L2P

I know this is a mockery of araxleons thread but.

What if evil hunter did this:

Gave the person having it slotted 2% max stan and stam regen
The crit as it have now

And "Prevents enemy from using a damage shield for 5 second".

How would you like that? Balanced? Noo it's our main defense yada yada.

And don't give me a bs reply about using shieldbreaker. lightattacks which has a cooldown and are outhealable isn't close to what magelight does to cloak (oh and aoe and detection pots)

How if there was a pot that made me ignore damage shields?
What if some specific attack made shields useless (like aoe for example) ?

Not even comparable for one second, but whatever floats your boat

FYI: I will think outside the box as NB has been my main since launch

@Masrer_Kas good eye, but there is truth to what i say. I would say both the NB and Sorc classes cry like no other. I give props to DKs for the lack of QQ and temp have always been sub par so that's all they know and may not even know they should be qq'ing..lol.. to all fairness, I don't want to see the nerf, but only if they put reflect and GDB back to how it was, tone down the nerfs on sorcs and if the temps aren't a healing class, get rid of the healing tree and give them something else. But... none of this will happen, all classes have dealt with huge nerfs and now it is the NB turn. NB have been screaming their class is broken for years, but have also been the main antagonists in the nerfs of other classes. When you point at someone you have three finger pointing back, just a reminder for all classes/races. Now, it is time to think outside the box and maybe we all can learn from this and begin to have some linear thinking and how these ripples will damage our beloved game.

Fully agreed

Already have somethings in mind for my stamina nightblade. Will be fun when probably alot of players will roll back to magicka specs.

The nerfs was coming, was just a matter of time. We'll see where it takes us.

Volkodav · February 2016

I am so happy that I wont have to respec.I dont use the skills that are about to be nerfed.Hopefully the Stamina wont be taken down too much. Still,I'll adapt as needed in the end and not dump the NBs I have to play a different class. I be loyal to NBs. :}

olsborg · February 2016

If thinking outside the box makes zergs not be able to kill you Xv1, zos should nerf the box

Volkodav · February 2016

olsborg wrote: »

If thinking outside the box makes zergs not be able to kill you Xv1, zos should nerf the box

Funny.

Tryxus · February 2016

HairyFairy · February 2016

The thing that is being missed, is that now that it will be toggled, everyone will run it on one of their bars. everyone that is a magicka based user for it now gives empowerment or whatever, and it completely stops a NB from cloaking for 3 seconds.

Cody · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

yes they will.

Tryxus · February 2016

even a Stam build?

Well, StamBlades could use it for the Empower buff (smth I'm gonna try out soon once mine is done) but other than that, Magelight doesn't offer anything useful to Stam builds

laksikus · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

the real problem with that is that it favors ball gorups again. purge change will hurt loners, and the mage light will prevent any nb to sneak away from any zerg.
atm its about 50/50 if i can escape ifi run into a zergball, next update im dead

cyx54tc · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Now youd be foolish not to equip it.

Only if you're a PvEer in IC

In Cyrodiil proper, I kinda expect the amount of ppl who use this skill to be the same

you only need "1" guy in the zerg to slot the skill to make sure any solo nb is dead on sight

Tryxus · February 2016

cyx54tc wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Now youd be foolish not to equip it.

Only if you're a PvEer in IC

In Cyrodiil proper, I kinda expect the amount of ppl who use this skill to be the same

you only need "1" guy in the zerg to slot the skill to make sure any solo nb is dead on sight

And you only need 1 guys with Bombard

or Caltrops

or Fear

or Mark

...

Zergs always had the possibility of finding and eliminating NB, now they have 1 extra skill to do so

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

The changes made cloak useless. It was the most unreliable ability in the game, and I only used it for it's purge, and they got rid of that; now it's off my bar. As for people that use cloak as part of a rotation; this change has crippled their play style, and the only way cloak is going to be viable is from a distance.

The change was too harsh. If every other class were to receive the same treatment Nightblades received; there would be a move that disables damage shields for 3 seconds, a move that disables heals for 3 seconds, and a move that would disable all reflecting abilities for 3 seconds. People who say this was a fair change just have something against Nightblades.

Personally this change doesn't bother me because the move was crap. However I'm not going to pretend that this was a fair change. Now Cloak is going to be like Immovable. A move that's kind of useful but not really.

sneakymitchell · February 2016

I wonder?

KhajiitiLizard · February 2016

sneakymitchell wrote: »

I wonder?

Don't forget to slot porno mag...

RatedChaotic · February 2016

^nerf it