Templar Passive (Balanced warrior)

LizardThixvim · February 2016

The Templar Passive "Blanced Warrior" isnt exactly balanced, right now its 6% more weapon damage and 2640 spell resistance, why not make it either the same for magicka builds, 6% spell and weapon damage, and 2640 spell and physical resistance, or if that is too powerful passive, make it 3% spell and weapon damage, and 1320 spell and physical resistance, would make the passive "balanced" for both stamina and magicka builds.

@Wrobel

EdmundTowers · February 2016

I agree. As a templar player, i could use the extra stats to defend my house against home invaders.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

The Templar Passive "Blanced Warrior" isnt exactly balanced, right now its 6% more weapon damage and 2640 spell resistance, why not make it either the same for magicka builds, 6% spell and weapon damage, and 2640 spell and physical resistance, or if that is too powerful passive, make it 3% spell and weapon damage, and 1320 spell and physical resistance, would make the passive "balanced" for both stamina and magicka builds.

@Wrobel

At one time it was all weapon powers magic and stamina were weapon damage spell powers was just for class powers.

Spell damage was everywhere but like many powers and sets when they changed the way weapon and spell power work they left many things with a useless bonus.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Please don't gut the weapon damage bonus. For goodness sake the Stamplar doesn't need more nerfs. Its practically the only reason to play a Stamplar.

myrrrorb14_ESO · February 2016

It's called balanced warrior for a reason. Weapon damage is the other side that balances spell resist.

It would be called Valliant Warrior if it was all physical stuff or Magnificent Mage for magicka

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

A general damage and spell resistance would be good all but one ultimate is magic so it's cause useful vs stamina builds

Speely · February 2016

A skill conceived in a time when hybrids were viable. Now that they aren't, I still don't like the idea of taking away a Stamplar staple. As a Magicka Temp who uses DW primarily, it at leasts boosts my LA weaves a bit, and the extra SR alone is worth the skill point imo. Not mad at this passive, tbh.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

I'd be happy with 6% wpn/spell dmg, sorc usually run around with 6-10% more spell/wpn dmg anyway.

LizardThixvim · February 2016

The 6% wpn/spell dmg would be amazing as it gives mag templar more dmg and doesnt nerf or affect stamplar in anyway

Artjuh90 · February 2016

well templar already have *** passives so why not boost the one or 2 good ones. don't see a problem there. And yes you can state the ultimate reduce cost and faster ult gain are good but you need a decent ult to use it really and we all know the templars ult >.<

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

The problem with Templars is a core problem with the idea of the class. We Nightblades have burst damage out the a**, Sorcerer can shield against mad damage while burning you down and Dragon Knights are the most self-sufficient class.

But Templars were designed to do it all DPS, Tank and Heal. With a role spread that wipe all roles playable with ease they have to focus to much on non class powers too play their roles it's not right.

The class can't be balanced as they have to still be able to do it all.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The problem with Templars is a core problem with the idea of the class. We Nightblades have burst damage out the a**, Sorcerer can shield against mad damage while burning you down and Dragon Knights are the most self-sufficient class.

But Templars were designed to do it all DPS, Tank and Heal. With a role spread that wipe all roles playable with ease they have to focus to much on non class powers too play their roles it's not right.

The class can't be balanced as they have to still be able to do it all.

I'd like to not rely on ult to sustain, i'd prefer flat sustain like nb's have.

There not really that good at being self sufficient.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

The Templar Passive "Blanced Warrior" isnt exactly balanced, right now its 6% more weapon damage and 2640 spell resistance, why not make it either the same for magicka builds, 6% spell and weapon damage, and 2640 spell and physical resistance, or if that is too powerful passive, make it 3% spell and weapon damage, and 1320 spell and physical resistance, would make the passive "balanced" for both stamina and magicka builds.

@Wrobel

Absolutely not. This is a terrible suggestion. I have been quiet in most of the Templar threads that recommend this, but are you seriously offering up a nerf for stamina Templar so magicka Templar can get a buff? Do not dare nerf the weapon damage on this passive. Magicka Templar has already vastly out performed stamina Templar to date. TG patch will probably make it even worse though I hold out hope the major mending buff will make us relevant again. Terrible suggestion, stop thinking in tunnel vision!

Edit: For those saying the passive is not "balanced" then change the name. Not the passive.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The problem with Templars is a core problem with the idea of the class. We Nightblades have burst damage out the a**, Sorcerer can shield against mad damage while burning you down and Dragon Knights are the most self-sufficient class.

But Templars were designed to do it all DPS, Tank and Heal. With a role spread that wipe all roles playable with ease they have to focus to much on non class powers too play their roles it's not right.

The class can't be balanced as they have to still be able to do it all.

Yes somehow everyone else can now do it all. You also fail to mention a fourth play style, which I recognize isn't always a part of games: Crowd Control. Templar does not do crowd control though it does have a couple effects, everyone else does it in a major way. Now that everyone else can heal I really think the class needs CC adjustments and Mitigation adjustments.

valthierX · February 2016

New member here and I have a wood elf templar and she's not really strong. I got to see a level 37 sorcerer and he can kill the enemies in one attack while my (lvl 44) templar is struggling to kill what he killed.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Great idea! While @Wrobel is at it, he can make Honor the Dead scale off of max stamina and weapon damage. You know, for "balance".

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · February 2016

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

It's called balanced warrior for a reason. Weapon damage is the other side that balances spell resist.

It would be called Valliant Warrior if it was all physical stuff or Magnificent Mage for magicka

thats a good point, BUT, the point of the thread is that weapon damage/spell resist is good for a stamina build, but a magica build only can use the spell resist= not balanced
suggestion, make balanced for stam and magica, not balanced for flavor

sneakymitchell · February 2016

Your right it doesn't make sense.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The problem with Templars is a core problem with the idea of the class. We Nightblades have burst damage out the a**, Sorcerer can shield against mad damage while burning you down and Dragon Knights are the most self-sufficient class.

But Templars were designed to do it all DPS, Tank and Heal. With a role spread that wipe all roles playable with ease they have to focus to much on non class powers too play their roles it's not right.

The class can't be balanced as they have to still be able to do it all.

I'd like to not rely on ult to sustain, i'd prefer flat sustain like nb's have.

There not really that good at being self sufficient.

My Magic Dragon Knight can easily keep stamina and heal up that 5% stamina return with my 2.6 regen and igneous shield buffing healing I can block cast in a Mage better then any of my stamina builds and heal myself to boot dropping that Shooting Star and getting not only tri stats return and a ultimate return it's now cant be reflected.

Magic Dragon Knight has more sustain then anyone with or without the use of ultimates.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

I fully support solo play but it should be like you are forced to go all in. Like a Nightblades should be able to solo but only as pure glass canon assassin. Dragon Knight pure Tank and so on.

Every class being able to do everything is just silly. Like I have a Nightblade Tank... An assassin class tank, and a Dragon Knight stamina ganker.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

It's called balanced warrior for a reason. Weapon damage is the other side that balances spell resist.

It would be called Valliant Warrior if it was all physical stuff or Magnificent Mage for magicka

thats a good point, BUT, the point of the thread is that weapon damage/spell resist is good for a stamina build, but a magica build only can use the spell resist= not balanced
suggestion, make balanced for stam and magica, not balanced for flavor

@dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO Magicka templars have an entire tree (dawns wrath) that is inaccessible to Stamina templars save for 1 passive.

Why are you calling for the one advantage Stamina templars have to be balanced for Magicka? Are you also suggesting that dawns wrath / healing skills be balanced with stamina morphs? Otherwise this sounds like a very selfish request.

LizardThixvim · February 2016

if people want a stamina BoL i want a magicka vigor

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

It's called balanced warrior for a reason. Weapon damage is the other side that balances spell resist.

It would be called Valliant Warrior if it was all physical stuff or Magnificent Mage for magicka

thats a good point, BUT, the point of the thread is that weapon damage/spell resist is good for a stamina build, but a magica build only can use the spell resist= not balanced
suggestion, make balanced for stam and magica, not balanced for flavor

@dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO Magicka templars have an entire tree (dawns wrath) that is inaccessible to Stamina templars save for 1 passive.

Why are you calling for the one advantage Stamina templars have to be balanced for Magicka? Are you also suggesting that dawns wrath / healing skills be balanced with stamina morphs? Otherwise this sounds like a very selfish request.

Yet it won't affect stamina templars at all, sorc got the same thing happen to them. Stop acting like a change like this is detrimental to a stamplar.

Dagoth_Rac · February 2016

Templar already have a spell power buff passive. Illuminate gives you +5% spell damage for 20 seconds whenever you use a Dawn's Wrath ability. Thus:

Aedric Spear skill line:
Balanced Warrior = Weapon Damage buff (passive skill)
Biting Jabs = Weapon Critical buff (active skill)

Dawn's Wrath skill line:
Illuminate = Spell Damage buff (passive skill)
Sun Fire = Spell Critical buff (active skill)

People are getting wrapped up in that word "Balanced". No one ever complains about Illuminate only giving Spell Damage and it is probably simply because of the passive name. The magicka build versus stamina build passives for the class are actually pretty well done. Both stamina and magicka DPS are similar (i.e., good but not great).