Group Finder....

Miszou · February 2016

I've been queuing all night for a vet mode dungeon and the group finder INSISTS on putting me in a normal mode group.

Fine. The first time I felt bad for leaving, so I spent an hour of my time helping some squishies through the normal mode. IDGAF. It's a game, it's all good. We did it.

But now I've ran out of time to do the vet pledge that I needed, because the group finder keeps putting me in normal mode groups. I've just tried it 3 times in a row, relogging in between, and it STILL put me in a normal group.

So firstly, I apologize to the three groups whose tank just quit before the dungeon started, but if you want to get mad, please direct your anger at the game, which is clearly broken.

Secondly, no-one cares to listen to a tank spamming zone chat 5 minutes before the next pledge comes up, so I've completely missed it now.

Thirdly, I really, really try to use this group tool to help people. I like tanking and people need tanks. But please, for my sanity, can you at least ensure that it queues me for the things I actually ask for?

FFS.

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2016

I am only level 41 and this whole time they keep putting my groups in Vet 16 crap. And we never finish them ever. This is literally game breaking to me and losing interest in the game cause of this. Had no desire today to even log in cause i cant do the content in the game i am paying for.

Miszou · February 2016

*** *** thing just did it again.

Sorry about that, whoever was in that group.

AzraelKrieg · February 2016

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am only level 41 and this whole time they keep putting my groups in Vet 16 crap. And we never finish them ever. This is literally game breaking to me and losing interest in the game cause of this. Had no desire today to even log in cause i cant do the content in the game i am paying for.

That is working as intended. All groups formed through the group finder are scaled up to vet16 so even if you aren't vet16 your resource pools, regen, weapon and spell damage would be scaled up to that so you can complete it.

Miszou wrote: »

I've been queuing all night for a vet mode dungeon and the group finder INSISTS on putting me in a normal mode group.

Fine. The first time I felt bad for leaving, so I spent an hour of my time helping some squishies through the normal mode. IDGAF. It's a game, it's all good. We did it.

But now I've ran out of time to do the vet pledge that I needed, because the group finder keeps putting me in normal mode groups. I've just tried it 3 times in a row, relogging in between, and it STILL put me in a normal group.

So firstly, I apologize to the three groups whose tank just quit before the dungeon started, but if you want to get mad, please direct your anger at the game, which is clearly broken.

Secondly, no-one cares to listen to a tank spamming zone chat 5 minutes before the next pledge comes up, so I've completely missed it now.

Thirdly, I really, really try to use this group tool to help people. I like tanking and people need tanks. But please, for my sanity, can you at least ensure that it queues me for the things I actually ask for?

FFS.

Some times the group UI is buggy and will say Normal for some people until they port into the dungeon.

Miszou · February 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am only level 41 and this whole time they keep putting my groups in Vet 16 crap. And we never finish them ever. This is literally game breaking to me and losing interest in the game cause of this. Had no desire today to even log in cause i cant do the content in the game i am paying for.

That is working as intended. All groups formed through the group finder are scaled up to vet16 so even if you aren't vet16 your resource pools, regen, weapon and spell damage would be scaled up to that so you can complete it.

Miszou wrote: »

I've been queuing all night for a vet mode dungeon and the group finder INSISTS on putting me in a normal mode group.

Fine. The first time I felt bad for leaving, so I spent an hour of my time helping some squishies through the normal mode. IDGAF. It's a game, it's all good. We did it.

But now I've ran out of time to do the vet pledge that I needed, because the group finder keeps putting me in normal mode groups. I've just tried it 3 times in a row, relogging in between, and it STILL put me in a normal group.

So firstly, I apologize to the three groups whose tank just quit before the dungeon started, but if you want to get mad, please direct your anger at the game, which is clearly broken.

Secondly, no-one cares to listen to a tank spamming zone chat 5 minutes before the next pledge comes up, so I've completely missed it now.

Thirdly, I really, really try to use this group tool to help people. I like tanking and people need tanks. But please, for my sanity, can you at least ensure that it queues me for the things I actually ask for?

FFS.

Some times the group UI is buggy and will say Normal for some people until they port into the dungeon.

No, it's broken.

When everyone else in the group is lvl 20-30 and I specifically queued for a VET dungeon - it's broken.

AzraelKrieg · February 2016

Miszou wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am only level 41 and this whole time they keep putting my groups in Vet 16 crap. And we never finish them ever. This is literally game breaking to me and losing interest in the game cause of this. Had no desire today to even log in cause i cant do the content in the game i am paying for.

That is working as intended. All groups formed through the group finder are scaled up to vet16 so even if you aren't vet16 your resource pools, regen, weapon and spell damage would be scaled up to that so you can complete it.

Miszou wrote: »

I've been queuing all night for a vet mode dungeon and the group finder INSISTS on putting me in a normal mode group.

Fine. The first time I felt bad for leaving, so I spent an hour of my time helping some squishies through the normal mode. IDGAF. It's a game, it's all good. We did it.

But now I've ran out of time to do the vet pledge that I needed, because the group finder keeps putting me in normal mode groups. I've just tried it 3 times in a row, relogging in between, and it STILL put me in a normal group.

So firstly, I apologize to the three groups whose tank just quit before the dungeon started, but if you want to get mad, please direct your anger at the game, which is clearly broken.

Secondly, no-one cares to listen to a tank spamming zone chat 5 minutes before the next pledge comes up, so I've completely missed it now.

Thirdly, I really, really try to use this group tool to help people. I like tanking and people need tanks. But please, for my sanity, can you at least ensure that it queues me for the things I actually ask for?

FFS.

Some times the group UI is buggy and will say Normal for some people until they port into the dungeon.

No, it's broken.

When everyone else in the group is lvl 20-30 and I specifically queued for a VET dungeon - it's broken.

Apart from the odd UI bug I haven't had any issues with the group finder outside of an extremely long wait time since I often play as a DPS

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am only level 41 and this whole time they keep putting my groups in Vet 16 crap. And we never finish them ever. This is literally game breaking to me and losing interest in the game cause of this. Had no desire today to even log in cause i cant do the content in the game i am paying for.

That is working as intended. All groups formed through the group finder are scaled up to vet16 so even if you aren't vet16 your resource pools, regen, weapon and spell damage would be scaled up to that so you can complete it.

Miszou wrote: »

I've been queuing all night for a vet mode dungeon and the group finder INSISTS on putting me in a normal mode group.

Fine. The first time I felt bad for leaving, so I spent an hour of my time helping some squishies through the normal mode. IDGAF. It's a game, it's all good. We did it.

But now I've ran out of time to do the vet pledge that I needed, because the group finder keeps putting me in normal mode groups. I've just tried it 3 times in a row, relogging in between, and it STILL put me in a normal group.

So firstly, I apologize to the three groups whose tank just quit before the dungeon started, but if you want to get mad, please direct your anger at the game, which is clearly broken.

Secondly, no-one cares to listen to a tank spamming zone chat 5 minutes before the next pledge comes up, so I've completely missed it now.

Thirdly, I really, really try to use this group tool to help people. I like tanking and people need tanks. But please, for my sanity, can you at least ensure that it queues me for the things I actually ask for?

FFS.

Some times the group UI is buggy and will say Normal for some people until they port into the dungeon.

Scaling is not the same is vet 16. I dont have a;l my abilities, i dont have my morphs, i dont have my passives, i am using crap green gear, my jewelry arent sets. Its far from being vet 16 when you dont have some of your abilities and 80% of your passives yet.

AzraelKrieg · February 2016

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am only level 41 and this whole time they keep putting my groups in Vet 16 crap. And we never finish them ever. This is literally game breaking to me and losing interest in the game cause of this. Had no desire today to even log in cause i cant do the content in the game i am paying for.

That is working as intended. All groups formed through the group finder are scaled up to vet16 so even if you aren't vet16 your resource pools, regen, weapon and spell damage would be scaled up to that so you can complete it.

Miszou wrote: »

I've been queuing all night for a vet mode dungeon and the group finder INSISTS on putting me in a normal mode group.

Fine. The first time I felt bad for leaving, so I spent an hour of my time helping some squishies through the normal mode. IDGAF. It's a game, it's all good. We did it.

But now I've ran out of time to do the vet pledge that I needed, because the group finder keeps putting me in normal mode groups. I've just tried it 3 times in a row, relogging in between, and it STILL put me in a normal group.

So firstly, I apologize to the three groups whose tank just quit before the dungeon started, but if you want to get mad, please direct your anger at the game, which is clearly broken.

Secondly, no-one cares to listen to a tank spamming zone chat 5 minutes before the next pledge comes up, so I've completely missed it now.

Thirdly, I really, really try to use this group tool to help people. I like tanking and people need tanks. But please, for my sanity, can you at least ensure that it queues me for the things I actually ask for?

FFS.

Some times the group UI is buggy and will say Normal for some people until they port into the dungeon.

Scaling is not the same is vet 16. I dont have a;l my abilities, i dont have my morphs, i dont have my passives, i am using crap green gear, my jewelry arent sets. Its far from being vet 16 when you dont have some of your abilities and 80% of your passives yet.

You'll just have to deal with it. ZOS have said this is intended as the group finder can take anybody at any level that is searching for a group through it. If a vet16 is looking for a normal pledge group and gets grouped up with a level 25, a level 23 and a level 30, why should they have to do a dungeon that is scaled to the lowest level? It wouldn't help the rest of the group at all as the vet16 would kill most enemies resulting in no XP for anyone else.

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

I am only level 41 and this whole time they keep putting my groups in Vet 16 crap. And we never finish them ever. This is literally game breaking to me and losing interest in the game cause of this. Had no desire today to even log in cause i cant do the content in the game i am paying for.

That is working as intended. All groups formed through the group finder are scaled up to vet16 so even if you aren't vet16 your resource pools, regen, weapon and spell damage would be scaled up to that so you can complete it.

Miszou wrote: »

I've been queuing all night for a vet mode dungeon and the group finder INSISTS on putting me in a normal mode group.

Fine. The first time I felt bad for leaving, so I spent an hour of my time helping some squishies through the normal mode. IDGAF. It's a game, it's all good. We did it.

But now I've ran out of time to do the vet pledge that I needed, because the group finder keeps putting me in normal mode groups. I've just tried it 3 times in a row, relogging in between, and it STILL put me in a normal group.

So firstly, I apologize to the three groups whose tank just quit before the dungeon started, but if you want to get mad, please direct your anger at the game, which is clearly broken.

Secondly, no-one cares to listen to a tank spamming zone chat 5 minutes before the next pledge comes up, so I've completely missed it now.

Thirdly, I really, really try to use this group tool to help people. I like tanking and people need tanks. But please, for my sanity, can you at least ensure that it queues me for the things I actually ask for?

FFS.

Some times the group UI is buggy and will say Normal for some people until they port into the dungeon.

Scaling is not the same is vet 16. I dont have a;l my abilities, i dont have my morphs, i dont have my passives, i am using crap green gear, my jewelry arent sets. Its far from being vet 16 when you dont have some of your abilities and 80% of your passives yet.

You'll just have to deal with it. ZOS have said this is intended as the group finder can take anybody at any level that is searching for a group through it. If a vet16 is looking for a normal pledge group and gets grouped up with a level 25, a level 23 and a level 30, why should they have to do a dungeon that is scaled to the lowest level? It wouldn't help the rest of the group at all as the vet16 would kill most enemies resulting in no XP for anyone else.

Well i have completed 1 run in over 15 runs now because of this. So yeah it is game breaking. I can go in alone and it will scale to my level so i may try and solo them. I am on PS4 and lets just say my groups havent been the best, And trust me i agree with you, we should be able to do the vet 16 scaled version but that is only if people understand the game mechanics and MMO mechanics but a lot of people come from ES games and dont understand it especially on console because MMOs have been made for PC for many years. I have played MMOs on PC for over a decade and even ESO PC launch.

CaptainBeerDude · February 2016

Did you change the tab to veteran? If you don't it will queue you for normal dungeons.

Sausage · February 2016

I think players should be able to queue from inside the Cyrodil. That should help with the queue times vastly. Also Ive been thinking what if we were able to queue with all our chars at once. Ive tank alt, I wish I'd queue with him when Im playing my NB.

Cherryblossom · February 2016

Group finder one day might be fixed, it's taken them 2 years to get it working this bad!

I joined a group for Banished Cells and it teleported me to Fungal Grotto! When I traveled to them and one of them died they rez'd in Fungal Grotto. Got to love ZOS programming skills.

Pheefs · February 2016

As frustrating as this is to hear, for your pledge you are probably better off forming up the group first for that purpose...
from your friends or a guild or the old stand-by of zone chat.

if you are using the finder when you are in a more "come what may" frame of mind, its better & more fun.

failkiwib16_ESO · February 2016

@flguy147ub17_ESO join pve guilds for that purpose, and do them with friends and guildies. Basically group up manually and never use the grouping tool. Battlescaling doesn't count in the lack of passives, aoe skills etc.

It's sad really, because lower levels could benefit more from grouping tool than v16's who already have a well established social network, and just use it for daily pledges they have already done 100 times over

CaptainBeerDude · February 2016

I don't understand how it doesn't work for you all. It works fine for me every time. Just takes longer if you're a DPS.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

You're not using it correctly.
The way you're using it, will place you into a normal dungeon group. If you want vet only, then
-choose your role
-change from normal to vet (do not select the vet dungeon yet)

If you don't change the drop down from normal to vet, then it's you who is choosing all normal dungeons and not the game. It's not bugged, you're just not using it correctly

Sorry if this is rude but I see this post over and over and continues to blame the game but it's not the game that's choosing normal over vet. The dungeon name that says vet does not put you in a vet dungeon if you don't first select vet mode over normal.

Miszou · February 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're not using it correctly.
The way you're using it, will place you into a normal dungeon group. If you want vet only, then
-choose your role
-change from normal to vet (do not select the vet dungeon yet)

If you don't change the drop down from normal to vet, then it's you who is choosing all normal dungeons and not the game. It's not bugged, you're just not using it correctly

Sorry if this is rude but I see this post over and over and continues to blame the game but it's not the game that's choosing normal over vet. The dungeon name that says vet does not put you in a vet dungeon if you don't first select vet mode over normal.

well, *** me. You're absolutely right!

One would think that changing the icon at the top to "veteran mode" would have some kind of effect on the dungeon you're queuing for, but apparently it's only there to confuse people.

ZOS needs to take their UI "designer" out back and give them a good stern talking to. With a clue-bat.

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@flguy147ub17_ESO join pve guilds for that purpose, and do them with friends and guildies. Basically group up manually and never use the grouping tool. Battlescaling doesn't count in the lack of passives, aoe skills etc.

It's sad really, because lower levels could benefit more from grouping tool than v16's who already have a well established social network, and just use it for daily pledges they have already done 100 times over

Consoles are really hard for grouping manually cause there is no text chat, I have played ESO on PC and it was 100 times easier to group and i never ever missed one dungeon leveling up. It is what it is but its just frustrating and that is why i may give it a shot soloing, but being my first character i dont have the mats and stuff for good gear or the money to buy it or good jewelry due to spending every dime i have on bank and bag space.

vamp_emily · February 2016

How do you know if you are on Normal or Vet mode.

I tried the group finder tool a few days ago and completed a dungeon. We had a blast so we decided to do another dungeon. One person left, so we waited for another to join.

Once we got 4 members, we started the next dungeon and died at the first fight. We died so many times and decided to give up.

I'm not sure if something happened when one person left and the other person joined, but it went from total fun to disaster in a blink of an eye.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

Miszou wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're not using it correctly.
The way you're using it, will place you into a normal dungeon group. If you want vet only, then
-choose your role
-change from normal to vet (do not select the vet dungeon yet)

If you don't change the drop down from normal to vet, then it's you who is choosing all normal dungeons and not the game. It's not bugged, you're just not using it correctly

Sorry if this is rude but I see this post over and over and continues to blame the game but it's not the game that's choosing normal over vet. The dungeon name that says vet does not put you in a vet dungeon if you don't first select vet mode over normal.

well, *** me. You're absolutely right!

One would think that changing the icon at the top to "veteran mode" would have some kind of effect on the dungeon you're queuing for, but apparently it's only there to confuse people.

ZOS needs to take their UI "designer" out back and give them a good stern talking to. With a clue-bat.

I've been suggesting they completely remove some things for months....it falls on death ears...since this was added on PTS loooong ago. Its not your fault that the UI doesn't even make sense and requires instructions....

Maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_KaiSchober will take another look because all that should be on there are:

Role:
Difficulty type:
Any, or specific dungeon (remove the Vet stuff because its not a real selection)
-enter queue-

Thats it.

Miszou · February 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're not using it correctly.
The way you're using it, will place you into a normal dungeon group. If you want vet only, then
-choose your role
-change from normal to vet (do not select the vet dungeon yet)

If you don't change the drop down from normal to vet, then it's you who is choosing all normal dungeons and not the game. It's not bugged, you're just not using it correctly

Sorry if this is rude but I see this post over and over and continues to blame the game but it's not the game that's choosing normal over vet. The dungeon name that says vet does not put you in a vet dungeon if you don't first select vet mode over normal.

well, *** me. You're absolutely right!

One would think that changing the icon at the top to "veteran mode" would have some kind of effect on the dungeon you're queuing for, but apparently it's only there to confuse people.

ZOS needs to take their UI "designer" out back and give them a good stern talking to. With a clue-bat.

I've been suggesting they completely remove some things for months....it falls on death ears...since this was added on PTS loooong ago. Its not your fault that the UI doesn't even make sense and requires instructions....

Maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_KaiSchober will take another look because all that should be on there are:

Role:
Difficulty type:
Any, or specific dungeon (remove the Vet stuff because its not a real selection)
-enter queue-

Thats it.

Yeah. And it's weird because I'm not a noob or anything - I've been playing for months and using the group finder almost daily.

I knew the dungeons were listed twice in the drop-down, because I've successfully queued for vet dungeons before.

The group finder is a travesty of UI design. In fact, I just showed it to our UI designer at work, and he just about spit coffee all over the screen. Having the vet mode dungeons in the list alongside the normal dungeons, while providing a functionally useless toggle at the top... it's just bizarre.

However, I still stand by by original assertion that the group finder is broken. It's just the design that is broken, not the functionality - because it was working exactly as I asked it to...

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

Miszou wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You're not using it correctly.
The way you're using it, will place you into a normal dungeon group. If you want vet only, then
-choose your role
-change from normal to vet (do not select the vet dungeon yet)

If you don't change the drop down from normal to vet, then it's you who is choosing all normal dungeons and not the game. It's not bugged, you're just not using it correctly

Sorry if this is rude but I see this post over and over and continues to blame the game but it's not the game that's choosing normal over vet. The dungeon name that says vet does not put you in a vet dungeon if you don't first select vet mode over normal.

well, *** me. You're absolutely right!

One would think that changing the icon at the top to "veteran mode" would have some kind of effect on the dungeon you're queuing for, but apparently it's only there to confuse people.

ZOS needs to take their UI "designer" out back and give them a good stern talking to. With a clue-bat.

I've been suggesting they completely remove some things for months....it falls on death ears...since this was added on PTS loooong ago. Its not your fault that the UI doesn't even make sense and requires instructions....

Maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_KaiSchober will take another look because all that should be on there are:

Role:
Difficulty type:
Any, or specific dungeon (remove the Vet stuff because its not a real selection)
-enter queue-

Thats it.

Yeah. And it's weird because I'm not a noob or anything - I've been playing for months and using the group finder almost daily.

I knew the dungeons were listed twice in the drop-down, because I've successfully queued for vet dungeons before.

The group finder is a travesty of UI design. In fact, I just showed it to our UI designer at work, and he just about spit coffee all over the screen. Having the vet mode dungeons in the list alongside the normal dungeons, while providing a functionally useless toggle at the top... it's just bizarre.

However, I still stand by by original assertion that the group finder is broken. It's just the design that is broken, not the functionality - because it was working exactly as I asked it to...

I began noticing ppls frustrations on these forums after hearing ppl I meet in the game for...hmmm almost 5 months + now.

Its really sad that they have a specific focus on LFG tools but even with updates, the UI doesn't allow anyone, new or old to make meaningful selections.

wolfydog · February 2016

The group finder is a massive fail really at least for low level players. Never really had to use for higher level since theres always people making groups in zone chat at the undaunted enclave zones.

Scaling noobs up to Vet 16 just isn't working good.. I have been playing since beta, I know what I'm doing and my noobs are kinda twinked out with good sets and blue gear and 300+ champ points at the moment. But these vet 16 upscales are just to hard. Especially when your with real noobs, to the game, they are just way to hard for them. The dungeons are just not a learning experience at all. I don't know if scaling non vet players maybe just up to level 49 would be a better solution, but damn these mobs are just have way to many hitpoints and they hit to hard for noobs to take. I've never beaten a group dungeon scaled up to V16 on a non vet character using the group finder at the lower levels like pre 40.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

wolfydog wrote: »

The group finder is a massive fail really at least for low level players. Never really had to use for higher level since theres always people making groups in zone chat at the undaunted enclave zones.

Scaling noobs up to Vet 16 just isn't working good.. I have been playing since beta, I know what I'm doing and my noobs are kinda twinked out with good sets and blue gear and 300+ champ points at the moment. But these vet 16 upscales are just to hard. Especially when your with real noobs, to the game, they are just way to hard for them. The dungeons are just not a learning experience at all. I don't know if scaling non vet players maybe just up to level 49 would be a better solution, but damn these mobs are just have way to many hitpoints and they hit to hard for noobs to take. I've never beaten a group dungeon scaled up to V16 on a non vet character using the group finder at the lower levels like pre 40.

I will say....ok...

The scaling was a...we can't fix the tool so we will just entirely eliminate player levels. Now its one less factor - cool

Knowing the skill and stat points will be moved within level 1-50 also seems to off set some of what you describe BUT they didn't remove VR yet so...I completely agree that until this happens, its hard for a non Vet to fully participate

After the change...I predict more issues because even if you are level 50...your skills/morphs and passives wont all belevel 50 + IV

I think ZOS has a real issue that they do not have solutions for right now. The incentives coming next week, will only further frustrate many players new and old.

I do not see the light at the end of this tunnel and I fear ZOS had a cave-in and lost some good folks along the way.

Lithium Flower · February 2016

It's not my intention to discourage anyone from doing dungeons at all but something a lot of new players tend to overlook is this:

Solo quest content and related overland mobs are the easiest encounters designed to get you acquainted with basic combat principles. Solo Dungeons, and delves (those caves with a torchlight symbol you find in the wilderness now and then) are slightly more of a challenging. Public Dungeons (there's only one in every zone and it's marked with a cave entrance) are harder still, designed for a bunch of players to coordinate on an adhoc basis. Dolmens and world bosses are similarly slightly more difficult than regular overland encounters and you're supposed to do them with a bunch of others unless you're well-versed with mechanics.

All of this content is however meant to be completed by a single player of low to moderate skill carrying little or no optimised gear and still learning and getting the hang of the game.

Now enter Group Dungeons also known as Pledge Dungeons or Undaunted Dungeons which also includes the trials. This is effectively end-game stuff. There was a time when Banished Cells (normal) or Fungal Grotto or Splindleclutch were introductions to this type of content and aimed at low level players but that was quickly scrapped in favour of the Pledge of the Day format. The dungeons were upgraded and end-game loot tables were added. You can find the legacy of the old system in the fact that some of the dungeons are a bit easier, others are harder but nevertheless these Group Dungeons are NOT learning environments.

If you go there without having a firm grip on basic combat mechanics, role appropriate gear, adopting a trinity role in the context of the basic 4 person group (2 DDs, 1 Healer, 1 Tank) and familiarity with game mechanics, you will have a difficult time. This is working as intended.

Being scaled up to v16, choosing normal over vet gives you a little control over the difficulty but doesn't change the fact that group dungeons are a test of your abilities. You're supposed to take all you've learned from the other activities and prove your mettle in a much harder tier of challenge.

If you're having trouble with group dungeons, here's a handy checklist to troubleshoot:

1. Level? Frankly, I wouldn't bother with group dungeons until you're at least veteran rank 1 but the lower your level, the less skills and passives and experience you have so you'll have a more difficult time. Level up a bit more, then try again.

2. Gear? You don't need legendary best-in-slot gear but it should be nominally role appropriate. 5 or more pieces of the right armour for your role with the passives. Level appropriate weapons and some kind of jewelry. You should have basic enchantments on every piece.

3. Skills? At least enough of the right type of skills to fill your 12 slots and a good idea of when and how to use them according to the role you've adopted. If you're trying to heal and all you have is Regeneration, you're going to be in trouble.

4. General Experience? Do you know how to block, bash, avoid hard hitting telegraphs. When to AoE, when to single target, when to heal, when and what to taunt, are you familiar with boss/dungeon mechanics?

5. Groupmates? They need to be familiar as well. You can be a great player but even one guy who doesn't know what he's doing can bring down the whole group. I was once in a Banished Cell pledge instance. Three of us belonged to one of the best PvE guilds on the EU server. We had a laundry list of achievements. We had done vet BC hundreds of times before. The fourth player was new and not very good. For one hour we tried to finish the gold pledge and finally quit in vain.

Garldeen · February 2016

wolfydog wrote: »

The group finder is a massive fail really at least for low level players. Never really had to use for higher level since theres always people making groups in zone chat at the undaunted enclave zones.

Scaling noobs up to Vet 16 just isn't working good.. I have been playing since beta, I know what I'm doing and my noobs are kinda twinked out with good sets and blue gear and 300+ champ points at the moment. But these vet 16 upscales are just to hard. Especially when your with real noobs, to the game, they are just way to hard for them. The dungeons are just not a learning experience at all. I don't know if scaling non vet players maybe just up to level 49 would be a better solution, but damn these mobs are just have way to many hitpoints and they hit to hard for noobs to take. I've never beaten a group dungeon scaled up to V16 on a non vet character using the group finder at the lower levels like pre 40.

Agree fully. I'm only level 30, but I have a 0% completion rate with GF - never even got past the first boss. However with groups formed through the chat, about 12 of them (I like to redo them) I have 100% completion rate and about 7 deaths. The scaling has made the GF unusable at my level.

j3crow · February 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@flguy147ub17_ESO join pve guilds for that purpose, and do them with friends and guildies. Basically group up manually and never use the grouping tool. Battlescaling doesn't count in the lack of passives, aoe skills etc.

It's sad really, because lower levels could benefit more from grouping tool than v16's who already have a well established social network, and just use it for daily pledges they have already done 100 times over

This exactly

The finder is only useful for my vet characters, who will scale reasonably for the dungeon, or who are already V16

The dungeons do a poor job of scaling lower level characters. At this point, I either try and spam-form a group for my low level characters, or just accept the fact that the finder is end-game only.

ZOS needs to work on scaling, or add a feature for sub-vet only which will fill the dungeons at their normal level with players that are in that level range

CaptainBeerDude · February 2016

Who are you all finding with the LFG tool? Normal dungeons aren't bad scaled to V16. I've completed most of them with it, even when all of my team mates are low lvls. Just taunt the heavy stuff away from the squishies and hope they know enough to rez if someone goes down. Vet dungeons aren't so easy with LFG because you play with lots of non-optimised builds. (Like mine)

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2016

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Who are you all finding with the LFG tool? Normal dungeons aren't bad scaled to V16. I've completed most of them with it, even when all of my team mates are low lvls. Just taunt the heavy stuff away from the squishies and hope they know enough to rez if someone goes down. Vet dungeons aren't so easy with LFG because you play with lots of non-optimised builds. (Like mine)

Grouped with a Guy the other day, Who was telling me about his build, He was like i am an Orc and Orcs are all about heavy armor because of the blacksmithing passive. So he was an Orc wearing 7 heavy armor pieces but was a magicka build using ransack as his main dps ability and was bragging about the amount of dps that his ransack does. Oh yeah and another guy was our Tank and he was DPS.

CaptainBeerDude · February 2016

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Who are you all finding with the LFG tool? Normal dungeons aren't bad scaled to V16. I've completed most of them with it, even when all of my team mates are low lvls. Just taunt the heavy stuff away from the squishies and hope they know enough to rez if someone goes down. Vet dungeons aren't so easy with LFG because you play with lots of non-optimised builds. (Like mine)

Grouped with a Guy the other day, Who was telling me about his build, He was like i am an Orc and Orcs are all about heavy armor because of the blacksmithing passive. So he was an Orc wearing 7 heavy armor pieces but was a magicka build using ransack as his main dps ability and was bragging about the amount of dps that his ransack does. Oh yeah and another guy was our Tank and he was DPS.

LOL. Tgat just adds an extra challenge to the dungeon. I thought everyone was complaining that PVE was too easy.