Bolt Escape still too cheap?

TheBull · September 2014

All instant cast skills, best mobility, awesome shield, all while holding block and never running out of magicka.

Sorcerers are so bad, the make DKs look ok..

Ryzium · September 2014

kitsinni wrote: »

SweetRollBandit wrote: »

Lets be honest bolt escape is pretty much all Sorc builds have in a way of defense. Low armor and time consuming stuns aren't really fit for battling 7-8 enemies in pvp.

Don't see a problem with someone using it to their full capabilities so they don't get slaughtered all the time.

Sorcs can have capped armor and spell resist in light armor .... Armor itself isn't a class skill but you picked the one class with the best armor buffs in the game to say it doesn't have armor .. sorry no go.

Anyone can have capped armor and spell resist in light armor, its called armor enchantments.

Ryzium · September 2014

Sheaden wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Seriously dude, the caps got raised for everyone not just for this guy. You too can use this to get more stam to block more damage, or to sneak and run longer. Or get more health or magicka or whatever you like to get a better build.

Next time you're with 6 or 7 other people, make sure you choose some that can ride a horse, use bolt escape, effectively stun or chain pull people. Yes, this is actually a thing, you can chain pull a streaking sorc. and if the sorc is able to escape 7 angry people, then he is obviously a good sorc. i'm sure you'll find other enemies out there that are willing to die.

Seriously dude, chain doesn't work but about half the time and costs more than bolt escape.

Any sorc can build for this and do the exact same thing this sorc did to that group in the games current state. That hardly qualifies this individual being an amazing player. Like a true defender of broken easily exploitable mechanics... you don't offer up any potential tweaks or changes... you just jealously defend your broken mechanics till the bitter end.

Since you obviously can't think of a way to catch this sorc I'll tell you one, a charge move. You close the gap, they BE and then you close the gap again. If someone's build let's them get away from you and it bothers you so much change your build to hunt the down don't complain that it is OP broken and exploited. They shouldn't have even increased the cos, just made the ultimate gain cap at a fixed amount regardless of the people hit. You will always be able to escape with bolt ESACPE

Luvsfuzzybunnies · September 2014

On a side not I feel like a god on m

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sheaden wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys do realize that bolt escape got nerfed right? HARD. All of your complaining and crying were warranted pre-nerf. You can't just bolt around all willy nilly anymore.

I am the proud player of a vr12 sorc and I can tell you your idea of nerf ed hard and mine differ immensely. I can easily bolt 8 times then dark exchange and go 5 more. No big deal skill is fine. Not to mention having enough Magicka Regen to cast every 2-3 seconds while in combat. That's with the increased cost. Let's throw on my harness Magicka and it's every second I can bolt while in combat effectively stopping damage from.happening to me. I guess a nerf to this might make me use other abilities or think about my hanks a bit more but I quite like being an unstoppable menace.

Thanks for explaining how that level of Bolt Escape mastery can be achieved Fuzzy!

@MADshadowman‌ - Here is a VR12 Sorc describing how it's possible to cast it so many times.

So it's Bolt Escape - Dark Exchange - Harness Magicka with increased caps for max health/magicka and regen caps. Not to mention if the player was using consumables. When you add it all together ... it IS possible to cast this FAR more than the 5-6 times most sorcs have cried about in this thread.

All of the sorcs saying that you can't cast it more than 5-6 times, you need to take lessons from @Luvsfuzzybunnies‌. He obviously knows how it's done.

Don`t let this fuzzybunny guy fool you, he was hating on sorcerer`s bolt escape for pages and pages since day one of the game (yeah, right, he is hating on that spell since 5 months). Just check his post history in case you don`t believe me. He`s just a hurt NB who can`t play his class properly who does now try to play part time what he considers op.

There is no "unstoppable menace" known as "Kitten Kisser" on Chillrend. And I know pretty much every single good sorc on EU Chill. So if he would be such an unstoppably good mage due to his bolt escaping fantasies, people wouldve recognized him. No good sorc would ever try to bolt escape more than 3 times in a row, ever. He talked about magicka regen when bolting 8 times, but magicka regen is off when chaining bolts, whats the point?

His claims are just an empty try to make a "legit" point. Any sorcerer who would do what he claims doing all the time, would leave the sorcerer with exactly zero magicka to fight, every single engagement.

I have 2440 Magicka and I can`t bolt 8 times, I can bolt seven times. I can do that when i have a full magicka bar means i havent participated in a fight, after those casts my mana will be empty. Why on earth would I bolt seven times in a row, when I haven`t even tried to fight? What sane person would stop his mana regen for the span of his entire magicka bar to bolt seven times in a row? And finally not being able to fight, despite dark exchange, because without stamina a single cc will kill you.

In the meanwhile, templars are chainspam casting 18+ times blazing shield in a row and tank entire zergs without breaking into sweat...

I'm sorry you misunderstand my post. Let me clear it up for you. I do not streak that many times to engage a fight but when things go wrong I have the option to do this. Yes I have a clearly defined opinion that the ability is over powered. I have never hidden that opinion. I know it doesn't match you opinion which again in my opinion is a way to try and keep the class you play better than the rest which I don't blame you for. I simply have stated my personal experiences with the ability into a sounding board to be heard by the powers that be who do balancing to see if that was their intentions. I play the class and would like it to be a challenge to kill others or get away not a 1 button solution. Why should I on my sorc press 1 button and escape when on any other class I play have to use multiple skills to have the same chance of survival. Unless the game doesn't need balance or I missed the part where sorcs are supposed to be the only class to not be balanced.

Mendoze · September 2014

Sheaden wrote: »

Cyberdown wrote: »

so someone escaped pvp from you...get over it.

Obviously reading comprehension wasn't a strong point for you in school. I watched him escape from an ENTIRE GROUP (about 6-7 people) that pursued him for about 15 minutes.

Haha, so somebody followed a bolt escaping sorcerer for 15 minutes, and even with the help of 6 other players and horses couldn't catch him/her. Also at the same time the poor guy their ganking group was following missed all the keeps and outposts around Cyrodiil to find safety, and never managed to get out of line of sight to sneak. You really should have posted a video of your group, preferably with TS audio...I really love those comedy films.

Come on, seriously, lying is a bad habit and if you keep on telling those lies, sooner or later you start believing in those lies yourself too.

granty2008cyb16_ESO · September 2014

MADshadowman wrote: »

Seriously dude, if someone has managed to get a build with a decent amount of magicka, which is required for 7-8 streaks, then please let him do what he wants to do. this is how the game mechanic works. maybe he had the warlock set which would allow him to do 2 more streaks than usual. don't you have skills that you can use 7-8 times in a row?

always the bitching about people with decent builds....

agree:-)

philip.ploegerb16_ESO · September 2014

3 bolt escapes are already enough to put so much distance between the sorc and his opponent, that the opponent is out-ranged. What are you discussing about 7-8 streaks, streak being spammable at all is already the problem.

JapanesePlayer · February 2016

@Sheaden
thanks OP, now bolt escape nerfed to the ground

DannyLV702 · February 2016

Lol

olsborg · February 2016

Never run out of magicka? ....what game are you playing?

Sharee · February 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Never run out of magicka? ....what game are you playing?

One from august 2014.

ToRelax · February 2016

OP shieldstacking, bow dodge rolls. Fun times, and the community was just as tryhard as ever.

Dyride · February 2016

The zombie thread has risen. Time to shoot it in the head.

Humatiel · February 2016

2014...

wonder how on earth he found it.

Reevster · February 2016

ENOUGH WITH THE NERFS ALREADY! Oh wait, this is an old nerf.... who necroed this thread lol.

tennant94 · February 2016

Worst thread ever, op you have no idea what you are talking about you sound like a cry baby. You use the line 'it was nerfed in the past' to justify your nerf cry's without offering any more reasoning as to why bolt escape should be nerfed and FYI the only reason it was nerfed in the first place was to keep filthy casuals like yourself playing, and paying.

Cathexis · February 2016

Xeven · February 2016

Posting in necrod nerf sorc thread.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

I'd say the problem with it now its just stunlocking people because the disorient isn't causing CC immunity nor is it being prevented by it.

It doesn't cost enough magicka because of light armor and certain sets that give back magicka, which almost every wizard type goes for anyways.

I wish that was true. Are you sure you're mistaking soft CC for hard CC?

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Armitas wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

you can use it to escape from dangerous situations, but after 4-5 streaks the fun is over for most of the sorcs due to limited magicka especially if you already lost a lot mag in a fight.

Just to be clear, so we are all on the same page, we are not talking about 4-5 Bolt escapes, we are talking about up to 10 consecutive bolt escapes, as reported by a sorc. He also said he could bolt 14 times in a row pre nerf.

I have over 40k magicka and I can only get about 7 BE outside of combat. This 10 consecutive in combat is probably just an exaggeration.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Syndy wrote: »

Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »

Are you seriously complaining that the ability Bolt ESCAPE needs to be nerfed because people who use it sometimes ESCAPE?

gap closers need to be nerfed because that guy charged/teleported to me.

blocking needs to be nerfed because that guy blocked my damage.

This has got to be my favorite defense that Sorcs use to keep defend BE. It's called Bolt ESCAPE, the user should escape...

Shall we use that logic on some other abilities. How about Death Stroke from NB. It's called DEATH Stroke, so if you get hit by it you should die right? Maybe from a Stroke since it has the word Stroke in it too... So when you get hit by this NB ability, by your own logic, Your character should die from a stroke...

Tell you what, they can take away bolt escape the day they take away all other gap closers. Alternatively you could stop crying and L2P.

SupaSane · February 2016

The Sorcerers only escape. Yet NB's can go invisible for 20 minutes and be completely gone.

aLi3nZ · February 2016

Where did you come across this sourc? I did some bolt escaping on the non vet server last night. Group of 15 ad seiging a dc fort. For some odd reason we had a truce to not attack a couple ad while they were seiging and the the ad numbers got to about 15 and I was the only ep alive. I was walking amongst the ad for a while and the they started attacking me but never managed to kill me since I could bolt escape 7-8 times due to 34k Magika and 2k regen and 8% reduced cost of Magika champ points

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

SupaSane wrote: »

The Sorcerers only escape. Yet NB's can go invisible for 20 minutes and be completely gone.

Can confirm that my stamblade can cloak more than my mag sorc can streak in a 30sec timeframe..... streak is fine.

Look at it this way, if they streak 8 times and you still catch them, they are OoM completely and helpless.

Reevster · February 2016

Seriously, why are people commenting on a thread from August 2014, old old news, put this one to bed already.

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

Reevster wrote: »

Seriously, why are people commenting on a thread from August 2014, old old news, put this one to bed already.

"Don't let go Jack"

Bofrari · February 2016

Sorry to tell you this OP but this is
100% a L2P issue everytime a sorc tries this on me they fail I'm on a Stam dk 2h on 1st bar and sword n board on the back as soon as they start their streak all you do is switch to invasion and tap them with an invasion everytime they streak away they will be dead by the 4th or 5th streak every time also crit charge works as well I'm sorry but you could have 100 people chasing him trying too cc and swinging your light attacks all day long but you will fail everytime. What this does is forces a sorc into defense they have to turn and throw shields up or cc you ect but the fact is a good sorc will turn and rekt most if this is happening to them but for the ones that just streak away this will stop them everytime

revonine · February 2016

Think the real question that needs to be asked here is why did 7 people spend 15 minutes chasing one person.

EDIT: sweet jesus that thread necro. Point still stands though.

Soneca798 · February 2016

Ay ay ay... Plz stop these necromancers! I thought we didn't have a necromancer class in eso!

LizardThixvim · February 2016

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT he used the skill "Bolt ESCAPE" and escaped? ;OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WTH WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HE COULD ESCAPE DDDDDDDDDDDDDD;