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Bolt Escape still too cheap?
Sheaden
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Saw a guy today being chased by about 6 or 7 people from another faction... using bolt escape to travel. They could not pin him down long enough to kill him due to the CC immunity kicking in. I followed this and watched and it was borderline comical. I know that if you "root" a sorc they can still Bolt Escape away... but this was ridiculous how an entire group attempting to CC and root this sorc could not kill him.
This sorc looked like he was back to top form for PRE-Bolt Escape "Nerf". Now that the soft caps have been raised, and new gear combinations are available this should probably be revisited. The group never did get him down.
Anytime a class can take actions against other classes in a pvp environment without worry of any repercussions is bad for balance.
Seriously, I'm hoping to hear intelligent comments about how this can be addressed. Not "well a sorc can chase a sorc so it's not broken lol".
I'm not sure what this guys build was as far as sets etc.. but it really truly was reminiscent of BE prior to the "Nerf" that soooo many sorcs cried about. It was broken back then and it's still pretty broken evidently.. as soon as people find out this guy's build ... the majority of sorcs will likely emulate it.
This sorc looked like he was back to top form for PRE-Bolt Escape "Nerf". Now that the soft caps have been raised, and new gear combinations are available this should probably be revisited. The group never did get him down.
Anytime a class can take actions against other classes in a pvp environment without worry of any repercussions is bad for balance.
Seriously, I'm hoping to hear intelligent comments about how this can be addressed. Not "well a sorc can chase a sorc so it's not broken lol".
I'm not sure what this guys build was as far as sets etc.. but it really truly was reminiscent of BE prior to the "Nerf" that soooo many sorcs cried about. It was broken back then and it's still pretty broken evidently.. as soon as people find out this guy's build ... the majority of sorcs will likely emulate it.
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MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭Seriously dude, if someone has managed to get a build with a decent amount of magicka, which is required for 7-8 streaks, then please let him do what he wants to do. this is how the game mechanic works. maybe he had the warlock set which would allow him to do 2 more streaks than usual. don't you have skills that you can use 7-8 times in a row?
always the bitching about people with decent builds....31 -
NorthernFury✭✭✭✭You get maybe 5 or 6 BE's without using Harness Magicka, getting a surge from warlock set or some other synergy to replenish mana. The mana cost goes up when you use it more than every 4 seconds. It doesn't need a nerf at all, it's a perk to being a sorc. Just like standing there holding block and popping GDB as a DK, or spamming Blazing shield as a Temp. Every class has their perks that helps them survive.
I'm sorry you guys were frustrated that this guy used good tactics and effectively kited you.....but it shouldn't have been that difficult for 6 or 7 to either burn him or stun him long enough to burn him.
Effective use of a class specific skill does not mean class needs a nerf.
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Sheaden✭✭✭MADshadowman wrote: »Seriously dude, if someone has managed to get a build with a decent amount of magicka, which is required for 7-8 streaks, then please let him do what he wants to do. this is how the game mechanic works. maybe he had the warlock set which would allow him to do 2 more streaks than usual. don't you have skills that you can use 7-8 times in a row?
always the bitching about people with decent builds....
Seriously dude, it was nerfed for a reason. The new caps and gear sets are allowing it to be exploited very near the level it was pre-nerf.
Always the defensive comments from people trying to preserve their self-serving broken mechanics...
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using blot escape should prevent stealth for 20 seconds after use. That way, you have to actually avoid people after spamming it 15 times.Sanguine's Beta Tester11 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭Even though it frustrates the crap out of me when used as an escape, I don't mind it being used as an escape. It gets a little more annoying when used as a bolt escape in to a crowd, throw up bat swarm, bolt out over and over, but I guess that is still part of the deal. I absolutely hate the skill when it is used as "I see you running over to get that resource node let me bolt "escape" straight passed you to ninja it.0
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Cyberdown✭✭✭sacrificing one vital skill slot out of 5 to provide a decent escape mechanic?
that's how it should be maybe?
I don't use the skill, as it doesn't fit in to how I pvp or what I need but its not gamebreaking in any way.
so someone escaped pvp from you...get over it.4 -
Sheaden✭✭✭NorthernFury wrote: »Effective use of a class specific skill does not mean class needs a nerf.
It was nerfed because it was too effective before. It's still too effective when an entire group can not chase down and kill the guy because by the time the fastest pursuer gets to the sorc with some form of CC .. the sorc gets his immunity up and is out of the CC by the time the rest of party shows up to try to burn him and he's off to the races once again.
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✭✭NorthernFury wrote: »You get maybe 5 or 6 BE's without using Harness Magicka, getting a surge from warlock set or some other synergy to replenish mana. The mana cost goes up when you use it more than every 4 seconds. It doesn't need a nerf at all, it's a perk to being a sorc. Just like standing there holding block and popping GDB as a DK, or spamming Blazing shield as a Temp. Every class has their perks that helps them survive.
I'm sorry you guys were frustrated that this guy used good tactics and effectively kited you.....but it shouldn't have been that difficult for 6 or 7 to either burn him or stun him long enough to burn him.
Effective use of a class specific skill does not mean class needs a nerf.
Agree. I would love the same sort of perk for my nightblade though.nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »using blot escape should prevent stealth for 20 seconds after use. That way, you have to actually avoid people after spamming it 15 times.
That's actually not a bad idea.
Edited by eventide03b14a_ESO on August 14, 2014 6:06PM:trollin:0 -
NorthernFury✭✭✭✭NorthernFury wrote: »Effective use of a class specific skill does not mean class needs a nerf.
It was nerfed because it was too effective before. It's still too effective when an entire group can not chase down and kill the guy because by the time the fastest pursuer gets to the sorc with some form of CC .. the sorc gets his immunity up and is out of the CC by the time the rest of party shows up to try to burn him and he's off to the races once again.
Considering stealthed players with certain setups can keep up with horses now, this really doesn't hold any water. He was built to evade the people that he was evading, and they weren't built to catch him. It could have been done, and doesn't justify breaking a class-defining skill because some people didn't like it being used effectively.
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Lets be honest bolt escape is pretty much all Sorc builds have in a way of defense. Low armor and time consuming stuns aren't really fit for battling 7-8 enemies in pvp.
Don't see a problem with someone using it to their full capabilities so they don't get slaughtered all the time.8 -
Azraeel✭✭✭OMG, a group following one guy, and can't catch him? This must be the end of the world!!!!!!!!
The better question is, wtf are those people doing following one person around the map like they have nothing better to do?9 -
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MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭MADshadowman wrote: »Seriously dude, if someone has managed to get a build with a decent amount of magicka, which is required for 7-8 streaks, then please let him do what he wants to do. this is how the game mechanic works. maybe he had the warlock set which would allow him to do 2 more streaks than usual. don't you have skills that you can use 7-8 times in a row?
always the bitching about people with decent builds....
Seriously dude, it was nerfed for a reason. The new caps and gear sets are allowing it to be exploited very near the level it was pre-nerf.
Always the defensive comments from people trying to preserve their self-serving broken mechanics...
Seriously dude, the caps got raised for everyone not just for this guy. You too can use this to get more stam to block more damage, or to sneak and run longer. Or get more health or magicka or whatever you like to get a better build.
Next time you're with 6 or 7 other people, make sure you choose some that can ride a horse, use bolt escape, effectively stun or chain pull people. Yes, this is actually a thing, you can chain pull a streaking sorc. and if the sorc is able to escape 7 angry people, then he is obviously a good sorc. i'm sure you'll find other enemies out there that are willing to die.2 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭SweetRollBandit wrote: »Lets be honest bolt escape is pretty much all Sorc builds have in a way of defense. Low armor and time consuming stuns aren't really fit for battling 7-8 enemies in pvp.
Don't see a problem with someone using it to their full capabilities so they don't get slaughtered all the time.
Sorcs can have capped armor and spell resist in light armor .... Armor itself isn't a class skill but you picked the one class with the best armor buffs in the game to say it doesn't have armor .. sorry no go.3 -
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✭I've advocated a 1 sec cast time since ealy beta. I still believe that is the best way to address a lot of woes. And then remove the penalties for using it again.
Another way could be to give it an aimable reticle like grand healing and spear shards. That way it would actually take some skill to use it.
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OMG, a group following one guy, and can't catch him? This must be the end of the world!!!!!!!!
The better question is, wtf are those people doing following one person around the map like they have nothing better to do?
Most likely because their faction is bigger than the rest, typical in games like that.1 -
MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭I've advocated a 1 sec cast time since ealy beta. I still believe that is the best way to address a lot of woes. And then remove the penalties for using it again.
Another way could be to give it an aimable reticle like grand healing and spear shards. That way it would actually take some skill to use it.
So you mean every streak should take 1 second to cast? so 1 second for 4-5 meters? how about a healing skill that takes 20 seconds to cast? Does this sound like a good idea?
Honestly, you people are like the people that sue mcdonalds because they burned themselves on the coffee just because they're too stupid to know that freshly brewed coffee is hot.4 -
TRIP233✭✭✭I think it should get weaker the more it's used. They had the right idea by making it cost more. But it should cost more and get weaker. That would make it more in line with balancing issues.1 -
Sheaden✭✭✭MADshadowman wrote: »Seriously dude, the caps got raised for everyone not just for this guy. You too can use this to get more stam to block more damage, or to sneak and run longer. Or get more health or magicka or whatever you like to get a better build.
Next time you're with 6 or 7 other people, make sure you choose some that can ride a horse, use bolt escape, effectively stun or chain pull people. Yes, this is actually a thing, you can chain pull a streaking sorc. and if the sorc is able to escape 7 angry people, then he is obviously a good sorc. i'm sure you'll find other enemies out there that are willing to die.
Seriously dude, chain doesn't work but about half the time and costs more than bolt escape.
Any sorc can build for this and do the exact same thing this sorc did to that group in the games current state. That hardly qualifies this individual being an amazing player. Like a true defender of broken easily exploitable mechanics... you don't offer up any potential tweaks or changes... you just jealously defend your broken mechanics till the bitter end.
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NorthernFury✭✭✭✭MADshadowman wrote: »Seriously dude, the caps got raised for everyone not just for this guy. You too can use this to get more stam to block more damage, or to sneak and run longer. Or get more health or magicka or whatever you like to get a better build.
Next time you're with 6 or 7 other people, make sure you choose some that can ride a horse, use bolt escape, effectively stun or chain pull people. Yes, this is actually a thing, you can chain pull a streaking sorc. and if the sorc is able to escape 7 angry people, then he is obviously a good sorc. i'm sure you'll find other enemies out there that are willing to die.
Seriously dude, chain doesn't work but about half the time and costs more than bolt escape.
Any sorc can build for this and do the exact same thing this sorc did to that group in the games current state. That hardly qualifies this individual being an amazing player. Like a true defender of broken easily exploitable mechanics... you don't offer up any potential tweaks or changes... you just jealously defend your broken mechanics till the bitter end.
Actually, the fact that he was able to evade troll 6 or 7 of you for 15 mins makes him a good player. You guys being unable to figure out a way to catch him doesn't make BE a broken mechanic.
Why would someone offer up suggestions to tweak or change something they don't feel to be broken?Edited by NorthernFury on August 14, 2014 6:27PM
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Sheaden✭✭✭I think it should get weaker the more it's used. They had the right idea by making it cost more. But it should cost more and get weaker. That would make it more in line with balancing issues.
That's an interesting idea... perhaps the distance that it teleports the caster is diminished the more it is used.
Definitely a good suggestion.
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MADshadowman✭✭✭✭✭I think it should get weaker the more it's used. They had the right idea by making it cost more. But it should cost more and get weaker. That would make it more in line with balancing issues.
Yeah, it should cost more and get weaker. Oh and it should also cost money. And it should make him lose stat points everytime. And he should catch a disease and die a horrible death, alone and unloved just for using a skill. that ***!
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✭MADshadowman wrote: »I've advocated a 1 sec cast time since ealy beta. I still believe that is the best way to address a lot of woes. And then remove the penalties for using it again.
Another way could be to give it an aimable reticle like grand healing and spear shards. That way it would actually take some skill to use it.
So you mean every streak should take 1 second to cast? so 1 second for 4-5 meters? how about a healing skill that takes 20 seconds to cast? Does this sound like a good idea?
Honestly, you people are like the people that sue mcdonalds because they burned themselves on the coffee just because they're too stupid to know that freshly brewed coffee is hot.
well your post is silly, but...
the incident with the McDonald's coffee was because it was so excessively hot when the person spilled it on their lap they ended up with third degree burns.
They probably didn't need a hot coffee warning though, that was just a result of the lawsuit and McDonald's trying to cover their butts.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
Azraeel✭✭✭I don't understand why people can't figure out that each class got their own special taste. That's like putting a cooldown on Templar heals because they are too good, or cooldown on DK defenses because they are too good, or NB siphoning abilities because they are too good... Just give it up already. This skill won't break the game, it isn't like the person is soloing 10 people while using bolt!? Sorc got an escape ability, good for them. Doesn't bother me really.3
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✭✭OP suggests nerfing an already nerfed skill. He doesn't like the responses he gets so he trolls and hangs on hyperbole.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points8 -
Super_Sonico✭✭✭✭... when an entire group can not chase down and kill the guy ...
So, you're suggesting that a skill called Bolt Escape, is broken because it actually allowed the user to escape? *GASP* :O
The number of people chasing him is meaningless to the discussion.
Sounds like it's working as intended and OP is butthurt.
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