Not enough bag space even with upgradesI

LionheartRichard · February 2016

I am level 0. My bank is completely full of only "materials". I'm crafting every time my bags fill up and I have to go back to town. I have purchased the first bag and bank upgrades and can't afford any more at this point.

This is just not acceptable. There are too many ingredients in the game and not enough bag/bank space. I should not have full slots in my storage and no where to put it except to sell the mats I may need for crafting. Could we please get an infinite storage receptacle for our materials? Soooo frustrating and boring to have to go back to town after two quests to have to do inventory management. This needs to be fixed.

LionheartRichard · February 2016

Whoops I meant to say I am level 20, I am so overwhelmed by the over 100 crafting items in my bank that I am spending more time switching between bank mules than actually playing, stuff like this drives players away and over to other MMOs like GW2 that have better mechanics

Eshelmen · February 2016

You could always create a guild for just you and a few friends to share. An extra 500 slots goes a long way. There are several ways to going around this. I personally think having the extra 500 slots is plenty.

Also, upgrade your inventory! +60 is a lot!

LionheartRichard · February 2016

Wow 500 Is there a way for me to be the only member

CJohnson81 · February 2016

You should also be crafting and selling IMO. You'll earn the money you need for the space, and level your crafting. I had a severe gold shortage until I started crafting and selling... and mats aren't that typically hard to come by until you're trying to craft your vet gear.

LionheartRichard · February 2016

Where should I sell to I just sol to vendors It was only like level 10 gear though

CJohnson81 · February 2016

I was selling to vendors too. You'll get more for higher levels of course. The day I figured this all out, I spent at least an hour or two crafting all the highest level food I could make, burning through my mats until I could make no more, then just dumped it at a vendor for a few thousand gold. I hope someone jumps on if I've got it wrong for blacksmithing though. I haven't leveled that yet.

Lolssi · February 2016

It is enough. Was for me at least. I believe I had upgraded bank or bag at least few times by level 20. I'm VR2 now and all my money still goes to horse training and bag upgrades. I don't buy anything else.
Sure there comes times when you just can't pick and store everything you want. But that is part of playing rpg getting to make decisions.

Duiwel · February 2016

Actually you have 8 character slots not 1 so you have 7 chars with a minimum of 60 slots, for as little as 2400 gold on each ( 16800 gold ) you can increase that to 80 x 7 = 560 just from alts no bank and no guild bank, now add the latter and you have plenty.

Also you are able to feed your mount for a total inventory increase of 60 slots on top of the regular bag vendor.

So really you should not have a problem.

You should decon or merch 99% of the gear you pick up ( you only start picking up worth while gear at like VR1-16 anyway).

What you do with set items, superior, epic's and legendaries is up to you.
Saving everything ( especially provisioning mats ) is such a waste of bank space put that on an alt!

bryanhaas · February 2016

LionheartRichard wrote: »

Wow 500 Is there a way for me to be the only member

Make 10 alt accounts and have them all join the guild.

Unstable.Pixel · February 2016

bryanhaas wrote: »

LionheartRichard wrote: »

Wow 500 Is there a way for me to be the only member

Make 10 alt accounts and have them all join the guild.

Guilds are on the account level so technically all your alts automatically belong to any guilds you're in.

bryanhaas · February 2016

Lunch.Box wrote: »

bryanhaas wrote: »

LionheartRichard wrote: »

Wow 500 Is there a way for me to be the only member

Make 10 alt accounts and have them all join the guild.

Guilds are on the account level so technically all your alts automatically belong to any guilds you're in.

No not alt characters alt accounts

Katahdin · February 2016

bryanhaas wrote: »

Lunch.Box wrote: »

bryanhaas wrote: »

LionheartRichard wrote: »

Wow 500 Is there a way for me to be the only member

Make 10 alt accounts and have them all join the guild.

Guilds are on the account level so technically all your alts automatically belong to any guilds you're in.

No not alt characters alt accounts

Yes you need 10 accounts in one guild to unlock the guild bank. If one leaves you can get stuff out of the bank but can no longer put in until you have 10 again.

Beardimus · February 2016

Like everyone says above, join a guild, or make a solo guild using your xbox accounts etc.

So you know we've all been there. Its meant to this way, it drives you to mine gold etc and have a plan. You cant do it all at the start. Be patient. Also focus on limited crafts not all, work what mats you really need (I.e. Dont need all for writs) it will come!!

Master_Fluff · February 2016

Even a max-upgraded bank (240 item slots) can sometimes feel like too small storage. Especially when starting new characters after getting the master crafter to max level. All those runestones, herbs, waters, traitstones, ingredients, etc have a tendency to flood the bank. Having a guild bank or two

all to yourself helps a lot.

Volkodav · February 2016

LionheartRichard wrote: »

Where should I sell to I just sol to vendors It was only like level 10 gear though

Sell to the guilds you belong to.There is the option to do that when you go into the bank.

Jayne_Doe · March 2016

Yeah...I have max character inventory on all 8 of my characters, plus max bank space, and it's still not enough. I recently got rid of all my 200 stacks of style stones that can be purchased at vendors. That freed up 10 spaces. Of course, once all the new styles get introduced, that'll take up those slots, but hey, it's something.

I have this tendency to want to be able to craft anything, of any style, level, etc. So, I have all potencies, essences, aspects for Enchanting; all provisioning mats; and so on. I'm a hoarder, and it was hard to get rid of those style stones - but they're only 15g each at vendors (which is why I'm so baffled when I see these for sale in guild stores at 100g or more - heck, anything more than 15g is overpriced).

Aelthwyn · March 2016

I completely agree that the bagspace system is totally inadequate and a real turn off. It seems quite typical for newer players (who don’t have full bag upgrades yet) to spend more time managing their inventory than they do actually playing - it’s tedious and not good for keeping players interested in the game. Many people have found it necessary to create ‘bank alts’ that are just there to hold things instead of being able to actually go out and play with them. This is not how it should be!

People usually rush into threads like this with the ‘hoarder’ accusation, but that is only SOME of the players that have issues with inventory space. Personally I do not hoard. I try to keep only one stack of each material, and I sell or deconstruct everything else that I loot. I would enjoy collecting mementos, it would add something to the game for me, but I gave up on that almost from day one, and only keep the stuff I need. When I get an overflowing stack I craft and sell or decontruct. I’ve been steadily upgrading my space but I still agree that I have to keep running back to town far too often for a ‘pit stop’ at the merchants/bank.

A while back I did some math on this (it may not be completely accurate now):
—Consumables: 134—
Enchanting: 56
5 Aspect
19 Essence
32 Potency

Alchemy: 27
18 reagents
9 solvents

Provisioning: 51
25 food
26 drink

—Equipment: 130+—
Blacksmithing: 24
10 types of ore
10 types of ingots
4 tempering

Clothing: 44
10 cloth materials
10 types of cloth
10 types of hide
10 types of refined leather
4 tempering

Woodworking: 24
10 types of rough wood
10 types of sanded wood
4 tempering

18 Trait Stones
20+ Style Materials

For One Stack of every Crafting Material you would need at least 244 spaces. This is not quick and easy to get in this game, and can really put a damper on things for newer players (and even some who have been around a while) who want to craft. Sure you have space on your alts, but it’s a pain to log in and out to pass the gathered materials to the other characters, and again to retrieve the needed materials when you want to craft, and having them loaded up prevents you from being able to enjoy actually playing with the other characters and builds you may want to try.

A few tips.
1. Do crafting writs each day (which will use up some materials and make you some coin) - then if you have a horse stop by the stable after turning them in and upgrade your bagspace, put the rest in the bank to save up for bank and personal bag upgrades.

2. Don’t save a lot of items to research, only a couple that you’ll be able to start soon, otherwise try to just go check the guild traders for items with the next trait you want to research and buy them when you’re ready to actually start. I know it feels like a waste, but when you need space….

3. For provisioning you can probably rely on crafting writ rewards and hirelings to provide you with all the materials you need so you don’t need to worry about picking up any of those as you’re questing.

GreenGhostMan · March 2016

I agree. Early in the game I spent probably a 1/3 of my time managing inventory, which is ridiculous.

I've read a few threads that said infinite crafting bags are coming but for ESO+ members only. Really ZOS? That greedy huh? Why not let us buy a crafting bag from the crown store that is character bound. I'm sure lots of people would want them for multiple characters (you'd still get your $, ZOS). But I find it extremely greedy to require ESO+ to get something that would end up being vital and almost necessary to stay competitive in the crafting portion of the game.

bryanhaas · March 2016

I think we need an increase to bank space 240 slots is not enough, I would pay more gold.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

240 slots is enough to hold at least one stack of every mat except provisioning mats. Provisioning is the craft I have decided to ignore. I can fit everything else in though, including multiple stacks of expensive mats. Gear I might use I keep on me, and gear I will probably never use but want to keep I put on an alt, I call him my outfitter and he also holds my collection of disguises/costumes. This also helps to avoid accidental decons. So my bank is just one huge cache of mats. I'm reasonably happy with this setup and don't crave infinite storage. I do remember it being hard when you start out though, but then everything is. Having said that though I wouldn't oppose a storage increase; would be nice not to have to use an alt. My brother is lucky enough to own a guild with 7 inactive players in, plus me, my bro and a mate. So I have been using that to collect all the interesting sets I loot while levelling alts.

IMO bank space > bag space, but both are nice.

Pomaikai · March 2016

The Crafting Bag is "Coming Soon"TM. That's going to truly solve this issue once and for all, but we have to wait another 3 months and you have to subscribe to ESO+ in order to get and maintain access to what's in the bag.

The concept of a shared bank isn't new, and can be a real help in an MMO where people have lots of characters they like to play. However, instead of designating a set number of slots as shared, as well as not allowing fillable containers go into bag and bank slots to help alleviate space issues, ZOS created the STUPIDEST and CLUNKIEST space issue in the entire industry. I love this game, but seriously, I've never seen anything more IDIOTIC than the bag and bank system in this game. The person, or persons who thought that our current system was good and/or FUN, which is what a GAME is supposed to be...FUN, needs to have their head examined.

Now that I've gotten that rant out of the way, there is also the unspoken storage system in this game that no one here has mentioned. It's a bit clunky, but what else about this game ISN'T clunky when it comes to storage? That storage system is... Your mailbox!

Yes, your mailbox. You can store quite a bit in your mailbox for up to 30-days before you either have to take it out and keep it, sell it, or resend it back out. This is what is known as the RTS, or Return To Sender trick. While it doesn't require an add-on to do, it sure makes things a whole lot easier if you are using Wyykyd's Mailbox add-on, which automates the entire process, and puts some safety back in as well. The biggest requirement to doing the RTS trick, is have friends in the game whom you trust. Getting into a guild, making friends with the people in it, and especially using Teamspeak with your guild mates will get you those trusted folks with whom you can regularly Bounce mails with on a daily basis.

I bounce RTS mails off of friends pretty much daily, and they do the same with me. We all use Wyykyd's and you don't even really notice that the bounces are occurring. As soon as you log into your in-game mailbox, any mail which uses one of a set group of keywords in the subject line is automatically Returned To Sender. This means you can mail groups of 6 items at a time, clearing your inventory for more loot so you can keep grinding without having to take a bank/decon break, and then get all of those items back in your mail quickly where they can sit for up to 30-days waiting for you to pull them from your mail and decon/sell them. On a long grinding day, I can send out 10-20 RTS mails which equates to having an additional 60-120 bag slots!

RTS mail bounces are also good for semi-longterm storage of items you plan on putting up for sale in your guild traders. I've now begun to organize and label those items within the body of the mail itself for easy sorting when items in my various guild traders sell. The only important thing to remember here, is that when using your bank for semi-longterm storage your mails can only sit there for 30-days before they vanish, taking your stored items with them! However, your mailbox tells you exactly how long a mail has been sitting in your mailbox, so you can just accept the mail and resend it back out as another RTS bounce when it gets close to that 30-day mark. I never let things get closer than a week before rebouncing them as a buffer for unforeseen life/game circumstances which might keep me from logging in and losing mail. If I know I'm going to be gone on holiday for a while, I'll just renounce the whole lot just before I leave.

The new Crafting Bag will almost certainly end my use of my mailbox as semi-longterm storage, but it probably will never end the use of RTS bounced mail for long grind sessions. Give it a try. It will truly change your life for the better in this game. As one of my all-time favourite bands once sang, "I get by with a little help from my friends".