Jerk or Incompetent

Miszou · February 2016

I always PUG and just deal with whatever I get.

Sometimes it's a speed-run and I'm the unnecessary tank being carried, other times I'm soloing the boss like a boss because everyone else is dead.

I don't offer advice (other than dungeon mechanics), because I don't play other classes.

I just like to join the LFG queue and help out some people that have been waiting too long. I see myself as a Public Service Defender - I may not be the best you'll get, but the system will eventually assign me to your case.

BlackEar · February 2016

I would rather get it done quickly if I go with pugs. That is why I choose them. If I join a miserable group that is simply unlucky, but I know the risk.

Volkodav · February 2016

Miszou wrote: »

I always PUG and just deal with whatever I get.

Sometimes it's a speed-run and I'm the unnecessary tank being carried, other times I'm soloing the boss like a boss because everyone else is dead.

I don't offer advice (other than dungeon mechanics), because I don't play other classes.

I just like to join the LFG queue and help out some people that have been waiting too long. I see myself as a Public Service Defender - I may not be the best you'll get, but the system will eventually assign me to your case.

I thank you for your ESO service. It is much needed.
:}

KallistaBlackheart · February 2016

oversimplified binary is oversimplified and binary....

Hope499 · February 2016

no vote, as it depends on my mood.

Usually I will help out, some nights I just want to get *** done though.

Acharnor · February 2016

I will take a considerate/friendly new player over an arrogant jerk in a rush any day. Much more fun.

Lord_Xp · February 2016

When I go through a dungeon for the first time, I try to find other new players to go along with me so that we can all experience it for the first time. Also, I don't want anything to be spoiled while going through the dungeon. Playing with an experienced player, they just go fast and don't really stop to look at anything. I like to take my time and see what the dungeon has to offer.

But once I run it a couple of times, then I'll go with an experienced group just to get experience and loot.

idk · February 2016

The new played can be just as much a jerk in not wanting to learn and thinks he is better than actions prove. I say this as someone who has spent plenty of time explaining fights and going through wipe after wipe because at least one played in the groups is missing/isn't noticing the mechanics required to get the fight done.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

What an asinine poll.

When I'm just playing to play, I don't mind helping new or bad players out.

Some days you want to gather good players and knock content out though and there is nothing wrong with that.

It's the game makers job to give the players the ability to learn and improve at a game, not the player base. That's not to say that a player base that helps it's fellow players out isn't a good thing, because it is.

Some people just don't belong in an MMO game.

reften · February 2016

Depends. Someone can be a jerk in the eyes of one person, but not in the eyes of another.

If you're defining jerk as someone who makes inappropriate jokes, is self centered, borderline sociopath, with an ego. I can live with that.

If you're talking about someone who is constantly ridiculing others, naming calling, etc, that level of a jerk...than no, will refuse to be in the same group as them.

Newbies are fine as long as they're competent people. Some newbies aren't new to the game, they've been around a LONG time, these just can't learn much or are immature, and seem new. No thanks to those people.

Elijah_Crow · February 2016

If this isn't happening, you are not having as much fun as you should!

https://youtu.be/4zurn90p71E

Volkodav · February 2016

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

If this isn't happening, you are not having as much fun as you should!

https://youtu.be/4zurn90p71E

This is the way it should go.So much fun!!
I love these videos.I sweat to God.The music just slays me!
(Id love to do a run with these guys.)

Fruitmass · February 2016

Miszou wrote: »

I always PUG and just deal with whatever I get.

Sometimes it's a speed-run and I'm the unnecessary tank being carried, other times I'm soloing the boss like a boss because everyone else is dead.

I don't offer advice (other than dungeon mechanics), because I don't play other classes.

I just like to join the LFG queue and help out some people that have been waiting too long. I see myself as a Public Service Defender - I may not be the best you'll get, but the system will eventually assign me to your case.

I'm pretty much the same way. PuGs generally don't bother me that much, been in quite a few that were actually pretty fun. In all the time I've been playing there's only ever been two times I've dropped out of a group (one of which I feel kind of bad about), usually I stay with it till we either finish or the group falls apart completely.

AOECAPS · February 2016

Depends on content. Elden hollow vet pledge sure randoms and new players. vet COA,WGT,and ICP running with people I know can complete the content and have before I'm not going to sit at the flesh sculptor for an hour and a half because someone is wearing all green hist bark gear as a DPS. Most people also say yea I've ran ICP or WGT when they might have ran it but completing it is something different. Had it happen last WGT pledge on 3 different occasions by 4 ppl another time a guy told me he has completed it and then got excited because he picked up his first 2 daedric embers.prison that 2nd fight on console is a pain in the rear and don't feel like piggybacking randoms through it

Lenikus · February 2016

Depends, is the Jerk the kind that goes ragequit, or the kind that jsut insults?
If he just insults, i'll chose the jerk every time. (i did in this poll)
If he ragequits, i'd rather teach someone from scratch than to queue for a new group.

Cillion3117 · February 2016

You can teach skill. You can't teach personality.

Samsayia · February 2016

You know, being new to a dungeon doesn't necessarily spell incompetent.

My friend and I pugged Blessed crucible and all of us were running that dungeon for the first time and all I can say is *** those Incinerator Bugs. After three wipes using different tactics the group took a break, someone went out to smoke a cig, I got myself a jack and coke, and friend person looked around online to see if there was a trick to the bugs. Nope, no fancy trick really other than don't get caught in the fire that spreads everywhere.

Put our heads together and we figured out that the two DPSers (me, a NB, and a sorc) needed to change up our skill set to long range single targets. You'd think you'd want to AOE the bugs down before they could reach you, but the fire gets everywhere if you keep them together and we kept getting split up into different corners of the map. Getting split up is a quick way to get killed due to being out of range of the healer, so I had to change my ultimate to my heal bomb for the sake of survivability. Annnnnd THEN we split u lol. Tank stayed with healer and kited the bugs while sorc and I singled a bug out and nuked it.

Once the first bug was down the fight was ours. All newbies to the dungeon who were competent enough to problem solve.

Lenikus · February 2016

Cillion3117 wrote: »

You can teach skill. You can't teach personality.

not with dat attitude you can't ;3

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Cillion3117 wrote: »

You can teach skill. You can't teach personality.

not with dat attitude you can't ;3

Well major studies are showing that our major traits are inheritated so he's not too far from the mark.

But that's not to say someone can't change.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Samsayia wrote: »

You know, being new to a dungeon doesn't necessarily spell incompetent.

Exactly!
Imo the title of this thread is somewhat rude to both new and experienced players.
If a person is new to the dungeon, it doesnt mean they're bad and can't adapt. Sometimes players who brag a lot turn out to be the "weakest link" in group.

Cillion3117 · February 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Cillion3117 wrote: »

You can teach skill. You can't teach personality.

not with dat attitude you can't ;3

It's a game. I play it a couple hours a day to enjoy myself. Im not a therapist, and don't have the time or desire to work on improving another person's aditude in game. If someone is being an ****, I just move on to someone else.

kevlarto_ESO · February 2016

I group with new people all the time, this is a social game, and being social and talking to people is part of the fun at least for me. We were all nublets at one time and I am sure some where along the journey someone reached out and gave you hand, people will not be new forever and I would like folks to learn things early on.

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

The problem with doing key runs is that one noober can wreck your entire run.

That's the downside to 4 man groups, I guess.

BlackEar · February 2016

Cillion3117 wrote: »

You can teach skill. You can't teach personality.

Yes you can.

Miszou · February 2016

Fruitmass wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

I always PUG and just deal with whatever I get.

Sometimes it's a speed-run and I'm the unnecessary tank being carried, other times I'm soloing the boss like a boss because everyone else is dead.

I don't offer advice (other than dungeon mechanics), because I don't play other classes.

I just like to join the LFG queue and help out some people that have been waiting too long. I see myself as a Public Service Defender - I may not be the best you'll get, but the system will eventually assign me to your case.

I'm pretty much the same way. PuGs generally don't bother me that much, been in quite a few that were actually pretty fun. In all the time I've been playing there's only ever been two times I've dropped out of a group (one of which I feel kind of bad about), usually I stay with it till we either finish or the group falls apart completely.

Yeah. I've had groups fall apart and disband, but I've only ever quit a group once and that was because the group finder put 3 tanks and a healer together, and it took like 20 hours to kill the first lion boss in non-vet Volenfell. I told them I was leaving because I wasn't needed, and it wouldn't have taken 30 seconds to find a DPS in the queue, so I didn't feel bad.

And yeah... then there are those really fun groups that you can never group with again because they're in a different alliance. I still see them logging in and out on my friends list, but I really don't know why we're friends since we can't ever do anything together...

mtwiggz · February 2016

When I run dungeons I would rather do them with a competent person to get them done as quickly as possible.

Occasionally I'll take time and teach new players. What I've learned from doing this is that many of them end up asking you for items and such though. In which case I'd rather deal with jerks than beggers.

DenMoria · February 2016

Do people hate me because I like to seek out newer players and either heal them surreptitiously or make it easier for them to get the kill?

I don't need thanks or even acknowledgment, I'm just that altruistic.

Humatiel · February 2016

I figure it's been out long enough for me to make my point more well known.

The title is both misleading and inflammatory without doubt, the choices are phrased in a passive aggressive way and lack any sense of empathy/player consideration based on content. The reason that I created this poll in this way was to see (given no other option) which choice a player would side with, I believe that should I have included a third option of -depends on the content I would try to help if it allows- then virtually everyone would have picked that and we would have learned nothing.

The nature of elitism, being a jerk, and stereotypes of incompetence are ridiculously hollow and judging by this poll show that a great many players fill the meta of each of these categories depending upon their mood at the time. The idea that a player is nothing but a jerk, or that a player is always nice is one of the flying standards of segregation within this particular MMO community and it clearly shows that this isn't as black and white as many more outspoken people would have you believe.

While I am somewhat eager to to see how this poll "fizzles out" over the next few days I would like to point out from a personal stance, those that could so freely pick a side with absolute surety appear to be straying dangerously close to the very bigoted mindset they are blaming opposing views of having.

Bossdonut · February 2016

Elitism for me. If the first boss isn't dead within 10 seconds of the encounter I turn off my playstation.

Cadbury · February 2016

Neutral stance

There's an old proverb that comes to mind: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"

That being said, my time is just as valuable as anyone else, and I have no obligation to teach you. Nor do expect a perfect run every time.