Why does the public dungeon Group Event in Alik'r require two players?

ontheleftcoast · February 2016

This sucks. Every time, and I mean EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I run this dungeon it's a major PITA (pain in the arse) to get a second person to trigger the group event. No other alliance or zone has this silly requirement for a public dungeon. It's not a group delve, it's not even a tough fight, 3 big bugs -- *POOF* -- skill point. Well, once you find someone else to do it. But oh no, you need to wait, beg, cajole, plead, and hope to get another player to join you.

So why has this pointless "feature" remained after all this time? Please ZOS, either make every alliance put up with this ridiculous requirement or get rid of it in the Alik'r.

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

All public dungeons should require multiple players. It's so sad that you can solo all of them.

wayfarerx · February 2016

I agree that the 2 person requirement is dumb. Most of my characters are on AD and finding someone in a VR9 zone is super rare.

Bossdonut · February 2016

Use your phone a friend lifeline

Kammakazi · February 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

All public dungeons should require multiple players. It's so sad that you can solo all of them.

TRUTH

ontheleftcoast · February 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

All public dungeons should require multiple players. It's so sad that you can solo all of them.

Public dungeons are designed to be more challenging than solo dungeons but not as hard as group content. I suppose I could see the need for two players but that would require ZOS to totally overhaul healing in this game. Right now, with self healing so prevalent -- hell -- REQUIRED, there really isn't a need for two players for most content.

To put if another way, people can solo vMA, so do you really think every public dungeons should be harder than that? Or that all public dungeons have some pointless "two (or more) people need to stand here to proceed" features?

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

All public dungeons should require multiple players. It's so sad that you can solo all of them.

Public dungeons are designed to be more challenging than solo dungeons but not as hard as group content. I suppose I could see the need for two players but that would require ZOS to totally overhaul healing in this game. Right now, with self healing so prevalent -- hell -- REQUIRED, there really isn't a need for two players for most content.

To put if another way, people can solo vMA, so do you really think every public dungeons should be harder than that? Or that all public dungeons have some pointless "two (or more) people need to stand here to proceed" features?

Only experienced players with well equiped end game characters can do vMSA, but public dungeons are leveling content, so they don't need to be buffed to a vMSA level, to require a group or pose a big challenge when you solo them. But currently you can just solo them naked, which is boring.

Moonshadow66 · February 2016

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

This sucks. Every time, and I mean EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I run this dungeon it's a major PITA (pain in the arse) to get a second person to trigger the group event. No other alliance or zone has this silly requirement for a public dungeon. It's not a group delve, it's not even a tough fight, 3 big bugs -- *POOF* -- skill point. Well, once you find someone else to do it. But oh no, you need to wait, beg, cajole, plead, and hope to get another player to join you.

So why has this pointless "feature" remained after all this time? Please ZOS, either make every alliance put up with this ridiculous requirement or get rid of it in the Alik'r.

Yep.
I don't even run it anymore, because of this. I think I've completed this dungeon only with 2 characters or so, and when I've been around with any other character, the zone was basically empty, so what can you do but just skipping it. Or just grabbing the skyshard and leave. Doesn't make any sense.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

group event. just weird that they are all so easy and you can do them all solo.
pain if you need the skillpoint though

SteveCampsOut · February 2016

Somebody call the Waaahmbulance! I have done that dungeon solo several times in regular and vet mode on both the NA and EU servers and haven't had to wait long for some other poor sot to show up and stand on those tiles. It's just one group event. You can still complete Vanquisher and Conqueror solo as well as grab the sky shard. Surely if you're in guild you can find one member to join you for that group event if you can't be bothered to wait for a random to show up.

SemiD4rkness · February 2016

Lol why are you guys even playing an MMO to begin with if you want all content to be done alone.

Kathrein · February 2016

another one, really?? STOP complaining, you are playing an MMO not a single player, i can't stand this kind of posts anymore

Efaritay · February 2016

Just /z and ask for help

I'm sure there will be others in the zone wanting the same thing. or just /leanbackcoin and wait for someone to pass by!

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lol why are you guys even playing an MMO to begin with if you want all content to be done alone.

Well if its an MMO the zones shouldnt be dead and there should be people to do content with.

Kathrein · February 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lol why are you guys even playing an MMO to begin with if you want all content to be done alone.

Well if its an MMO the zones shouldnt be dead and there should be people to do content with.

not everyone like pve or questing but that's what guild and friends are for, just ask someone if they want to quest with you or help you

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Kathrein wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lol why are you guys even playing an MMO to begin with if you want all content to be done alone.

Well if its an MMO the zones shouldnt be dead and there should be people to do content with.

not everyone like pve or questing but that's what guild and friends are for, just ask someone if they want to quest with you or help you

What if I dont like being rushed through content by v16s one-shotting everything? How is that any better than soloing things?

Kathrein · February 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Kathrein wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lol why are you guys even playing an MMO to begin with if you want all content to be done alone.

Well if its an MMO the zones shouldnt be dead and there should be people to do content with.

not everyone like pve or questing but that's what guild and friends are for, just ask someone if they want to quest with you or help you

What if I dont like being rushed through content by v16s one-shotting everything? How is that any better than soloing things?

if i can do all the content alone, shotting things and beat SO HM with 5 people it's not my fault, that's zenimax

, but stop whining about mechanincs of the game that require more than one people to complete. It's an MMO it's suppost to be group work and if you really wanted some 'challenge' cause you can shot anything and you are bored, doing map like Alik in solo is not the challenge you want

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Well, when I needed that blue dye, I just asked in guild if someone needs it as well... Got my achievement in 5 minutes.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Kathrein wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Kathrein wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lol why are you guys even playing an MMO to begin with if you want all content to be done alone.

Well if its an MMO the zones shouldnt be dead and there should be people to do content with.

not everyone like pve or questing but that's what guild and friends are for, just ask someone if they want to quest with you or help you

What if I dont like being rushed through content by v16s one-shotting everything? How is that any better than soloing things?

if i can do all the content alone, shotting things and beat SO HM with 5 people it's not my fault, that's zenimax , but stop whining about mechanincs of the game that require more than one people to complete. It's an MMO it's suppost to be group work and if you really wanted some 'challenge' cause you can shot anything and you are bored, doing map like Alik in solo is not the challenge you want

What is your point here? You didnt address my reply at all, except vaguely referring to it as whining. So you say solo content in the game isnt challenging. This is true... and ZOS nerfed it on purpose because they couldnt balance classes and stam/mag playstyles (some playstyles could solo everything easily, others failed miserably). So its all the more absurd when you come across things like the pressure plates in Crag where all of a sudden, perfectly soloable content is blocked by a mechanic that requires several people. Not because its challenging but because FU.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

All public dungeons should require multiple players. It's so sad that you can solo all of them.

This I agree with. Not sure why everyone wants the entire game to be solo.
Then they complain when they can't find others, but if more of the game required 2 or more, you'd met a lot more ppl by now.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

All public dungeons should require multiple players. It's so sad that you can solo all of them.

This I agree with. Not sure why everyone wants the entire game to be solo.
Then they complain when they can't find others, but if more of the game required 2 or more, you'd met a lot more ppl by now.

Its not that. Initially the content was in fact much more difficult, especially in the vet areas. Problem was some builds would still solo everything easily *cough* magicka *cough* while others were SOOL. Since ZOS werent able to balance this... they nerfed the content so everyone could do it.

Khaos_Bane · February 2016

There is a place to require grouping in this game. Public dungeons are not that place. Grouping requirements are ridiculous, people hate the requirements in Craglorn now and the zone is going to waste.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

All public dungeons should require multiple players. It's so sad that you can solo all of them.

This I agree with. Not sure why everyone wants the entire game to be solo.
Then they complain when they can't find others, but if more of the game required 2 or more, you'd met a lot more ppl by now.

Its not that. Initially the content was in fact much more difficult, especially in the vet areas. Problem was some builds would still solo everything easily *cough* magicka *cough* while others were SOOL. Since ZOS werent able to balance this... they nerfed the content so everyone could do it.

Oh I was here and drastically enjoyed those times but the changes by ZOS were intended to make the game solo able for all due to they cry out. It's just my opinion that ZOS went too far is their adjustments.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

There is a place to require grouping in this game. Public dungeons are not that place. Grouping requirements are ridiculous, people hate the requirements in Craglorn now and the zone is going to waste.

The problem with craglorn is it doesn't scale. Will they ever make it scale? Hopefully - but my guess is if they can't make money off it they won't. It would revitalize the zone though.

The answer isn't making everything soloable. This is an MMO.

failkiwib16_ESO · February 2016

I would advice you to ask friends, guildies or just wait on the spot for someone to show up. There are achievement hunters who play these dungeons, and players who just want the skillpoint - so someone will eventually show up.

It's just very annoying that they put in these mechanics, because pretty much all Gold areas are abandoned.

Robbmrp · February 2016

Since all public dungeons can be solo'd there's no reason to have "Group" events in them. They need to change the requirements on the event so that it counts for 1 or more. Being forced to Group in a soloable dungeon just to complete an achievement isn't very efficient.

@ZOS, please only put Group Achievements in Group Dungeons. There's no need for these in Delves or Public dungeons that people can solo.

Cuyler · February 2016

You can't find one person to help you?!

AlnilamE · February 2016

Have you asked in /z (which is inside the dungeon)?

When I was there trying to get a collectible, I'd come over and help anyone who needed that achievement.

But yes, it's a GROUP challenge.

SahrotRein · February 2016

You're so right, when I've gotten to this group event it was 3AM, me being AD it was in Cadwell's Gold zone so nobody around. I, saddened, had to leave it and come back hours later to find myself some guildmate to help me out.

On the other hand, I think group events should be definitely harder, but not forcing you THIS hard to have second person to step on a plate.

Volkodav · February 2016

I have done lots of public dungeons solo.I havent found one that forces you to group with someone else as a requirement. I HAVE found some public dungeons that are rough enough for two players or more.So I wait until eventually someone comes along to group with,or just to run along without grouping.

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lol why are you guys even playing an MMO to begin with if you want all content to be done alone.

Because you cant find groups for anything, i am level 40 and sitting on 10 dungeons i cant do so i am losing both undaunted and skill points which i need right now to help with crafting and stuff. I agree group dungeons should require a group but its impossible to find people to do group content anymore and when they do, they quit halfway through it. Stuff like this is why more solo content is being offered in MMOs and i LOVE group content but its extremely frustrating when you cant do the content in the game you bought.