Do you pay to play?
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Selstad✭✭✭✭That's one way of doing it
Though the best justification for paying for any type of game is rather simple; it entertains. Not sure how much I've spent on games since I started gaming back in the late 80s / early 90s. But it's a lot. And like books or games, I don't need to justify it any more than it entertains me, and as such is money well spent.2 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I play, since early access, 2 hours per day. I listen to every quest dialog. Some days, like a Saturday, I can play up to 6 hours. I do quests, I did all craftingskills and have it maxed, I pluck flowers and explore every nook and cranny. I PvP'ed in between (from lvl 15) also. I skipped silver and gold at first and PvP'ed. Later on I did them. I had a 3 months break to play ArcheAge.
I didn't rush anything. But after 1 year the content is gone. It took me casual (2 hours per day and doing all of the above) around 1 week per zone. I doubt it will keep one entertained for years to come.
But, I did not do Craglorn (I was bowblade back then I didn't find groups.) but did solo in the end all but one groupdelve (only the darn lamea wenches wont die)
I don't do trials.
I did pledges, but after 30 times now reward=not fun
I haven't tried maelstrom yet, but that's because I don't have access to Wrothgar anymore.Edited by Knootewoot on February 24, 2016 12:08PM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is more convenient and cost effective to buy the large crown packages, under the current DLC release timelines. We're only just now about to get the third DLC in a year and I had no interest in the first one. Just because I have plenty of money doesn't mean I want to throw it away on a subscription I don't need.
One option not mentioned in the poll is people who sub AND buy crowns. I believe that's a fairly decent sized population based on the subscribers I see who seem to have every special mount and also most of the costumes.
Forum users tend not to be representative of the entire game population though.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.0 -
EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I agree with not rushing but playing alts isn't new content.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I play, since early access, 2 hours per day. I listen to every quest dialog. Some days, like a Saturday, I can play up to 6 hours. I do quests, I did all craftingskills and have it maxed, I pluck flowers and explore every nook and cranny. I PvP'ed in between (from lvl 15) also. I skipped silver and gold at first and PvP'ed. Later on I did them. I had a 3 months break to play ArcheAge.
I didn't rush anything. But after 1 year the content is gone. It took me casual (2 hours per day and doing all of the above) around 1 week per zone. I doubt it will keep one entertained for years to come.
But, I did not do Craglorn (I was bowblade back then I didn't find groups.) but did solo in the end all but one groupdelve (only the darn lamea wenches wont die)
I don't do trials.
I did pledges, but after 30 times now reward=not fun
I haven't tried maelstrom yet, but that's because I don't have access to Wrothgar anymore.
1 zone per week is about right - but I play with 8 characters so a zone lasts for 8 weeks, that is roughly 2 months - now how many zones are there, if I count zones from all factions plus the DLCs?- More than enough for years to come, I would say.0 -
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✭✭✭Shader_Shibes wrote: »Well, i know it's not a lot of money per month, but i can't see how anyone can justify subbing regardless of how much they love the game. I'd rather give the money to some charity or homeless person.
It's cheaper to purchase a subscription than purchasing the DLC packages, that's justification enough to explore the full content of the game without limitations.
How is it cheaper with the rate of content they release now? One could pay 6 months of sub before a new DLC is released. That's more money then one who does not sub and buys it on release with crowns.
Rough calculation: 6*15 dollar=90 dollar
Released DLC after 6 months 3k crowns
3k crowns maybe 40 dollar (can't check)
So buying the content after not subbing for 6 months is 50 dollar cheaper.
Unless they start rolling content out every 2-3 monthys, then it might be a better deal to sub. The ESO+ benefits without DLC access are not worthwhile (extra XP etc)
Edit: Of course,.. this is my opinion.
Edited by Knootewoot on February 24, 2016 12:17PM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."1 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »How is it cheaper with the rate of content they release now? One could pay 6 months of sub before a new DLC is released. That's more money then one who does not sub and buys it on release with crowns.
Rough calculation: 6*15 dollar=90 dollar
Released DLC after 6 months 3k crowns
3k crowns maybe 40 dollar (can't check)
So buying the content after not subbing for 6 months is 50 dollar cheaper.
Unless they start rolling content out every 2-3 monthys, then it might be a better deal to sub. The ESO+ benefits without DLC access are not worthwhile (extra XP etc)
Edit: Of course,.. this is my opinion.
You're absolutely right, I forgot to add it was from my stand as a returning subscriber, that is if you subscribe now. I blame it on lack of coffee, only 1 mug of the black magic liquid isn't enough to make all cylinders in the thinker fire up and work 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I agree with not rushing but playing alts isn't new content.
I do not need new content all the time - I am still playing Oblivion and Skyrim, the content is the same, but I experience it with every character differently. This is what role play does to you, you can enjoy the same content in new ways in a different role.2 -
mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭I'm still a subscriber. Have been since day one.
I've been debating for months now whether or not to cancel. Mainly due to the neglect of game breaking bugs and the like. As a PvP player primarily the current status of Cyrodiil and the intense lag is also a huge weight on whether or not I will continue to subscribe.
I hope that the small amount of money I "donate" every month helps leads to some fixes. Time will tell.1 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I play, since early access, 2 hours per day. I listen to every quest dialog. Some days, like a Saturday, I can play up to 6 hours. I do quests, I did all craftingskills and have it maxed, I pluck flowers and explore every nook and cranny. I PvP'ed in between (from lvl 15) also. I skipped silver and gold at first and PvP'ed. Later on I did them. I had a 3 months break to play ArcheAge.
I didn't rush anything. But after 1 year the content is gone. It took me casual (2 hours per day and doing all of the above) around 1 week per zone. I doubt it will keep one entertained for years to come.
But, I did not do Craglorn (I was bowblade back then I didn't find groups.) but did solo in the end all but one groupdelve (only the darn lamea wenches wont die)
I don't do trials.
I did pledges, but after 30 times now reward=not fun
I haven't tried maelstrom yet, but that's because I don't have access to Wrothgar anymore.
1 zone per week is about right - but I play with 8 characters so a zone lasts for 8 weeks, that is roughly 2 months - now how many zones are there, if I count zones from all factions plus the DLCs?- More than enough for years to come, I would say.
Yeah, then it works :-)
I am no altaholic sadly. I create 1 toon. I will create at least 1 alt when the veteran levels are gone. But then I would only do the (main) questline with him because I don't want to do all the Silver/gold quests again.
I really envy people who can make 8 alts and do the same content over and over and over.
It worked for me in SWTOR with multiple alts as imperials could not do the republic quests and vice versa and every class had it's own story. That made an alt already more interesting then an alt in this game.
Edited by Knootewoot on February 24, 2016 12:28PM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I agree with not rushing but playing alts isn't new content.
I do not need new content all the time - I am still playing Oblivion and Skyrim, the content is the same, but I experience it with every character differently. This is what role play does to you, you can enjoy the same content in new ways in a different role.
That is cool you will always have new experiences but Role Players are a very small part of the community. Most people finish all the content in around 3-6 months. This game needs endgame pve content something that is worth doing over and over again. They were on the right track with wrothgar they just need to expand on it.0 -
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✭JamieAubrey wrote: »I've been paying since launch, nice to know I can go into IC or Wroth in a moments notice and not have to worry if I am subbed or not
£8 a month is nothing
Oghur agrees with every word! Sub since launch!
I dont want crowns nor ever used them. I dont care for sub "benefits". Sub to get access to all! And to support a fantastic MMO!
@JamieAubrey is wiseEdited by Cogo on February 24, 2016 12:31PMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭I've always been a sub, but I will finally be cancelling if they don't get the Templar issues sorted. It's gotten way out of hand and the extreme ineptitude on the part of the developers is undeserving of my money.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I play, since early access, 2 hours per day. I listen to every quest dialog. Some days, like a Saturday, I can play up to 6 hours. I do quests, I did all craftingskills and have it maxed, I pluck flowers and explore every nook and cranny. I PvP'ed in between (from lvl 15) also. I skipped silver and gold at first and PvP'ed. Later on I did them. I had a 3 months break to play ArcheAge.
I didn't rush anything. But after 1 year the content is gone. It took me casual (2 hours per day and doing all of the above) around 1 week per zone. I doubt it will keep one entertained for years to come.
But, I did not do Craglorn (I was bowblade back then I didn't find groups.) but did solo in the end all but one groupdelve (only the darn lamea wenches wont die)
I don't do trials.
I did pledges, but after 30 times now reward=not fun
I haven't tried maelstrom yet, but that's because I don't have access to Wrothgar anymore.
1 zone per week is about right - but I play with 8 characters so a zone lasts for 8 weeks, that is roughly 2 months - now how many zones are there, if I count zones from all factions plus the DLCs?- More than enough for years to come, I would say.
Yeah, then it works :-)
I am no altaholic sadly. I create 1 toon. I will create at least 1 alt when the veteran levels are gone. But then I would only do the (main) questline with him because I don't want to do all the Silver/gold quests again.
I really envy people who can make 8 alts and do the same content over and over and over.
It worked for me in SWTOR with multiple alts as imperials could not do the republic quests and vice versa and every class had it's own story. That made an alt already more interesting then an alt in this game.
Well, I am not forcing my characters to follow a quest schedule or so. They do as they please, I dive into the role and try to see the world from their perspective. Some might like to delve into ruins and dungeons, others might not be interested into this but rather craft or explore, some might get involved into criminal activities or PvP, others will never go there.
In those years, where I am role playing, I made the experience, that none of the characters which I created turned out like I have "planned" for her/him. So I just go with the flow and however they will turn out, I role play them this way. The same content might not feel the same for them and not all do every content - this makes them progress slower as well, because they gather less skill points per zone. But each of them is an individual character and I let them have their way.Edited by Lysette on February 24, 2016 12:36PM0 -
Gothlander✭✭✭✭I stay subbed. 50cents a day isn't bad. Plus we get crowns so I use them on xp scrolls or uniforms.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
TESO needs a wardrobe system badly. Something similar to WoW's tmog system would make this game one of the best mmorpg out there!0 -
Gothlander✭✭✭✭Shader_Shibes wrote: »Shader_Shibes wrote: »Well, i know it's not a lot of money per month, but i can't see how anyone can justify subbing regardless of how much they love the game. I'd rather give the money to some charity or homeless person.
It's cheaper to purchase a subscription than purchasing the DLC packages, that's justification enough to explore the full content of the game without limitations.
I have all DLC's, i used my sub crowns to buy them when i cancelled my sub.
Sounds like a good idea but they come out with a dlc like every 4 months or so. Isn't it hard to keep paying for dlc with the crowns you get from being subbed if you unsubscribe?PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
TESO needs a wardrobe system badly. Something similar to WoW's tmog system would make this game one of the best mmorpg out there!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I agree with not rushing but playing alts isn't new content.
I do not need new content all the time - I am still playing Oblivion and Skyrim, the content is the same, but I experience it with every character differently. This is what role play does to you, you can enjoy the same content in new ways in a different role.
That is cool you will always have new experiences but Role Players are a very small part of the community. Most people finish all the content in around 3-6 months. This game needs endgame pve content something that is worth doing over and over again. They were on the right track with wrothgar they just need to expand on it.
I doubt that most finish the game content to 6 months - that might be those, which you had contact with because they play like you do. IMO most are not playing through the game at all - meaning they never get to an end, whatsoever. A lot did not ever finish the main quests in Oblivion and Skyrim. Why should this be different for these kind of people in ESO. For them the way to the goal is what is the "game" - not end game, but never getting to an end of the game. Some people just want to enjoy the fantasy world without a goal in mind, but they rather go with the mood of the moment and enjoy playing the game and be entertained, not stressed out.Edited by Lysette on February 24, 2016 12:50PM0 -
Shader_Shibes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gothlander wrote: »Sounds like a good idea but they come out with a dlc like every 4 months or so. Isn't it hard to keep paying for dlc with the crowns you get from being subbed if you unsubscribe?
Not really, i accumulated quite a few crowns and have enough to buy the next DLC and maybe the one after also. Eventually i wont have enough crowns to pay for DLC, but my game time atm is almost 0 as there isn't enough left for me to do.Edited by Shader_Shibes on February 24, 2016 12:51PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I agree with not rushing but playing alts isn't new content.
It is if you don't do Cadwells but instead play through the 1-50 content with 3 different characters.
Like Lysette I am taking my time with alts. I have played ESO since PC launch and with currently around a dozen characters - different classes, different builds, different alliances - my highest is 44. Of course, I don't play ESO as my only active game and I find that by spreading my time between different games and characters (and as a retired person I find I seem to have less time for gaming than when I worked full-time!) I maintain my enjoyment of the games as well as never running out of content. I'm not an active role-player, but each of my characters definitely is played with a different style and purpose, again making the experience different and entertaining. We each have different approaches, but mine works for me. I have every reason to contribute to the game's ongoing upkeep and development and view it as likely to be my main MMO "home" for years to come. It's a piddling amount of money for the amount of enjoyment I get from it.1 -
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✭✭✭I sub.
I don't have to worry about buying DLC and I have crowns to spend on pets and mounts.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭The only reason why I pay a sub is to keep the improvements going, maybe lag will be fixed some day, one can only hope..PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »I sub from the very first day. And love that game and the DLC packs so will keep sub to support the game
Same here. I don't PvP or play competively so all the issues others claim to have simply don't affect me, indeed I've only had a single broken quest since PC launch and that was instantly fixed by abandoning and re-taking it. The game has otherwise run flawlessly for me since day one. I have a couple of accounts and switch an ESO Plus sub between them according to where I want the free crowns.
I would not be "only" playing PvP if there was something else to do. I did all quests and the game was good in PvE land (only 2 broken quests, including the fun naked jumping in coldharbour and the ghost quest in Glenumbra). But just asking... what do people do in PvE in the end?
I am not a raider. Once in a while is fun, but the same dungeons over and over and gear grind I find boring. I tried PvE, but once there I though to myself "... what the *** is there to do" and I hightailed back to Cyrodill.
Who can give me insight what they do in PvE what makes a sub worthwhile.
Very simple - not rushing through the content - at my current pace I will reach level 50 with my 8 characters in about 13 months and 4 days. So to me there is plenty of content there for years to come, even with the current content.
I play, since early access, 2 hours per day. I listen to every quest dialog. Some days, like a Saturday, I can play up to 6 hours. I do quests, I did all craftingskills and have it maxed, I pluck flowers and explore every nook and cranny. I PvP'ed in between (from lvl 15) also. I skipped silver and gold at first and PvP'ed. Later on I did them. I had a 3 months break to play ArcheAge.
I didn't rush anything. But after 1 year the content is gone. It took me casual (2 hours per day and doing all of the above) around 1 week per zone. I doubt it will keep one entertained for years to come.
But, I did not do Craglorn (I was bowblade back then I didn't find groups.) but did solo in the end all but one groupdelve (only the darn lamea wenches wont die)
I don't do trials.
I did pledges, but after 30 times now reward=not fun
I haven't tried maelstrom yet, but that's because I don't have access to Wrothgar anymore.
1 zone per week is about right - but I play with 8 characters so a zone lasts for 8 weeks, that is roughly 2 months - now how many zones are there, if I count zones from all factions plus the DLCs?- More than enough for years to come, I would say.
Yeah, then it works :-)
I am no altaholic sadly. I create 1 toon. I will create at least 1 alt when the veteran levels are gone. But then I would only do the (main) questline with him because I don't want to do all the Silver/gold quests again.
I really envy people who can make 8 alts and do the same content over and over and over.
It worked for me in SWTOR with multiple alts as imperials could not do the republic quests and vice versa and every class had it's own story. That made an alt already more interesting then an alt in this game.
Well, I am not forcing my characters to follow a quest schedule or so. They do as they please, I dive into the role and try to see the world from their perspective. Some might like to delve into ruins and dungeons, others might not be interested into this but rather craft or explore, some might get involved into criminal activities or PvP, others will never go there.
In those years, where I am role playing, I made the experience, that none of the characters which I created turned out like I have "planned" for her/him. So I just go with the flow and however they will turn out, I role play them this way. The same content might not feel the same for them and not all do every content - this makes them progress slower as well, because they gather less skill points per zone. But each of them is an individual character and I let them have their way.
Ah nice mindset . I only had this in SWG when I played it (for around 8 years). Maybe I am rushed in a way (I just want to jump in now and PvP and jump out) that I take little time for RP'ing. Indeed RP'ing gets more out of the game.
Well, all I can say is enjoy it. Maybe one day I can get back to RP'ing.
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✭I switched to DLCs, as sub-benefits are so crap, but now I regret I had them, after all Ive unlocked all DLCs.Edited by Sausage on February 24, 2016 1:03PM0 -
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✭I was a long time subber but cancelled a little while ago. The only reason I play ESO is for the PVP - why would offering me free DLCs be an incentive when they are mostly PVE content? I just bought IC and cancelled my subscription. Spend enough time there, so it's absolutely worth the purchase, especially considering the state Cyrodiil is in right now. I can't stand it up there.
When they fix the performance issues and buff stam sorcs they can have my money.
Don't hold your breath for that - as long as they do not see, that the problem with lag is a game design issue and not a technical issue, it will not get any better anytime soon. And Mr. Wrobel is not showing that he understands the problem, he is still for not nerfing zergs - so be it, there will be lag for an eternity or until he will finally grasp that zergs are bad.
And how should they nerf zergs? Large battles are one of the big parts of the game. And zergs will always be part of that.
Many people do like the large scale combat.
Player AoE is stupid ridiculous. Needs to be a mostly siege only thing.
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Clarkieson✭✭✭✭PvP is only useful endgame aspect of ESO anyway
ESO does not have endgame PvE aswell (ditch the single player maelstrom arena)
and im barely playing it because Cyrodiil is either empty or full (full Cyrodiil means 2 seconds delay on any key you click on keyboard or mouse)
so sub/ DLCs purchasing is not needed
if the base game cant deliver endgame for PvE, why bother?
as soon as you can buy monster sets in pvp, pve will die. oh people will still have to grind to level 10 to get to cyrodiil but you can get so much xp in pvp these days that pve is now hardly worth it.
i see people level up in pvp so quickly that you can do a veteran rank in under a day with no xp boosts.
if you love questing, great but after 7 characters the same quests for little or pitiful reward gets old real fast. the quests in cyrodiil give much better rewards anyway. The quests that give out skill points are still worth doing obviously.
oh and i am a die hard pve player before i get trolled, but the lag in pve now is great that you might as well just go to cyrodiil and get lag there.0 -
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✭✭✭Although I'm unsubscribing once I hit cap which will be before thieves guild goes live.0 -
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✭Clarkieson wrote: »PvP is only useful endgame aspect of ESO anyway
ESO does not have endgame PvE aswell (ditch the single player maelstrom arena)
and im barely playing it because Cyrodiil is either empty or full (full Cyrodiil means 2 seconds delay on any key you click on keyboard or mouse)
so sub/ DLCs purchasing is not needed
if the base game cant deliver endgame for PvE, why bother?
as soon as you can buy monster sets in pvp, pve will die. oh people will still have to grind to level 10 to get to cyrodiil but you can get so much xp in pvp these days that pve is now hardly worth it.
i see people level up in pvp so quickly that you can do a veteran rank in under a day with no xp boosts.
if you love questing, great but after 7 characters the same quests for little or pitiful reward gets old real fast. the quests in cyrodiil give much better rewards anyway. The quests that give out skill points are still worth doing obviously.
oh and i am a die hard pve player before i get trolled, but the lag in pve now is great that you might as well just go to cyrodiil and get lag there.
@Clarkieson ,
you say: "as soon as you can buy monster sets in pvp, pve will die"
I do not think that PVE will die.
Players will do pledges for fun, improvement of their group play skills, the loot and not to forget the undaunted passives.
After that they will move on to the next PVE challenges, supported by new DLC's every quarter.
That sounds as a very natural progress to me.
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Clarkieson✭✭✭✭Clarkieson wrote: »PvP is only useful endgame aspect of ESO anyway
ESO does not have endgame PvE aswell (ditch the single player maelstrom arena)
and im barely playing it because Cyrodiil is either empty or full (full Cyrodiil means 2 seconds delay on any key you click on keyboard or mouse)
so sub/ DLCs purchasing is not needed
if the base game cant deliver endgame for PvE, why bother?
as soon as you can buy monster sets in pvp, pve will die. oh people will still have to grind to level 10 to get to cyrodiil but you can get so much xp in pvp these days that pve is now hardly worth it.
i see people level up in pvp so quickly that you can do a veteran rank in under a day with no xp boosts.
if you love questing, great but after 7 characters the same quests for little or pitiful reward gets old real fast. the quests in cyrodiil give much better rewards anyway. The quests that give out skill points are still worth doing obviously.
oh and i am a die hard pve player before i get trolled, but the lag in pve now is great that you might as well just go to cyrodiil and get lag there.
@Clarkieson ,
you say: "as soon as you can buy monster sets in pvp, pve will die"
I do not think that PVE will die.
Players will do pledges for fun, improvement of their group play skills, the loot and not to forget the undaunted passives.
After that they will move on to the next PVE challenges, supported by new DLC's every quarter.
That sounds as a very natural progress to me.
oh yeah the undaunted passives. they are easy to get really. the loot? gotta love that RNG huh? we all need 100+ mercenary books and well fitted monster shoulders. love those green rewards in the gold chest too, marvellous.
might just grind more champion points in the new group dungeons thats are coming..... oh.0 -
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✭I do not think that PVE will die.
Players will do pledges for fun, improvement of their group play skills, the loot and not to forget the undaunted passives.
After that they will move on to the next PVE challenges, supported by new DLC's every quarter.
That sounds as a very natural progress to me.
Which would be? Let's think now, how much challenging content was released from Sanctum trial, to now? Sanctum was released like 1.5 years ago iirc and in that time we have had umm vWGT, vPrison and Maelstrom Arena which you could count as PVE challenges. Next challenging pve content is MoL trial and i can bet you that will be it for atleast another 6 months. For players that have been here since beta, there is literally nothing left to do. Lost count of how many pledges i have done, how many vDSA, vMA, trials etc i have done.1
