I'm getting kinda fed up with all this QQ about Stam Sorc.
The entire class is an oxymoron. You're not entitled to ***.
A sorcerer is and forever will be mainly magicka in any game. The fact that you want to cast your magic abilities using stamina is ***.

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Yep, this is YASSP (Yet another stam sorc post), but I just wanted to show the the team at ZOS what stam sorcs have to deal with in terms of balance. I've chosen Nightblade to put them up against because people say they need high damaging abilities to make up for their lack of defence (similar to stam sorc).

Note: This is not a nerf NB thread. I am just using them as a comparison as mentioned above. I think Nightblades are fine.

I've whipped up a quick sheet of some useful abilities and passives both classes have to get a good look. I didn't even bother with an Ultimate comparison because we all know stam sorcs ultimates are terrible compared to Nightblades anyway.



To ensure this post isn't too biased, I'm going to say I prefer the Sorc passives for my stamina builds. However, the main thing behind this thread is to point out passives don't necessarily keep you alive. You can tell from the comparison Nightblades obviously have more damage related specs, but also pretty good "oh crap" utilities. Stamina sorcerers just have to sit there and take whatever's coming. You could say streak is an option, but with gap closers and the streak nerf hurting us more than magicka, well, you know the story.
Defence wise, we suck. One puncture and that lightning around us is useless. We have absolutely nothing else to fall back on. That, and a severe lack of decent utilities makes you a sitting duck. We can't CC multiple targets that induces a snare and reduces their damage, we can't cloak to become invisible and heal, we can't use a shadow image to teleport away. This is why Stamina Sorcerer is terrible. We have the same defence as a Nightblade, yet lack the burst damage and escape utilities.
This is why what's left of the stam sorc population are rerolling stam DKs or Nightblades.

What`s your ingame character`s name? I see you post a lot about stam sorcs, but I think I´ve never seen you play on eu. We have some unique strentghs imo, that are really strong.

I.e.: I cant cc multiple targets with a single button press (maybe streak?), but I can stack caltrops, mines and multiple buffs on me due to overload 3rd bar. Lots of ground control which allows in combo with streak for really nasty positioning moves that no other class is able to pull off. I could go on about def rune, which is really, really strong as a cc and theres a lot more.

Its not as one-sided is what I`m trying to say.

You use mines on a stam sorc? Their damage is laughable without the stacked magicka and spell power while also being insanely pricey to place. Overload's 3rd bar can easily be seen as compensation for the class with the most toggles in game, gap closers make the 1-2 uses of streak not quite as 'nasty' as say, a nb teleporting back to a well placed shade. Also for ground control what else, encase? Same as mines, way to expensive. And defensive rune, while nice, is broken by any damage and mostly just wards of gankers. We've had a year of silence and Wrobel brushed us off during the last show, we're an after thought and aside from templars, stam sorcs are not in as peachy of a place in my opinion as you suggest.

Well, it seems you made up your mind not even trying to comprehend my strain of thought. Where did I say I want to achieve dps with mines? Theres two key expressions indicating that the cc and ground control component is what makes it attractive for me to use, despite the ovious loss of dmg compared to magicka setups. And mines, opposed to encase, are stationary, so you dont have to recast it as often. Def rune "just wards gankers", well the "just" is enough for me.

Please explain how "not as one-sided" translates to "peachy of a place"....

Setups like that work for me, it`s ok if you have already decided for yourself that it wont for you and want to stay in that box, but please accept that others don`t feel like you do. I do reasonably well with stam sorc to feel im not as gimped as many of you make it sound.

The thing is those sort of skills cost to much, and as ZOS has shown their love for hybrid builds it is not as effective getting magicka based utility as it is going for more damage. Mines cost an insane amount of magicka to the point where the biggest thing you are denying is yourself of magicka. Sure it has the heal, but boss mobs become immune to mines for a short time after hitting one, the root is helpful but again its tied to an insane cost and on a stam sorc the damage is not there. So much of the class is dependent on high magicka pools and spell damage that the class doesn't have much wiggle room in using utility skills.

On my stamina nb I feel that I can reliably use my class skills for utility and anything I could want for damage can likely be morphed to do so. On my stam sorc there is storm calling with nice utility but aside from that daedric summoning scales primarily off of max magicka and dark magic is full of expensive skills that again, in my experience, do more to cut you off from other skills by draining your magicka like nothing else. Glad things are working for you, but the class in my opinion is so lopsided that there is little choice if you aren't a magicka sorc with a lot put into max magicka and even then.

And @pretzl, do you know why many people likely got interested in ESO? It was advertised as a game where you could make a heavy armored templar knight, or a light armored dk pyromancer, or any other combination because in this game the classes are flexible. This is not another mmo where class = role, and the fact that the other classes can be viably used in both magicka and stamina builds proves the game can do that. What, should we go to the templars and tell them "you guys are healers, that's your class and its all you should do"?

No, this is not a one dimensional game like that, and if you use the name of the class as an argument (which you did) in order to say sorcerers can only be casters, please look up the elder scrolls universe definitions of the class, the heavy armor wearing, magicka absorbing, weapon experts that could not easily (or at all) generate magicka. And then, tell me that sorcerers should be condemned to only play one build type in this game when the other classes aren't as restricted.