Fat-Larry-Makes-All wrote: »

Nah bad idea. Getting the exact set you wanted gets too easy this way in my opinion, it's far more satisfying if you have to struggle a bit to get exactly what you want.

I agree with you! This is such a bad idea and so many loop holes in how a player / ZOS / Crown Store can screw crafters.

Here is another idea... how about showing us a darn PREVIEW of what something will actually look like before we craft it? I don't know how many times I've had to craft a bow in all the different styles just to see what each will look like on my character. Sure there are sites online that show you each item, but showing them and seeing them on your character are two different things. How many times have we crafted something only to later discover, when equipped, that it cuts into your character's back, head or hair?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

General information you can only covert items that come in multiple styles.

Arch-Mage only comes as Breton, Breton style lock

Elf Bane only comes as Argonian, Argonians style sexy armor anyway (not the Helm I love Argonian style but that heavy helm toggle hide)

Ash Mountain is weird all pieces are in the Ashlander style but the Helmet. It can come in an race style so you can convert it to Imperial. But just the helmet.

There are some nice sets I don't run just cause they look like sh*t like Ash Mountain I like the set's bonus but the way it looks really don't care enough about to small stat boost.

Argonian heavy helmet looks like a chamber pot put on upside down. I absolutely love it.

I'm 100% for this, I'd go so far as to say that I'd also like to be able to change it to look like (but not function like) a different level or material of armor. You really like the cotton-level Nord shirt, but are a 100% heavy armor tank? Dang, sure, just convert to that style and you keep the heavy armor stats but upgrade to your new sleek look! They'd have to make it so you can convert set items and really everything as well, though, otherwise it's a waste!

EDIT: Wow, what a necro. I'm just going to stop drinking, I think.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I wish mimic stones could allow us to convert based on motifs we learned, that would also encourage more people to buy them from crown store and make both players and ZOS happy.

Yes to converting stuff..

I support being able to convert (and thus bind to you) any gear you have to the style of any Motif you have learned personally. I would even support bind to character and not account for this (can't deposit in bank, etc).

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Defeats the point of having motifs and effects the games economy drastically if this expands beyond Imperials.

So converting drop sets and monster sets into a motif that you've learned defeats the point of motifs? Makes sense.

Yes it does defeat the purpose of motifs, racial mats and crafting as a whole.

-This is basically another transmogrify idea....which sounds cool until you actually look at what it changes.

-Converting anything has an impact on the materials, motif, skill points, etc.
In order to learn certain motif, it requires skill progression.
In order to make certain motif, it requires mats and style items
In order to make level effective gear with motif, it requires...skill, mats, style items
In order to have set gear....at level, you either have to run research items, run dungeons, trials, MSA, random drops in certain level ranges, etc.

This drastically effects everything, so instead we have costumes which seem to come every month and perhaps with these, ZOS could offer something closer to you're desires but allowing anyone other than the Imperial situation to change its appearance is not going to have a positive impact overall to the games economy which matters for gear progression and crafting progression.

What I'm suggesting isn't that everyone can convert their gear into everything regardless of knowledge. What I'm getting at is that if you already have the knowledge to craft gear in a particular motif then you should be able to convert something you can't craft into a motif that you know. This is completely independent of crafting. This is simply having the capability to change the look of something you can't craft.

I understand what you're suggesting and do believe it has negative impacts outside of this idea.

ie: ZOS announces, now any set item dropped in MSA, vMSA, Craglorn, Dungeons or Dolemens, or any new similar encounter will allow anyone to change the appearance as long as they have the following:

-Motif
-other requirements

It now becomes the new carrot so motif prices sky rocket, ppl farming motif grow, and the purpose of crafters drastically falls because the new LFG change is coming in a week or so, so it will be easier to obtain these types of items which then draws more focus to runs for these. Why would anyone pay a crafter to make armor if they could find a set piece and only need a motif to change its look.

Additionally, this situation removes the requirements of leveling each crafting tree, using skill points (other than top motif) which then becomes a lets me level this up to learn the motif and then reset my skills.
Now ppl are buying and grabbing "trash loot" to decon for progression

It seems harmless but it touches so many other parts of crafting.....I don't agree that this is good.
I do feel that perhaps more costumes could fall from these same type of runs and that accomplishes your idea.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Defeats the point of having motifs and effects the games economy drastically if this expands beyond Imperials.

So converting drop sets and monster sets into a motif that you've learned defeats the point of motifs? Makes sense.

Yes it does defeat the purpose of motifs, racial mats and crafting as a whole.

-This is basically another transmogrify idea....which sounds cool until you actually look at what it changes.

-Converting anything has an impact on the materials, motif, skill points, etc.
In order to learn certain motif, it requires skill progression.
In order to make certain motif, it requires mats and style items
In order to make level effective gear with motif, it requires...skill, mats, style items
In order to have set gear....at level, you either have to run research items, run dungeons, trials, MSA, random drops in certain level ranges, etc.

This drastically effects everything, so instead we have costumes which seem to come every month and perhaps with these, ZOS could offer something closer to you're desires but allowing anyone other than the Imperial situation to change its appearance is not going to have a positive impact overall to the games economy which matters for gear progression and crafting progression.

What I'm suggesting isn't that everyone can convert their gear into everything regardless of knowledge. What I'm getting at is that if you already have the knowledge to craft gear in a particular motif then you should be able to convert something you can't craft into a motif that you know. This is completely independent of crafting. This is simply having the capability to change the look of something you can't craft.

I understand what you're suggesting and do believe it has negative impacts outside of this idea.

ie: ZOS announces, now any set item dropped in MSA, vMSA, Craglorn, Dungeons or Dolemens, or any new similar encounter will allow anyone to change the appearance as long as they have the following:

-Motif
-other requirements

It now becomes the new carrot so motif prices sky rocket, ppl farming motif grow, and the purpose of crafters drastically falls because the new LFG change is coming in a week or so, so it will be easier to obtain these types of items which then draws more focus to runs for these. Why would anyone pay a crafter to make armor if they could find a set piece and only need a motif to change its look.

Additionally, this situation removes the requirements of leveling each crafting tree, using skill points (other than top motif) which then becomes a lets me level this up to learn the motif and then reset my skills.
Now ppl are buying and grabbing "trash loot" to decon for progression

It seems harmless but it touches so many other parts of crafting.....I don't agree that this is good.
I do feel that perhaps more costumes could fall from these same type of runs and that accomplishes your idea.

Putting trait restrictions on crafted gear would help prevent any negative impacts. For instance if you wanted to convert a Hunding's rage set that someone made for you; you'll get a pop up message that states "you need to know 6 traits for this item type in order to convert it". This way the main change you'll see in the market is the increased cost of motifs; which isn't a bad thing.

You're missing it....
That's crafting basically....either you're a crafter all the way or you wear the artwork on drops.
Aside from ZOS artists work and reason.

If someone needs to research, decon, and use skills for motifs, they just need to be a crafter. When you start mixing and matching giving access to a little of this and that for something else, you dynamically change both.

I think this idea works best as a costume request.
So let's use your set up.
You find XYZ BoP set or what not but you really want it to look different, it had to be designed first by ZOS artists for each motif outcome. If they are going to do that work, it may as well be craftable.

Now what about finding costumes or RP gear in these encounters that can be worn by anyone from level "X" and up but BoP too that can slot on top like a costume, to me (requires details and more work) but it would offer you what you desire without impacting the economy negatively.

And I think it's another large thread too about costume options and RP gear

Also....it's just my opinion. I could be completely off base so don't give up on your idea cause of me.