DK and Sorc heal get buffed, so it seem like templar heal is not that "supper" anymore. Breath of life also get nerf to 3 targets from 4 (2 get full heal and 1 get smaller heal, instead of 2). But they are still the only class can feed stam for the group so in pve, still bring something unique to the group. In pvp, templar still have a cheap purge (pvp purge cost increase next update so a cheap purge is very usefull), still good at self heal but not as group heal not good as before (BoL nerf). Talking about pve heal nerf I think NB get a harder hit by the nerf hammer since Funnel Heal also get nerf to 2 targets (you and 1 ally, from 3 targets).

Hard to say.
Sorcerers have the best burst heal, but it requires the twilight pet to be alive. Which is probably great for dungeons where you can heal while doing great dps with overload. But so far I haven't managed to keep my pet alive long enough in trials to be usefull. In pvp I'd also expect that good players will just kill your pet and leave you without your strongest heal.

Templars still have the best stamina support and the highest hps for stacked groups with continous damage, like execute phases of trial endbosses. healing ritual is still not worth a skillpoint in my opinion.

DKs are strong healers for pvp. There many people don't use spell damage potions on cooldown so your aoe major sorcery buff will be great. Igneous shield is small, but it still prevents 1-2 critical hits on every ally while providing the major mending buff to you. They also have (imo) the strongest defensive ultimate.

Nbs are very good off healers, with enough enemies around, sap essece heals for a lot (saw 8-10k heals per cast with no cp in blessed) and funnel is nice as it scalaes with the damage done. But I wouldn't choose them as main healers. They don't have major mending like templars or dks (if you have time to do a heavy attack, you don't need the buff to keep your group alive), and no class based burst heal like templars or sorcs.

Life as a magicka templar who focused on healing and Support is hard in pvp. You have a lot to sacrifice.

Its better in pve.
I havnt tried Ritual of rebirth yet on pts - but a shorter cast time...? Still not worth it.

As a templar i rarely use any class ultimates. They r all weak compared to others. Nova can be good sometimes in special situation that dont happen too often. Thats about it...lol

If, and only if you have a good group who knows about spot-healing (the assumption: most players are 5-10m around you all the time!), the DK might even be stronger than a Templar (!), as with the healing buff and Trinimac's Valor set, you can play as a "guardian" more effective than a Templar, let me tell you why:

• You start everything with igneous shield (25-30% more healing buff + group bubble + stamina back)
• With good equipment (-> 3k spell dmg) you'll see Trinimac's Valor crit procs from Igneous Shield for over 10k+ instant AoE healing (9,x k healing crit procs at 2k spell dmg). The Templar has nothing comparable, not even a group bubble to proc Trinimac. The DK has 2 class-own bubbles, one is a ultimate, all have low radius and a limited number of targets, but still the 20% Trinimac will work wonders!
• The self-survivability of the DK is two times better than a templar: a) Reflects all magic projectiles b) strong, reliable self-heal and c) better synergies
• Now the goodie: Earthen Heart abilities give you ~5% stamina back on cast, so, if using a resto staff, everytime you cast the "group bubble", you'll get stamina back. So you have what a Templar dreams about: you can auto-regenerate stamina, while buffing all the group weapon/spell dmg (next patch), while giving everyone an absorb shield and WHILE having a 20% proc chance (20% = very high) on a powerful AoE heal.
• Better Stamina = more blocking = more magicka back from resto staff passive
• Beside, you got effective area effects (you can even spam unbreakable CC/ae root with 15% dmg debuff), synergies on fire dmg, DoTs, etc., let's say all the benefits of a melee-char.
• Most class skills you'll use are instants (no punturing sweep sh_t, no travelling times of projectiles, no holy bling-bling on the battle field that shoes everyone where to find the healer, no interrupts)
• You can combine Trinimac's Valor with other sets for even more "magic" (I won't tell you)

So, the Templar still has the better and cheaper ultimate for healing (rememberance -25% inc dmg). It is better just because it is cheaper, but you, on the other hand, have the banner and a powerful 2nd group bubble. The Templar also offers some 500 magicka regen in his ritual and some minor goodies, as the debuff option. (That is why you might think about slotting purge/cleanse as DK).

But if you see the benefits of the DK, especially on the self defense: Talons + Cinder Storm + Dragon Fire Scale + Dragon Blood + significant amount of stamina back: you might reconsider playing a DK-Healer, especially in PvP, where the magicka Templar sits on a wheel chair in comparison and has no AoE CC and sluggish skills.

In my consideration, the DK healer is the way to go, if you want to have more fun in PvP (better designed class, + a heavy buff in the next patch) and in sight of the upcoming changes/nurf to Breath of Life. Good PvP Groups will also benefit enormously by a DK-healer or a DD/Healer DK! To the end, Breath of Life/Honor the Dead is still better than Healing Ward for single emergency heals, that will be the main argument, pro or vs. Templar but: how strong is a healer, who lacks powerful self-defense? (self-heal, blazing shield nurfed to oblivion, mobility, stamina on skill activation, aoe cc, .. see the templar threads)

Revised opinion:
PvE- Sorc hands down. We will see them pulling 30k+ DPS while also using breath of life.That extra DPS will be critical for leaderboard scores.
PvP- Still Templar because pet won't be as reliable in PvP.

remilafo wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

PvE -- still templar ... templar healing got buffed in TG not nerfed.. don't believe the crybabies.

It only got buffed if you spam healing springs. Bol, Repentance, Purifying ritual and Remembrance all got their heal reduced.

Go read the patch notes man, or better yet go play your templar on PTS. You got a 100% major mending uptime now. Want some cheese?

100% major mending for standing still inside of one of our runes or in a purify circle for a 25% increase in all healing. Lolo was correct though, I used to get a 30% bonus to my healing tree abilities under the same circumstances. A reduction is still a reduction.

Animal_Mother wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

PvE -- still templar ... templar healing got buffed in TG not nerfed.. don't believe the crybabies.

It only got buffed if you spam healing springs. Bol, Repentance, Purifying ritual and Remembrance all got their heal reduced.

Go read the patch notes man, or better yet go play your templar on PTS. You got a 100% major mending uptime now. Want some cheese?

100% major mending for standing still inside of one of our runes or in a purify circle for a 25% increase in all healing. Lolo was correct though, I used to get a 30% bonus to my healing tree abilities under the same circumstances. A reduction is still a reduction.

I have 20 months and over 2000 hours on a high elf Templar. You have not tested it... Obviously. I am not able to stay still in pve or pve so am not using getting the benefit of major mending. It's rarely useful. The damage is fine actually it's good but to be a healer I ran out of magic 7 times in dark shade cavern and had to resto more than ever before. We had four wipes. Even with 3/3 medicinal use and sucking spell power pots when vr15 trash pots weren't working. You will have to go all regen to keep up and other classes will just be easier to heal with. It's just not worth it tbh and playing a Templar groups will always expect you to heal. Bringing ppl to full health requires more spamming not less. Most ppl expect healers to keep them going regardless of where they stand. It's the pug life. It's mathematically less healing out put than before if you can work in your rune or ritual it would likely be good but that is fantasy to think you can simply stand there. I even tried to stand there in crypt of hearts in my rune and Bol while the ghosts hit me. At this time on Live I can stand still and out heal all the ghosts beating on me with Bol. On pts I cannot do it and have to literally push buttons like a maniac and run out of magic. On pts I have better gear than I do on live albeit 200 less cp. it's a nerf undeniable, on paper it's a 5 percent nerf in reality more than 10 percent. That's aside missing the third person from Bol. Repentance is the only save and that's not gonna help bosses. Your magic Templar will be fine when you are not healing.

DHale wrote: »

Animal_Mother wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

PvE -- still templar ... templar healing got buffed in TG not nerfed.. don't believe the crybabies.

It only got buffed if you spam healing springs. Bol, Repentance, Purifying ritual and Remembrance all got their heal reduced.

Go read the patch notes man, or better yet go play your templar on PTS. You got a 100% major mending uptime now. Want some cheese?

100% major mending for standing still inside of one of our runes or in a purify circle for a 25% increase in all healing. Lolo was correct though, I used to get a 30% bonus to my healing tree abilities under the same circumstances. A reduction is still a reduction.

I have 20 months and over 2000 hours on a high elf Templar. You have not tested it... Obviously. I am not able to stay still in pve or pve so am not using getting the benefit of major mending. It's rarely useful. The damage is fine actually it's good but to be a healer I ran out of magic 7 times in dark shade cavern and had to resto more than ever before. We had four wipes. Even with 3/3 medicinal use and sucking spell power pots when vr15 trash pots weren't working. You will have to go all regen to keep up and other classes will just be easier to heal with. It's just not worth it tbh and playing a Templar groups will always expect you to heal. Bringing ppl to full health requires more spamming not less. Most ppl expect healers to keep them going regardless of where they stand. It's the pug life. It's mathematically less healing out put than before if you can work in your rune or ritual it would likely be good but that is fantasy to think you can simply stand there. I even tried to stand there in crypt of hearts in my rune and Bol while the ghosts hit me. At this time on Live I can stand still and out heal all the ghosts beating on me with Bol. On pts I cannot do it and have to literally push buttons like a maniac and run out of magic. On pts I have better gear than I do on live albeit 200 less cp. it's a nerf undeniable, on paper it's a 5 percent nerf in reality more than 10 percent. That's aside missing the third person from Bol. Repentance is the only save and that's not gonna help bosses. Your magic Templar will be fine when you are not healing.

I know the PUG issue, but nevertheless I switched from 5 pieces Seducer to 5 pieces Kagrenac some time ago for all my four chars (see sig) and therefore lost the 8% cost reduction and a magicka reg bonus. I have to do heavy attacks as a healer sometimes (but rarely) too, but therefore you have the ability to gain magicka by heavy restoration staff attacks.

I agree that spot healing and therefore casting Extended Ritual is not viable in all boss encounters, but in many.

The other stuff you mentioned, spam healing because of bad moving DDs who do not know what damage avoidance is, ghosts in the crypt which hit you as a healer...these are things that should not happen at all.

DD not blocking while AoEing trash ? -> let him die.
DD not moving out of the red ? -> let him die.
DD wants to be special and standing at 28m to play his archer style, ignoring the healing springs, extended ritual and else ? -> let him die.
DDs deliver lousy dps which expands Boss fights for minutes ? -> Try it once, maybe twice, on good days thrice and then just quit the job by leaving.

I admit that the "let him die" is easier said than done because of the "intelligent" healing system.

Ghosts at the final boss in the Crypt hitting you ? Yell the tank (who lost aggro) or the DDs (who are neither able to bring the Boss down to 35% fast enough nor to kill respawning ghost adds fast enough) or die like a man with the consequence that the rest will die too. Wipes maybe make somebody to use his brain.

To be honest...I already love the BoL nerf (1 target less). Maybe this will at last prevent BoL spamming to cater bad moving players through instances although the instances might be paved by dead DD corpses.

There are maybe 3 options where I used BoL in this game a few times:

-> Mantikor without burn down tactic while moving to the gather spot for doing the shard run and moving back again
-> Hel Ra hard mode while moving from gargoyle spot to gargoyle spot and healing up people
-> WGT final boss hard mode, below 25% (BoL comes in handy, but is not needed, I did that with my other non templar healers several times, V16 no death runs inclusively).

I do not understand the lament for PvE, I would understand it for PvP maybe, because there you need any burst healing you can get due to the PvP healing reduction and the burst damage another well organized AvA Group may be able to unload and you aren't able to spot heal always because you have to spread out to avoid DK jumps, mass fears etc. but not for PvE.

...and if nothing helps, look for a group with two magicka DDs where one is a magicka NB and enjoy the smoothness and ease of doing instances.

Templar!
Major mending, buff through illuminate, support from repentance, etc

That said, I guess some (no other dk/templar) small scale PvP groups might do better with a pet sorc (or no "healer"). Because the low mobility of a templar becomes the group's mobility.

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

DK and Sorc heal get buffed, so it seem like templar heal is not that "supper" anymore. Breath of life also get nerf to 3 targets from 4 (2 get full heal and 1 get smaller heal, instead of 2). But they are still the only class can feed stam for the group so in pve, still bring something unique to the group. In pvp, templar still have a cheap purge (pvp purge cost increase next update so a cheap purge is very usefull), still good at self heal but not as group heal not good as before (BoL nerf). Talking about pve heal nerf I think NB get a harder hit by the nerf hammer since Funnel Heal also get nerf to 2 targets (you and 1 ally, from 3 targets).

You still can use Soul Essence as a NB

PvE:
sorcs slightly ahead of templars with TG

PvP:
Temps aslong as ZOS doesent change pets in regard of the battle spirit debuff.

from a pure healing point - temps still offer the most support for everyone but themselves.

Xvorg wrote: »

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

DK and Sorc heal get buffed, so it seem like templar heal is not that "supper" anymore. Breath of life also get nerf to 3 targets from 4 (2 get full heal and 1 get smaller heal, instead of 2). But they are still the only class can feed stam for the group so in pve, still bring something unique to the group. In pvp, templar still have a cheap purge (pvp purge cost increase next update so a cheap purge is very usefull), still good at self heal but not as group heal not good as before (BoL nerf). Talking about pve heal nerf I think NB get a harder hit by the nerf hammer since Funnel Heal also get nerf to 2 targets (you and 1 ally, from 3 targets).

You still can use Soul Essence as a NB

In trash pull yes, where you can easilly get resource back. Boss, specially bosses that require range dps, Funnel Heal cheap cost and can be use at range is the better option, even with nerf.