Can we get a toggle for buttflaps and crotchflaps?

Inarre · February 2016

#butthype!

Wups sorry wrong tag.

#nomoreflaps!

Speely · February 2016

Just straight-up giving us the ability to more creatively determine our appearance would be great. Sure, getting rid of butt-flaps could be an option there... But in a game with a freaking crown store they really need to up the options for appearance modification across the board. They would make more money. If you go B2P, have the damn store ready to make up for it. The anemic nature of the crown store is one of my only serious gripes with the game. I have money just waiting to be spent and there is nothing I want to buy because everything is just static costumes.

CamBam370 · February 2016

Can we please not talk about this , we need too fix the actual game before you give zos more stupid tweak ideas.

Speely · February 2016

CamBam370 wrote: »

Can we please not talk about this , we need too fix the actual game before you give zos more stupid tweak ideas.

Other people want different things than you do. Welcome to MMOs. Fixing abilities and improving performance/balance are not mutually exclusive to providing better cosmetic options. Hint: the artists are not responsible for balancing classes.

Gidorick · February 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Comparing ESO armor to real armor for accuracy is like comparing Dragons to Dinosaurs.

The only actual viable reason for being against the flaps is you don't like them, which is a perfectly legitimate reason to want to see them removed.

Mostly. I think they should be attached to the belt.

#TassetsOnBelts

But when its neither historically accurate nor aesthetically pleasing not much reason for keeping it.
All for making it optional or having more motifs with different styles since choice is nearly always good but the floating bits need to be redone or removed.

I like the tassets... If they add a toggle, I'll never toggle it. I'm not against the toggle but you all should remember this is your opinion which others might not share. YOU might think it's not aesthetically pleasing but I think they add a lot of character and style to otherwise bland and straightforward designs.

Besides... Tassets on armor IS historically accurate for Tamriel. ESO is the earliest game in the timeline of the TES series, so we are actually IN the historical era for TES... You cannot argue that Tassets are not historically accurate for Tamriel... you just can't.

You don't like them... that's fine. You want toggles. That's fine too. Just don't try to justify it with shaky reasoning based on our history coupled with opinions presented as facts.

CamBam370 · February 2016

Speely wrote: »

CamBam370 wrote: »

Can we please not talk about this , we need too fix the actual game before you give zos more stupid tweak ideas.

Other people want different things than you do. Welcome to MMOs. Fixing abilities and improving performance/balance are not mutually exclusive to providing better cosmetic options. Hint: the artists are not responsible for balancing classes.

Have fun playing a broken game

Speely · February 2016

CamBam370 wrote: »

Speely wrote: »

CamBam370 wrote: »

Can we please not talk about this , we need too fix the actual game before you give zos more stupid tweak ideas.

Other people want different things than you do. Welcome to MMOs. Fixing abilities and improving performance/balance are not mutually exclusive to providing better cosmetic options. Hint: the artists are not responsible for balancing classes.

Have fun playing a broken game

Again, artists do not balance PvP or tweak class mechanics. I have a laundry list of fundamental mechanics I would like to see worked on and addressed in a serious fashion. Literally none of these issues will ever be the responsibility of employees responsible for creating art assets for the crown store. But if you want to believe that there is some weird subset of ZOS employees that are the primary artists and also code combat mechanics, go ahead.

BlueViolet · February 2016

I find tassets annoying and unnecessary and wish they could be hidden or removed by the player. I also can't stand some shoulder styles that are almost bigger than some characters heads. Some of them look as if they would crush your char's head like a walnut if they raised their arms.

ShadowHvo · February 2016

CamBam370 wrote: »

Speely wrote: »

CamBam370 wrote: »

Can we please not talk about this , we need too fix the actual game before you give zos more stupid tweak ideas.

Other people want different things than you do. Welcome to MMOs. Fixing abilities and improving performance/balance are not mutually exclusive to providing better cosmetic options. Hint: the artists are not responsible for balancing classes.

Have fun playing a broken game

Thats a very subjective statement.

We want toggles because many of us find these buttflaps and crotchflaps annoying, and visually unappealing. That too, is a subjective statement, because it is a matter of preference.

But as Speely wrote, it is very unlikely to be the same people working on game balancing and armor visuals, from what little experience I have in the game industry, it is far more likely that they have seperate teams for each game segment.

I do believe Zenimax confirmed this earlier, however I can't quite the bothered to go on a search for it, so take it for what you will good sir!

#NoMoreFlaps!

ShadowHvo · February 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Comparing ESO armor to real armor for accuracy is like comparing Dragons to Dinosaurs.

The only actual viable reason for being against the flaps is you don't like them, which is a perfectly legitimate reason to want to see them removed.

Mostly. I think they should be attached to the belt.

#TassetsOnBelts

But when its neither historically accurate nor aesthetically pleasing not much reason for keeping it.
All for making it optional or having more motifs with different styles since choice is nearly always good but the floating bits need to be redone or removed.

I like the tassets... If they add a toggle, I'll never toggle it. I'm not against the toggle but you all should remember this is your opinion which others might not share. YOU might think it's not aesthetically pleasing but I think they add a lot of character and style to otherwise bland and straightforward designs.

Besides... Tassets on armor IS historically accurate for Tamriel. ESO is the earliest game in the timeline of the TES series, so we are actually IN the historical era for TES... You cannot argue that Tassets are not historically accurate for Tamriel... you just can't.

You don't like them... that's fine. You want toggles. That's fine too. Just don't try to justify it with shaky reasoning based on our history coupled with opinions presented as facts.

I'm fairly certain none in this thread has stated that -everybody- hates flaps, hence why the very title of the thread is about a toggle, so we the players can choose ourselves.

Normally this wouldn't even be an issue, but it becomes so when they keep smacking flaps on every piece of armor.

For me, its the Outlaw medium that made the cut. We have always been promised this awesome "nightingale"'isque thief armor, which eventually was turned worse because of the newly addition of a flap, which previously wasn't there before.

I will steal @Blackers example here for a moment:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2687618/#Comment_2687618

This, is the armor I speak of. To me, and quite a few others by the sound of it, the entire chestpiece is ruined because of that whoppy addition of a flap, which nearly turns the medium thief armor into a dress, instead of the awesome leather Nightingale replica armor we've been promised since launch of the game.

I'm not even kidding you when I say that I've been waiting nearly two years for this armor. I wish I could say I was, but I ain't.

Iove · February 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Comparing ESO armor to real armor for accuracy is like comparing Dragons to Dinosaurs.

The only actual viable reason for being against the flaps is you don't like them, which is a perfectly legitimate reason to want to see them removed.

Mostly. I think they should be attached to the belt.

#TassetsOnBelts

But when its neither historically accurate nor aesthetically pleasing not much reason for keeping it.
All for making it optional or having more motifs with different styles since choice is nearly always good but the floating bits need to be redone or removed.

^ this.

Seriously. THIS.

The bits are just floating there!!! Please someone, tell me how it's either historically accurate or aesthetically pleasing to see the 2 side bits floating 3-4 inches away from your leg, completely in mid air. I really wish those flaps would float away and leave me alone every time I log in. Never saw something so hideous in any other game, and it only gets worse if your char is actually in motion...

Volkodav · February 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Some armors they look great, I like the Roman legion influences on a lot of them but some of them look like those dorky fluff skirts people wear in public over their pants/shorts. Let's not even mention the horrible clipping either

Besides, those flaps protect vital parts. As annoying as it was the "groin armor" has a very important role.

Eso armor is decorative anyway, and would be useless in real combat. Or even not possible to put on, like metal altmer leggings.

A long long time ago,people wore just clothing for their armor.Leather,including those front and rear flaps for protection.They didnt use Medieval metal armor way back then.It was normally the Military in Medieval times who got that type of armor.
Most couldnt afford more than the clothes they wore,or fur and leather.
Also,some of ESO's armor is based on real armor,especially the Imperial armor.And it WAS usefull.

Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying, but no offense: you dont really know what you're talking about. Armor styles from eso are mostly really useless, and in some cases could cause horrible and painful death.
Its not like you could just put on random metal stuff irl and be protected. Armor should offer protection, but in real life being able to move is also kinda important
All these decorations and flaps in eso would be useless burden in real life. All those giant shoulder pads, spikes and everything. If you ever saw real armor, you might notice that its much more sleek and shoulder/neck part looks much more different. Even on fancy jousting/ceremonial examples (and keep in mind that average warrior's equipment was much more simplistic than some king's ceremonial outfit).
Hip parts on full plate armor were constructed in compelely different manner as well. Because you know, knights rode horses and can you imagine riding horse with solid metal loicloth, like on eso xivkyn armor? Yeah, there are kinda simular tassets designs, but keyword is "kinda". In real life those parts were much smaller and also compound... Eso heavy armors usually have solid chunks of metal which is in no way realistic or protective.
Not to mention that combat in this game is ridiculous from historical standpoint. Since we're talking about protection, try to equip sword and shield on your eso char and try to do some normal attacks. The way our character mindlessly swings his/hear shield (leaving their torso and head exposed) kinda defeats the point of using a shield at all. And I wont even get started on 2 handed animations... If eso char could meet a real medieval swordmaster, the only way to kill that swordmaster would be making him laught himself to his death.

P.S. Also when people used to wear armor, no one in their right mind would put on a cuirass without some clothes underneath it. So eso's skin tight heavy cuirasses are really weird.

I dont know what I am talking about? Jeez. Can you reread what I said please.I stated that those METAL flaps werent used.However,the LEATHER ones were. Just as you commented in your need to be precise.
And the Imperial armor IS based on real armor.BASED,not exactly.I never said either that ESO armor was useful in real life.THAT would be one silly remark.

I said eso armor is purely decorative, because, well, it is. Just like "knight" costumes for Halloween. Also, comparing real armor pieces to eso's random metal chunks doesnt make any sense imo. Tbh, I dont think eso art team used any historical references at all.
As for Imperial armor... Its not even based, in fact. Heavy helmet looks somewhat like ancient Corinthian helm (not Roman), and the only thing in imperial style that is loosely "Roman" is 1-handed sword. So, "some of ESO's armor is based on real armor,especially the Imperial armor.And it WAS usefull" statement is inaccurate.

That's just your opinion. I've seen real Roman armor and it resembled Imperial armor quite a bit.The cuirass,with the leather straps hanging down,etc. If you would like to see what I am referencing,go to the Victoria and Albert Museum,in London.They have Roman armor displayed there.Both metal and leather.It is rather tattered with immense age,but it is there nonetheless.
Also,as to it being useless,well,in real life,sure.But this isnt real life we're going on about.It's a game.
Oh,and the Imperial cuirass does have clothing under it.There is a short sleeve tunic.

MornaBaine · February 2016

Blackers wrote: »

I made a post about this on the PTS forum.

They went ahead and added flaps to the outlaw armor when it looked so much better without.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246648/crotch-and-butt-flaps-need-to-stop#latest

The flappy nonsense needs to stop

#nomoreflaps

OMG I can't believe how much BETTER that armor looks WITHOUT the stupid front flap! Seriously ZOS, knock it off with those! And until you can figure out how to make shoulders and hip flaps look like they are actually ATTACHED to the armor GIVE US THE OPTION TO TOGGLE THEM OFF PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't even begin to tell you how stupidly annoying all this is. If you lack the know-how to make this stuff work properly JUST DON'T DO IT.

#nomoreflaps

Tabbycat · February 2016

The developers noticed how much everyone was talking about hipflaps so they all decided it would be a great idea to add more flaps.

Iove · February 2016

Tabbycat wrote: »

The developers noticed how much everyone was talking about hipflaps so they all decided it would be a great idea to add more flaps.

- insert crying with laughter face -

but really, for a game with such pretty maps all the characters look like trash.

High Elves were supposed to have style lmao.

ShadowHvo · February 2016

Tabbycat wrote: »

The developers noticed how much everyone was talking about hipflaps so they all decided it would be a great idea to add more flaps.

I could cry )=

Attackopsn · February 2016

This is the most relevant post ever, was just crafting armor a couple days ago and could not help but think how much cooler many styles would be if you could hide the flaps! Lol

MornaBaine · February 2016

Could someone please tell me which robe this is? I really like it!

ShadowHvo · March 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Could someone please tell me which robe this is? I really like it!

I'm pretty sure that is the light akaviri robe.
http://eso-fashion.com/akaviri-cotton/

Lucius_Aelius · March 2016

Bump, #nomoreflaps

MornaBaine · March 2016

The flaps have to go! #nomoreflaps indeed!

Iove · March 2016

Forever in outfits that have no flaps, please save me from this nightmare...

MycroftJr · September 2018

Toggleable or no flaps!
#nomoreflaps

MornaBaine · September 2018

Flaps (behind flaps, crotch flaps, and hip flaps!) and shoulder pieces. And while we're add it... the stupid huge neck coverings that ruin the neckline of every gown or robe in existence. Seriously, we're begging you here. Less is more.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · September 2018

How the hell did this thread go from talking about the flaps to a history lesson on real armor, when the armor in-game is in a fantasy world where gryphons, werewolves, vampires and the like exist?

rexagamemnon · September 2018

I think being able to remove the "flaps" on the hips would be a good idea to. The imperial heavy armor at the rubedite level is awesome but the flames on the hip stick out so much it make my character look like he has chicken legs

kind_hero · September 2018

Volkodav wrote: »

This is the only time I have heard anyone wanting this.Well,..once before.But not a lot of people call for it.Personally,I dont mind the flaps.I prefer them to the plain look without them.Some armor doesnt have flaps,and it makes my Char look like he has no shape.Just straight down.

odd... so the shape of a humanoid char is not complete without some flaps that float around the hips?

1) most armor styles feature flaps, so no problem for you here
2) perhaps you made you char to thin from sliders (typical issue with people who only focused on the face of their char and left the rest to default)

My issue with flaps is that they are not connected to the chest piece or leggings, they float. The other flaps are also weird, they serve no purpose.

Chronocidal · September 2018

+1 for flap toggles .... butt, crotch and hip

zaria · September 2018

Khajiit and Argonians don't have but flaps

The hip flaps is that annoys me most as many are large or worse floating.

Shraar · September 2018

Oh what a wonderful idea!

While we are at it, I would also like to suggest a "Hide Belt" option, similar to the "Hide Helmet" option.

I understand why the Hide Helmet option is more important.

But the Belts in this game look strange, like large belly-button piercings: they aren't even belts! Very strange!

I would want to get rid of them!

As for flaps, I also notice on certain armor sets how strange and unecessary they look.

That strange look problem is exacerbated when they are floating at your sides and visibly detached from your legs while you run!

Very strange indeed!