Harassment. Is there anything to be done about it?

wiltedrose · February 2016

Same as what others say, report and wait I guess.

I had a similar issue last night of being followed around whilst questing in Cheydinhal (even where quests took you out of the immediate area), with a guy using the guffaw command and tea bagging whenever I stopped. I dealt with it for half an hour before getting so frustrated that I cried

He told my friend it was because we 'stole their guild trader'. Fantastic mate, can't recall anyone actually 'owning' one..

istateres · February 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

OK, as an example. I had 4 different screenshots of the same player teabagging me in PVP over a two day period. I was not the only one who reported him as I know at least three of my group reported him as well. I included in my report that I was a victim of *** as a child and it was traumatic. I didn't see the player for a few weeks. I did see him again and guess who doesn't teabag anymore. I call that a victory.

Honestly if you are traumatised by a set of pixels standing up and sitting down, you really shouldn't be playing on computer games!!!!

Honestly, if you are totally insensitive to others you shouldn't be posting in the forums.

Personnally I find nothing offensive about it, can you explain why it's offensive.

Your whole premise is that this is tea bagging, please take a look in the Urban Dictionary for a description, it would be very obvious that can't actually happen in this video game. So it's just a case of how the individual is actually thinking about it themselves, so if they thought of it as, it actually is, which is a group of pixels moving up and down they can't take offense.

Whilst I sympathise with their history, I do not see it as insensitive to meantion that Pixels are just Pixels. Some of the themes within the game are quite dark in some instances and may also cause trauma to others, would you suggest they are removed from the game to avoid offense to them...

I suggest you read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/23/sports/pro-football-throat-gesture-faces-ban-by-nfl.html

That's one of MANY examples of actions that are considered offensive, even though they are ONLY Light, just Light. Even though it's just a bunch of light moving across your photo receptors people DO take offense. A sensitive individual would understand that. An insensitive one still believes the old erronious adage, "Sticks and Stone will break my bones but names will never harm me."

Volkodav · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Just log out and log back in in a couple of minutes.Jeez.And I've read this and commented way back near the start of this thread.

And yet you've still completely missed the point. Your "solution" will never work when you have a large group of people gathered in an area for an event. And the larger point is that no one should have to resort to that. The person who is in the wrong, the troll, should be the one removed and sanctioned. In lieu of that, a visual as well as chat /ignore feature would take care of the problem with no further requirement from ZoS to enforce the terms of their own TOS.

Well if you have a large group,no,it wouldnt work. This thread didnt start as a "group" problem.It was one player attacking one other. My solution WILL work for what was posted by the OP.
For those of you who have massive problems from sexual harrassment,..carry on with your comments.

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Cherryblossom · February 2016

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

OK, as an example. I had 4 different screenshots of the same player teabagging me in PVP over a two day period. I was not the only one who reported him as I know at least three of my group reported him as well. I included in my report that I was a victim of *** as a child and it was traumatic. I didn't see the player for a few weeks. I did see him again and guess who doesn't teabag anymore. I call that a victory.

Honestly if you are traumatised by a set of pixels standing up and sitting down, you really shouldn't be playing on computer games!!!!

Honestly, if you are totally insensitive to others you shouldn't be posting in the forums.

Personnally I find nothing offensive about it, can you explain why it's offensive.

Your whole premise is that this is tea bagging, please take a look in the Urban Dictionary for a description, it would be very obvious that can't actually happen in this video game. So it's just a case of how the individual is actually thinking about it themselves, so if they thought of it as, it actually is, which is a group of pixels moving up and down they can't take offense.

Whilst I sympathise with their history, I do not see it as insensitive to meantion that Pixels are just Pixels. Some of the themes within the game are quite dark in some instances and may also cause trauma to others, would you suggest they are removed from the game to avoid offense to them...

I suggest you read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/23/sports/pro-football-throat-gesture-faces-ban-by-nfl.html

That's one of MANY examples of actions that are considered offensive, even though they are ONLY Light, just Light. Even though it's just a bunch of light moving across your photo receptors people DO take offense. A sensitive individual would understand that. An insensitive one still believes the old erronious adage, "Sticks and Stone will break my bones but names will never harm me."

@istateres
We have a sport similar too American Football, but a lot more physical in Europe called Rugby, one of the best teams in the world called the All Blacks start each match with the "Haka" this is a display which is meant to intimidate. This is a part of a physical game, the idea with any physical is to make your opposition scared, or to enrage them into mistakes, it's part of being competitive.
Whilst for some this is offensive, I would imagine most would take it with a pinch of salt.

This is the issue you are missing, just because one person finds something offensive doesn't mean something should be banned. I find many things offensive and repugent, but I don't believe I have the right to have it removed because this is an opinion I have.

It's strange how you are in your own way harassing me by making out I'm insensitive, but you don't actually find this offensive!

Volkodav · February 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

OK, as an example. I had 4 different screenshots of the same player teabagging me in PVP over a two day period. I was not the only one who reported him as I know at least three of my group reported him as well. I included in my report that I was a victim of *** as a child and it was traumatic. I didn't see the player for a few weeks. I did see him again and guess who doesn't teabag anymore. I call that a victory.

Honestly if you are traumatised by a set of pixels standing up and sitting down, you really shouldn't be playing on computer games!!!!

Honestly, if you are totally insensitive to others you shouldn't be posting in the forums.

Personnally I find nothing offensive about it, can you explain why it's offensive.

Your whole premise is that this is tea bagging, please take a look in the Urban Dictionary for a description, it would be very obvious that can't actually happen in this video game. So it's just a case of how the individual is actually thinking about it themselves, so if they thought of it as, it actually is, which is a group of pixels moving up and down they can't take offense.

Whilst I sympathise with their history, I do not see it as insensitive to meantion that Pixels are just Pixels. Some of the themes within the game are quite dark in some instances and may also cause trauma to others, would you suggest they are removed from the game to avoid offense to them...

I suggest you read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/23/sports/pro-football-throat-gesture-faces-ban-by-nfl.html

That's one of MANY examples of actions that are considered offensive, even though they are ONLY Light, just Light. Even though it's just a bunch of light moving across your photo receptors people DO take offense. A sensitive individual would understand that. An insensitive one still believes the old erronious adage, "Sticks and Stone will break my bones but names will never harm me."

@istateres
We have a sport similar too American Football, but a lot more physical in Europe called Rugby, one of the best teams in the world called the All Blacks start each match with the "Haka" this is a display which is meant to intimidate. This is a part of a physical game, the idea with any physical is to make your opposition scared, or to enrage them into mistakes, it's part of being competitive.
Whilst for some this is offensive, I would imagine most would take it with a pinch of salt.

This is the issue you are missing, just because one person finds something offensive doesn't mean something should be banned. I find many things offensive and repugent, but I don't believe I have the right to have it removed because this is an opinion I have.

It's strange how you are in your own way harassing me by making out I'm insensitive, but you don't actually find this offensive!

Well said here.I am with you in that just because I find something repugnant,I have no right to demand it's removal.Not at all.I find those idiotic Dorks running around in black bikinis repugnant,but who am I to nay say them.

Rykoth · February 2016

This really is a black and white issue.

Follow the code.

DBAD

Don't. Be. A. D*ck.

I realize this is the internet and people love to be anonymous and act like they don't IRL. But some people log on because their IRL is full of morons and idiots bothering them at their job or at home. They want to have fun. Intentionally souring someone else's fun - harassment or otherwise - is violating this above code.

That, and it makes you about as mature as the 12 year olds shouting racial epithets on Xbox Live/PSN. Don't do that.

Hope499 · February 2016

This topic apparently cant die lol.

Messages, sexual or otherwise harassing, you keep and report, and get that person in ***. If its over ESO, take a screen shot and save it and get them in ***. If it merits a ban, then even better, people like that are better off not playing.

but...following you around?!?!?!

I dont know...if a virtual character is following you around in a virtual world, doing virtual animations.....

It really shouldn't be that hard to ignore and shrug off....I mean cmon.

So WHAT if its a big group? Go do something else for 20 min and come back

If anyone's response is:

"Well that means they win if I have to leave"

Then its NOT an issue with harassment, its an issue with your PRIDE, and who wins or losses.

If you actually felt harassed, this wouldn't be an issue. But its not harassment, its pride, its you wanting to "win" over the troll.

Necroing this topic every few days, asking ZOS to fix it, is getting a tad silly, its not ZOS fault or responsibility, you can fix it yourself if it merits it.

DenMoria · February 2016

You ran in to one of the few that is horrible that way.

It used to be much worse, way back, but it is something that those of us in MMOs deal with unfortunately and there really isn't much that can be done. It is a public space after all and all you can do is report it.

At a certain point, it got so bad that I turned off the voice and sound options completely as it got so offensive.

Please don't let this one bad experience color your view of ESO. 99% of us are great and would never do anything like that.

LiquidSchwartz · February 2016

Yeah it's annoying but relish in the fact that he's a kiss less nerdgin

MornaBaine · February 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I really do hope that Zeni is going to start taking this issue seriously and that they will finally admit that their current "system" is wholly inadequate. And then actually do something about it.

you mean ignoring a person so they can never contact you again is not enough? What exactly do you propose, may be a test before people are allowed to buy the game!

Hello newcomer who has obviously not read through the thread and does not understand the problem. Yes, we have the chat /ignore option and that's excellent and important. What we DON'T have is a visual ignore option and that is what is needed. Because harassment is just as likely to take the form of someone following you around and spamming all their loudest and most flashy abilities, disrupting your gameplay and experience, not to mention your enjoyment of a product you've paid for just like them. That's the issue I am asking ZOS to address. Not only do we need the ability to never see their chat again, we need the ability to never SEE THEM again.

Actually read this, but obviously you haven't, if someone is following you use a wayshrine they won't be able to follow you!

Whilst it's annoying to have someone like this (I've never seen it in any game), you have options to distance yourself from them yourself, you just have to choose to use them.

Actually, yeah, I DID read that "solution" and responded to it.
1. No one should HAVE to flee a person who is breaking TOS and harassing them.
2. This is impractical when you have an event going on with several people. 15+ people should not have to flee to wayshrines and move their event elsewhere because 3 whankpuffins show up and decide to ruin it for everyone.

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[Edited for bait]

nimander99 · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

whankpuffins

Best word ever!

DenMoria · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I really do hope that Zeni is going to start taking this issue seriously and that they will finally admit that their current "system" is wholly inadequate. And then actually do something about it.

you mean ignoring a person so they can never contact you again is not enough? What exactly do you propose, may be a test before people are allowed to buy the game!

Hello newcomer who has obviously not read through the thread and does not understand the problem. Yes, we have the chat /ignore option and that's excellent and important. What we DON'T have is a visual ignore option and that is what is needed. Because harassment is just as likely to take the form of someone following you around and spamming all their loudest and most flashy abilities, disrupting your gameplay and experience, not to mention your enjoyment of a product you've paid for just like them. That's the issue I am asking ZOS to address. Not only do we need the ability to never see their chat again, we need the ability to never SEE THEM again.

Actually read this, but obviously you haven't, if someone is following you use a wayshrine they won't be able to follow you!

Whilst it's annoying to have someone like this (I've never seen it in any game), you have options to distance yourself from them yourself, you just have to choose to use them.

Actually, yeah, I DID read that "solution" and responded to it.
1. No one should HAVE to flee a person who is breaking TOS and harassing them.
2. This is impractical when you have an event going on with several people. 15+ people should not have to flee to wayshrines and move their event elsewhere because 3 whankpuffins show up and decide to ruin it for everyone.

Are you someplace where you can just kill them? I mean there are 15 of you. Squash 'em like bugs! That'll show 'em.

I had one guy following around my Altmer Gal (we were a group of 4) in Cyrodil one time who just wouldn't leave us alone. Such a tool. I guess my friend put up with it for as long as she could and then couldn't take it any more. Apparently, even a V14 Templar can't handle 4 pissed-off sorceresses. I don't think we saw him again.

I also have a bad tendency to hunt down people who honk me off in PvP areas with my Dunmer. They get so upset when I blind side them.

[minor edit to remove quote]

MornaBaine · February 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

whankpuffins

Best word ever!

Full disclosure: I stole it from someone making fun of Donald Trump. It's my favorite new word this week!

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

A world where 'thick skin' is hard to come by and 'Political correctness' rules.

MornaBaine · February 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

A world where 'thick skin' is hard to come by and 'Political correctness' rules.

I think you've missed the entire point of the thread. Having the ignore feature for chat does in fact take care of the surprising number of "people" who refuse to act like decent human beings and who habitually break the very TOS and Code of Conduct they signed and agreed to, meaning they are honorless people whose word means nothing. So I thank ZoS for that. But they need to take the next step, which is finding a way to implement a visual ignore feature so that those same players, denied the ability to spew whatever vileness enters what passes for their minds, cannot resort to endlessly spamming loud flashy abilities in order to disrupt and destroy the gamplay and enjoyment of others. It's not, at the end of the day, a matter of being thin skinned or politically correct. It's the, not at all unreasonable, expectation that we all be able to just play the game without having jerks do their level best to ruin it for us and drive us away from it. The technology exists for them to do exactly that. They just need to do it.

Cherryblossom · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

A world where 'thick skin' is hard to come by and 'Political correctness' rules.

I think you've missed the entire point of the thread. Having the ignore feature for chat does in fact take care of the surprising number of "people" who refuse to act like decent human beings and who habitually break the very TOS and Code of Conduct they signed and agreed to, meaning they are honorless people whose word means nothing. So I thank ZoS for that. But they need to take the next step, which is finding a way to implement a visual ignore feature so that those same players, denied the ability to spew whatever vileness enters what passes for their minds, cannot resort to endlessly spamming loud flashy abilities in order to disrupt and destroy the gamplay and enjoyment of others. It's not, at the end of the day, a matter of being thin skinned or politically correct. It's the, not at all unreasonable, expectation that we all be able to just play the game without having jerks do their level best to ruin it for us and drive us away from it. The technology exists for them to do exactly that. They just need to do it.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I really do hope that Zeni is going to start taking this issue seriously and that they will finally admit that their current "system" is wholly inadequate. And then actually do something about it.

you mean ignoring a person so they can never contact you again is not enough? What exactly do you propose, may be a test before people are allowed to buy the game!

Hello newcomer who has obviously not read through the thread and does not understand the problem. Yes, we have the chat /ignore option and that's excellent and important. What we DON'T have is a visual ignore option and that is what is needed. Because harassment is just as likely to take the form of someone following you around and spamming all their loudest and most flashy abilities, disrupting your gameplay and experience, not to mention your enjoyment of a product you've paid for just like them. That's the issue I am asking ZOS to address. Not only do we need the ability to never see their chat again, we need the ability to never SEE THEM again.

Actually read this, but obviously you haven't, if someone is following you use a wayshrine they won't be able to follow you!

Whilst it's annoying to have someone like this (I've never seen it in any game), you have options to distance yourself from them yourself, you just have to choose to use them.

Actually, yeah, I DID read that "solution" and responded to it.
1. No one should HAVE to flee a person who is breaking TOS and harassing them.
2. This is impractical when you have an event going on with several people. 15+ people should not have to flee to wayshrines and move their event elsewhere because 3 whankpuffins show up and decide to ruin it for everyone.

As already mentioned, proving that someone is breaking code of conduct is Subjective. Someone spaming a skill in an area where you happen to be is not breaking this code. You may feel they are doing this to grief you, whereas they may just be testing their skills, seeing how long their resources last. (i'm not saying this is whats happening, I quite believe there are people who would find it amusing to interupt your gathering.)

1. I agree that you shouldn't have to flee someone Harassing you, however I also believe there should always be a proper investigation before any individual is banned or removed. This means we can never remove someone straight away!
This is an MMO which when there is enough people in one area there will be more than one instance, so in these cases it may be possible to put you in a different instance to them. Sadly I believe the population is no longer large enough for there to be multiple instances, so for your request, to be fair you should then be put in an instance where there is no one else!

2. As mentioned once you have ignored the person, you will no longer see any messages. then only other thing you will see is graphical displays, ignore the person(s) and continue your roleplay or use it in your roleplay. Just like in RL there will be WhankPuffins around when your trying to relax with friends.

MornaBaine · February 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

A world where 'thick skin' is hard to come by and 'Political correctness' rules.

I think you've missed the entire point of the thread. Having the ignore feature for chat does in fact take care of the surprising number of "people" who refuse to act like decent human beings and who habitually break the very TOS and Code of Conduct they signed and agreed to, meaning they are honorless people whose word means nothing. So I thank ZoS for that. But they need to take the next step, which is finding a way to implement a visual ignore feature so that those same players, denied the ability to spew whatever vileness enters what passes for their minds, cannot resort to endlessly spamming loud flashy abilities in order to disrupt and destroy the gamplay and enjoyment of others. It's not, at the end of the day, a matter of being thin skinned or politically correct. It's the, not at all unreasonable, expectation that we all be able to just play the game without having jerks do their level best to ruin it for us and drive us away from it. The technology exists for them to do exactly that. They just need to do it.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I really do hope that Zeni is going to start taking this issue seriously and that they will finally admit that their current "system" is wholly inadequate. And then actually do something about it.

you mean ignoring a person so they can never contact you again is not enough? What exactly do you propose, may be a test before people are allowed to buy the game!

Hello newcomer who has obviously not read through the thread and does not understand the problem. Yes, we have the chat /ignore option and that's excellent and important. What we DON'T have is a visual ignore option and that is what is needed. Because harassment is just as likely to take the form of someone following you around and spamming all their loudest and most flashy abilities, disrupting your gameplay and experience, not to mention your enjoyment of a product you've paid for just like them. That's the issue I am asking ZOS to address. Not only do we need the ability to never see their chat again, we need the ability to never SEE THEM again.

Actually read this, but obviously you haven't, if someone is following you use a wayshrine they won't be able to follow you!

Whilst it's annoying to have someone like this (I've never seen it in any game), you have options to distance yourself from them yourself, you just have to choose to use them.

Actually, yeah, I DID read that "solution" and responded to it.
1. No one should HAVE to flee a person who is breaking TOS and harassing them.
2. This is impractical when you have an event going on with several people. 15+ people should not have to flee to wayshrines and move their event elsewhere because 3 whankpuffins show up and decide to ruin it for everyone.

Keep up.

As already mentioned, proving that someone is breaking code of conduct is Subjective. Someone spaming a skill in an area where you happen to be is not breaking this code. You may feel they are doing this to grief you, whereas they may just be testing their skills, seeing how long their resources last. (i'm not saying this is whats happening, I quite believe there are people who would find it amusing to interupt your gathering.)

1. I agree that you shouldn't have to flee someone Harassing you, however I also believe there should always be a proper investigation before any individual is banned or removed. This means we can never remove someone straight away!
This is an MMO which when there is enough people in one area there will be more than one instance, so in these cases it may be possible to put you in a different instance to them. Sadly I believe the population is no longer large enough for there to be multiple instances, so for your request, to be fair you should then be put in an instance where there is no one else!

If we cannot, for some reason, have a visual ignore feature, I would be satisfied with being able to choose an instance. However for this to reasonably work what would need to happen is that someone chooses a location and then has the option to choose something like Enter Group Instance and then only those people in the group could enter the instance. However, off the top of my head, I cannot recall the max number of people you can have in an instance. It would literally need to NOT have a limit for this to be workable. This would then make it so that RP events could be scheduled and held privately so that they could NOT be interrupted. This, in conjunction with a Change Instance feature so that anyone could, at any time, "leave" where they are being harassed while not ACTUALLY leaving the area at all would somewhat solve the problem. However, the Visual Ignore for specific players is STILL the best possible option.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

2. As mentioned once you have ignored the person, you will no longer see any messages. then only other thing you will see is graphical displays, ignore the person(s) and continue your roleplay or use it in your roleplay. Just like in RL there will be WhankPuffins around when your trying to relax with friends.

You've obviously never been at an RP event being griefed by multiple players. They CAN and DO make it impossible to ignore them and carry on with what you are doing. So it's still clear to me that you don't really understand the problem, and apparently don't want to.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

A world where 'thick skin' is hard to come by and 'Political correctness' rules.

I think you've missed the entire point of the thread. Having the ignore feature for chat does in fact take care of the surprising number of "people" who refuse to act like decent human beings and who habitually break the very TOS and Code of Conduct they signed and agreed to, meaning they are honorless people whose word means nothing. So I thank ZoS for that. But they need to take the next step, which is finding a way to implement a visual ignore feature so that those same players, denied the ability to spew whatever vileness enters what passes for their minds, cannot resort to endlessly spamming loud flashy abilities in order to disrupt and destroy the gamplay and enjoyment of others. It's not, at the end of the day, a matter of being thin skinned or politically correct. It's the, not at all unreasonable, expectation that we all be able to just play the game without having jerks do their level best to ruin it for us and drive us away from it. The technology exists for them to do exactly that. They just need to do it.

No, I didn't miss the point. I think requesting their character not be shown around you is a waste of resources - if it's even possible on shard technology (then you'll be having those events where resource nodes and chests are being looted by invisible people and you won't know why)

We have ignore, and it works.

Cherryblossom · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

A world where 'thick skin' is hard to come by and 'Political correctness' rules.

I think you've missed the entire point of the thread. Having the ignore feature for chat does in fact take care of the surprising number of "people" who refuse to act like decent human beings and who habitually break the very TOS and Code of Conduct they signed and agreed to, meaning they are honorless people whose word means nothing. So I thank ZoS for that. But they need to take the next step, which is finding a way to implement a visual ignore feature so that those same players, denied the ability to spew whatever vileness enters what passes for their minds, cannot resort to endlessly spamming loud flashy abilities in order to disrupt and destroy the gamplay and enjoyment of others. It's not, at the end of the day, a matter of being thin skinned or politically correct. It's the, not at all unreasonable, expectation that we all be able to just play the game without having jerks do their level best to ruin it for us and drive us away from it. The technology exists for them to do exactly that. They just need to do it.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I really do hope that Zeni is going to start taking this issue seriously and that they will finally admit that their current "system" is wholly inadequate. And then actually do something about it.

you mean ignoring a person so they can never contact you again is not enough? What exactly do you propose, may be a test before people are allowed to buy the game!

Hello newcomer who has obviously not read through the thread and does not understand the problem. Yes, we have the chat /ignore option and that's excellent and important. What we DON'T have is a visual ignore option and that is what is needed. Because harassment is just as likely to take the form of someone following you around and spamming all their loudest and most flashy abilities, disrupting your gameplay and experience, not to mention your enjoyment of a product you've paid for just like them. That's the issue I am asking ZOS to address. Not only do we need the ability to never see their chat again, we need the ability to never SEE THEM again.

Actually read this, but obviously you haven't, if someone is following you use a wayshrine they won't be able to follow you!

Whilst it's annoying to have someone like this (I've never seen it in any game), you have options to distance yourself from them yourself, you just have to choose to use them.

Actually, yeah, I DID read that "solution" and responded to it.
1. No one should HAVE to flee a person who is breaking TOS and harassing them.
2. This is impractical when you have an event going on with several people. 15+ people should not have to flee to wayshrines and move their event elsewhere because 3 whankpuffins show up and decide to ruin it for everyone.

Keep up.

As already mentioned, proving that someone is breaking code of conduct is Subjective. Someone spaming a skill in an area where you happen to be is not breaking this code. You may feel they are doing this to grief you, whereas they may just be testing their skills, seeing how long their resources last. (i'm not saying this is whats happening, I quite believe there are people who would find it amusing to interupt your gathering.)

1. I agree that you shouldn't have to flee someone Harassing you, however I also believe there should always be a proper investigation before any individual is banned or removed. This means we can never remove someone straight away!
This is an MMO which when there is enough people in one area there will be more than one instance, so in these cases it may be possible to put you in a different instance to them. Sadly I believe the population is no longer large enough for there to be multiple instances, so for your request, to be fair you should then be put in an instance where there is no one else!

If we cannot, for some reason, have a visual ignore feature, I would be satisfied with being able to choose an instance. However for this to reasonably work what would need to happen is that someone chooses a location and then has the option to choose something like Enter Group Instance and then only those people in the group could enter the instance. However, off the top of my head, I cannot recall the max number of people you can have in an instance. It would literally need to NOT have a limit for this to be workable. This would then make it so that RP events could be scheduled and held privately so that they could NOT be interrupted. This, in conjunction with a Change Instance feature so that anyone could, at any time, "leave" where they are being harassed while not ACTUALLY leaving the area at all would somewhat solve the problem. However, the Visual Ignore for specific players is STILL the best possible option.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

2. As mentioned once you have ignored the person, you will no longer see any messages. then only other thing you will see is graphical displays, ignore the person(s) and continue your roleplay or use it in your roleplay. Just like in RL there will be WhankPuffins around when your trying to relax with friends.

You've obviously never been at an RP event being griefed by multiple players. They CAN and DO make it impossible to ignore them and carry on with what you are doing. So it's still clear to me that you don't really understand the problem, and apparently don't want to.

Quite the opposite I sympathise with the issue you face and understand that you could indeed be interupted by said issues.
However the solution of simply turning off all effects is unworkable within an MMO.

For RP events in the future if you're lucky ZOS may implement housing or Guild halls where you will be able to partake in said events without interuption.

But the thread is regarding individuals being harassed in which case as I have stated it is necessary for them to take steps themselves to either protect or remove themselves from the situation, as ZOS in this case needs to investigate properly before taking action.

Lysette · February 2016

It is not unworkable, it could be a simple client-side filter which just does not render that character in question and effects coming from him. The user of such a filter would have to take into account, that some things in the world might seem to happen miraculously - like a chest disappearing in front your eyes, because a visually ignored player has just unlocked it and taken the loot. This is the only downside of it, it would not be too complicate to implement this.

DenMoria · February 2016

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

OK, as an example. I had 4 different screenshots of the same player teabagging me in PVP over a two day period. I was not the only one who reported him as I know at least three of my group reported him as well. I included in my report that I was a victim of *** as a child and it was traumatic. I didn't see the player for a few weeks. I did see him again and guess who doesn't teabag anymore. I call that a victory.

Honestly if you are traumatised by a set of pixels standing up and sitting down, you really shouldn't be playing on computer games!!!!

Honestly, if you are totally insensitive to others you shouldn't be posting in the forums.

Personnally I find nothing offensive about it, can you explain why it's offensive.

Your whole premise is that this is tea bagging, please take a look in the Urban Dictionary for a description, it would be very obvious that can't actually happen in this video game. So it's just a case of how the individual is actually thinking about it themselves, so if they thought of it as, it actually is, which is a group of pixels moving up and down they can't take offense.

Whilst I sympathise with their history, I do not see it as insensitive to meantion that Pixels are just Pixels. Some of the themes within the game are quite dark in some instances and may also cause trauma to others, would you suggest they are removed from the game to avoid offense to them...

I suggest you read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/23/sports/pro-football-throat-gesture-faces-ban-by-nfl.html

That's one of MANY examples of actions that are considered offensive, even though they are ONLY Light, just Light. Even though it's just a bunch of light moving across your photo receptors people DO take offense. A sensitive individual would understand that. An insensitive one still believes the old erronious adage, "Sticks and Stone will break my bones but names will never harm me."

[snip] I realize it's offensive and I realize that, when you are very young, such things may be taken to heart, but, toughen up. The real world doesn't give a flyin' fig about your "feelings" and offensive things will happen on a daily basis. It's only a video game. [snip]

[Edited for baiting commentary]

istateres · February 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

OK, as an example. I had 4 different screenshots of the same player teabagging me in PVP over a two day period. I was not the only one who reported him as I know at least three of my group reported him as well. I included in my report that I was a victim of *** as a child and it was traumatic. I didn't see the player for a few weeks. I did see him again and guess who doesn't teabag anymore. I call that a victory.

Honestly if you are traumatised by a set of pixels standing up and sitting down, you really shouldn't be playing on computer games!!!!

Honestly, if you are totally insensitive to others you shouldn't be posting in the forums.

Personnally I find nothing offensive about it, can you explain why it's offensive.

Your whole premise is that this is tea bagging, please take a look in the Urban Dictionary for a description, it would be very obvious that can't actually happen in this video game. So it's just a case of how the individual is actually thinking about it themselves, so if they thought of it as, it actually is, which is a group of pixels moving up and down they can't take offense.

Whilst I sympathise with their history, I do not see it as insensitive to meantion that Pixels are just Pixels. Some of the themes within the game are quite dark in some instances and may also cause trauma to others, would you suggest they are removed from the game to avoid offense to them...

I suggest you read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/23/sports/pro-football-throat-gesture-faces-ban-by-nfl.html

That's one of MANY examples of actions that are considered offensive, even though they are ONLY Light, just Light. Even though it's just a bunch of light moving across your photo receptors people DO take offense. A sensitive individual would understand that. An insensitive one still believes the old erronious adage, "Sticks and Stone will break my bones but names will never harm me."

@istateres
We have a sport similar too American Football, but a lot more physical in Europe called Rugby, one of the best teams in the world called the All Blacks start each match with the "Haka" this is a display which is meant to intimidate. This is a part of a physical game, the idea with any physical is to make your opposition scared, or to enrage them into mistakes, it's part of being competitive.
Whilst for some this is offensive, I would imagine most would take it with a pinch of salt.

This is the issue you are missing, just because one person finds something offensive doesn't mean something should be banned. I find many things offensive and repugent, but I don't believe I have the right to have it removed because this is an opinion I have.!

The relevant bit of the Code of Conduct

2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

So as you clearly stated, the All Blacks "Haka" is intended to threaten, distress, and cause discomfort in others. If they were playing ESO, they would be violating the code of conduct (COC). ESO is NOT a professional sport. The COC are quite clear and are all that matters, not our beliefs.

If you do something that distresses or causes discomfort in another player, it IS against the COC. Specifically, the primary purpose of tee bagging is to embarrass another player. Please don't bother to claim it is humorous. That is NOT its purpose.

No one is saying everyone who tee bags should be banned; but EVERYONE should recognize that tee bagging IS against the COC.

The particular purpose of this discussion is looking for better solutions to COC violations than direct ESO involvement (i.e. banning).

DenMoria · February 2016

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

OK, as an example. I had 4 different screenshots of the same player teabagging me in PVP over a two day period. I was not the only one who reported him as I know at least three of my group reported him as well. I included in my report that I was a victim of *** as a child and it was traumatic. I didn't see the player for a few weeks. I did see him again and guess who doesn't teabag anymore. I call that a victory.

Honestly if you are traumatised by a set of pixels standing up and sitting down, you really shouldn't be playing on computer games!!!!

Honestly, if you are totally insensitive to others you shouldn't be posting in the forums.

Personnally I find nothing offensive about it, can you explain why it's offensive.

Your whole premise is that this is tea bagging, please take a look in the Urban Dictionary for a description, it would be very obvious that can't actually happen in this video game. So it's just a case of how the individual is actually thinking about it themselves, so if they thought of it as, it actually is, which is a group of pixels moving up and down they can't take offense.

Whilst I sympathise with their history, I do not see it as insensitive to meantion that Pixels are just Pixels. Some of the themes within the game are quite dark in some instances and may also cause trauma to others, would you suggest they are removed from the game to avoid offense to them...

I suggest you read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/23/sports/pro-football-throat-gesture-faces-ban-by-nfl.html

That's one of MANY examples of actions that are considered offensive, even though they are ONLY Light, just Light. Even though it's just a bunch of light moving across your photo receptors people DO take offense. A sensitive individual would understand that. An insensitive one still believes the old erronious adage, "Sticks and Stone will break my bones but names will never harm me."

@istateres
We have a sport similar too American Football, but a lot more physical in Europe called Rugby, one of the best teams in the world called the All Blacks start each match with the "Haka" this is a display which is meant to intimidate. This is a part of a physical game, the idea with any physical is to make your opposition scared, or to enrage them into mistakes, it's part of being competitive.
Whilst for some this is offensive, I would imagine most would take it with a pinch of salt.

This is the issue you are missing, just because one person finds something offensive doesn't mean something should be banned. I find many things offensive and repugent, but I don't believe I have the right to have it removed because this is an opinion I have.!

The relevant bit of the Code of Conduct

2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

So as you clearly stated, the All Blacks "Haka" is intended to threaten, distress, and cause discomfort in others. If they were playing ESO, they would be violating the code of conduct (COC). ESO is NOT a professional sport. The COC are quite clear and are all that matters, not our beliefs.

If you do something that distresses or causes discomfort in another player, it IS against the COC. Specifically, the primary purpose of tee bagging is to embarrass another player. Please don't bother to claim it is humorous. That is NOT its purpose.

No one is saying everyone who tee bags should be banned; but EVERYONE should recognize that tee bagging IS against the COC.

The particular purpose of this discussion is looking for better solutions to COC violations than direct ESO involvement (i.e. banning).

While I agree that much of it does violate the CoC, I just can't see enforcement being that stringent. It's an MMO. People are a**hol**.

It's better to just not take it so seriously. I don't do it myself but suffer from it regularly. I just realize that it's not that important and easily ignored. It's only a game and I'm not easily offended.

istateres · February 2016

[/quote]I suggest you read this: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/23/sports/pro-football-throat-gesture-faces-ban-by-nfl.html

That's one of MANY examples of actions that are considered offensive, even though they are ONLY Light, just Light. Even though it's just a bunch of light moving across your photo receptors people DO take offense. A sensitive individual would understand that. An insensitive one still believes the old erronious adage, "Sticks and Stone will break my bones but names will never harm me."[/quote]

Not "sensitive", "hypersensitive delicate flowers". I realize it's offensive and I realize that, when you are very young, such things may be taken to heart, but, toughen up. The real world doesn't give a flyin' fig about your "feelings" and offensive things will happen on a daily basis. It's only a video game. Get over it.[/quote]

We're not talking about the real world. ESO is governed by a Code of Conduct, just like the NFL or any professional sport. That Code doesn't support offensive behavior. No one needs to "toughen up" nor "get over it". The Code of Conduct we are under when playing ESO is not the same as those in your country, village, or sports team. Nor do all MMOs have the same rules.

Activities in ESO that are against our Code of Conduct should be reported, even if they are find in WOW, of Russia, or the World Cup.

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

You've obviously never been at an RP event being griefed by multiple players. They CAN and DO make it impossible to ignore them and carry on with what you are doing. So it's still clear to me that you don't really understand the problem, and apparently don't want to.

[snip]

No troll, no matter how dedicated to their bridge, is going to keep at it for very long if you don't give them attention.

Certainly no group of "multiple players" are going to waste their time making it impossible to ignore them if you actually did ignore them. It's your reaction they are after, and obviously you give them exactly what they want.... your solution is to make them invisible in game, I suspect your game world would become rather empty rather quickly.

Post after post of "we need some muscle over here".

[Edited to remove inflammatory comment]

Pallmor · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

But they need to take the next step, which is finding a way to implement a visual ignore feature so that those same players, denied the ability to spew whatever vileness enters what passes for their minds, cannot resort to endlessly spamming loud flashy abilities in order to disrupt and destroy the gamplay and enjoyment of others.

That would probably be hard to implement. However, a "move to another instance" command would be much more practical to implement, and would serve the same function. And maybe isolate all the baddies off on their own server instance, where they could be as jerky as they want to be.

Hope499 · February 2016

[b"]2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience."[/b]

That is 90% about messages....

They are not going to ban anyone for spamming abilities.

If thats the case, then guess what? i want a guy banned who healed me once in Grathwood. Also, this one guy followed me around in the sewers for a bit when I didnt want him there. And dont forget the time I was in Auridon and there was someone dancing in their undies on a wall! BAN THEM ALL!!!!

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Cmon now...

MornaBaine · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

[b"]2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience."[/b]

That is 90% about messages....

They are not going to ban anyone for spamming abilities.

If thats the case, then guess what? i want a guy banned who healed me once in Grathwood. Also, this one guy followed me around in the sewers for a bit when I didnt want him there. And dont forget the time I was in Auridon and there was someone dancing in their undies on a wall! BAN THEM ALL!!!!

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Cmon now...

Welcome to the thread! A visual ignore feature would actually make any question of fairness or punishment go away for good. The main thing we want from ZOS is for PLAYERS to be able to filter out the players they find objectionable, regardless of reason. Hate seeing those poncy roleplayers TALKING in town and doing stupid EMOTES? Poof! Ignore them and they are gone! The point isn't to get ZOS to crack down on all the people who keep breaking the very Code of Conduct they signed and agreed to...the point is to make it so that it just doesn't even matter. Everyone can do EXACTLY what they want and ANYONE who doesn't especially like it, doesn't even have to see them.

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Welcome to the thread! A visual ignore feature would actually make any question of fairness or punishment go away for good. The main thing we want from ZOS is for PLAYERS to be able to filter out the players they find objectionable, regardless of reason. Hate seeing those poncy roleplayers TALKING in town and doing stupid EMOTES? Poof! Ignore them and they are gone! The point isn't to get ZOS to crack down on all the people who keep breaking the very Code of Conduct they signed and agreed to...the point is to make it so that it just doesn't even matter. Everyone can do EXACTLY what they want and ANYONE who doesn't especially like it, doesn't even have to see them.

Do you realize how ridiculous "I want them visually banned" is?

Imagine pvp with "if I ignore them they disappear from my world".

You can go RP in any number of open world dungeons, there are like what... like 40 or so of them. Most of them you can reach without anyone ever knowing you went there.

MornaBaine · February 2016

There are many things done differently in Cyrodiil than in the rest of the game world. I'd imagine that a visual ignore feature would simply be turned off there. Other games, such as Blade and Soul, DO have such a feature. So while it may be up for debate as to whether or not it can be done for THIS specific game the fact remains that the technology to make it happen does exist and other games have been smart enough to address this issue because they obviously recognize that player harassment IS an issue and one worth being responsible enough to address.