Ok people, calling others names just because they dont agree with you, doesnt make you better as humans, and you are not setting any good example for yourselves either...

Cant we all just agree that we are different people with different opinions?
NOBODY should ever be harassed, anywhere, virtually or in reality, BUT since we are all different people, we all have different ways to cope with it, and we all have to accept each other. Nobody here is supposed to impress anybody, but to respect.

Some people are worse at expressing themselves in words, being more sarcastic, more open, while others REALLY know how to pull the guilt trip.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Verbal harassment and insult laden whispers are commonplace in pvp.

The true question to ask is why would you even let them bother you?

I'm not even insinuating you should ignore them (as in put on ignore), it's just how does the words of someone that is obviously trying to bother you or get under your skin or offend you something you actually allow to do any of those things?

To be perfectly honest I can't go a single night without some halfwit trying to insult me in whispers. The extremely complicated way I deal with this is I don't let them. There is nothing they can say or really do that means anything to allow me to even care what they have to say.

As for someone "following" you. Lol, just log off for 15 minutes. They likely won't be following you any longer after that, or just port to a random location (even in the same zone) and move on.

90% of the time it's not even worth interacting with the looking for attention insulter types. I only say 90% because you can actually have a decent conversation with people once they realize that their cunning plan of annoying you didn't work. It's the "u mad bro" mentality of U followed by MAD and concluded with BRO is really the only thing they are getting at. Sometimes it's funny to interact with them, but really it's mostly a waste of time.

Once again the scenatrio of groups pf people gathered for events in game is ignored by your "solution." WHY should over a dozen people have tp log off for 15 minutes or go try to find some unpopulated corner of the world to HIDE in for their events? This "solution" is not reasonable at all.

SerenaAnastasia wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So what do you guys think will work so easily when you have players trolling a large event? The worst trolls I've encountered are when a large group of people are in an area for an event. Logically, it makes no sense to say 20 or more people need to leave an area because one to a few arsehats decide to come grief them and ruin the event. You tell me how that is supposed to be resolved and I might start taking you seriously. Because you and yoru predecessors in this conversation keep ignoring that scenario.

I wont give you any reasons to take me or not take me seriously, its your choice xD.
I will however say that I am sorry if I offended you in any way, as I dont know how big the abuse problems are on PC. I am just saying that honestly I have not experienced so much abuse in the game, (PS4) maybe because I also deal different with it.

And lets be honest, do you have everyday a few people coming at you and abuse you?
How many times were you actually abused, or how many times did you just get "hurt" because someone killed a monster before you could reach it?

If anyone is abused, as I said, you can do that, take a screenshot, take a video, send it to Zos, move out of the area for 5 minutes, those people by then will be long gone, and then go on with the quest. You cant tell me that you will have those people annoying you EVERY SINGLE DAY, because that sounds nearly impossible, and if you do, maybe you just get annoyed too easily, by things that are not even considered "abuse" in such a strong sense that you have to make people invisible throughout the game.

Abuse should be punished, this is why, after sending a video proof to Zos, the abuser gets his account banned for a few days, that will teach people believe me.
Yes it will be annoying for you to write them a message and attach a video, instead of just clicking on the person and making the disappear, but trust me you will not have to do that everyday, and if you do, again maybe its you, and not them.

Making people invisible through the game will maybe create MORE trolls, that will just block you for no reason, just because they want to be alone or I collected a flower before they got to collect it.



(And please note I am not saying anything against the OP, it was really bad what happened to her and it shouldnt happen to anyone) ... so many disclaimers that you have to give nowdays...

Honestly, I don't care why someone would choose to both visually and chat /ignore someone else. If you've dyed your armor to look like a pink Power Ranger or your name is GanksU there's a good chance I'd ignore you just so I never had to see you again. I'd "remove you from my world" just so I'd not have to deal with your immersion-breaking existence even if I never interacted with you at all. And if Pink Power Ranger GanksU wants to /ignore ME because he's horrified by the fact that my character is having a conversation in spatial about the finer points of Restoration magic and how it actually relates to necromancy that is PERFECTLY FINE also. And while I am annoyed when some scumbag "steals" "my" chest while I'm fighting the monster standing between me and the chest it's really not a huge deal. After all, I assume plenty of scumbags in the game world would do just that. But if the scumbag in question ALSO looks like a Pink Power Ranger named GanksU... they're history! LOL

And yes, as a roleplayer, SOMEONE trolls me almost every single day, even if just to make some nasty or inane comment or spam some loud flashy abilities and move on. Because there is a large chunk of players who find it absolutely impossible NOT to be rude and BREAK THE CONTRACT THEY WILLING SIGNED WITH ZOS any time they even SUSPECT someone is roleplaying.

The harassment is real my friend. ZOS needs to step up and do something about it.

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Have had multiple women players join our guild because they got sexually harrassed by players in guilds they used to be in. There needs to be perma bands for those people.

Absolutely. Some of the things I have seen are completely sickening. And yet the people spewing them are still in the game. Not acceptable.

SerenaAnastasia wrote: »

@MornaBaine I am not one of the people that dress all pink, and yes they do kind of not blend in with the rest of the world, I completely agree, but honestly if that annoys you then you should play games that are NOT online multiplayer, if you want to make MMOs well...not mmos anymore xD.
And I am sorry but someones armor is not abuse, and its also not worth to call people scumbags just because they have a different fashion sense than you xDDDDDDDD. Also somebody getting at a chest, faster than you, is not abuse either xD.

Did...you...even...read...my...post? Perhaps I should try to clarify for you. My POINT is that it doesn't even MATTER why someone would want to ignore someone else. It could easily be a matter of personal preference. Since it will not affect the person BEING ignored in any way (indeed they will not even know they have BEEN ignored in the first place!) and would indeed actually cut down on the amount of reporting ZoS has to deal with and would actually SAVE many people who DO harass from being banned from the game there is absolutely no good reason for ZoS NOT to implement a visual ignore feature.

So my questions to you are: Why would you care if everyone was able to ignore you? Why do you feel this should NOT be an option for players? There's no way to abuse such a feature so why would you feel it needs to be disallowed?

SerenaAnastasia wrote: »

@MornaBaine Ok let me clarify as well, because there are certain language barriers for me xDDD I DONT CARE IF THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED OR NOT, I just think there are other things they could improve before even implementing something like this, since it sounds like something very time consuming, and I cant understand why people find it so hard to just report a player. Plus by visually ignoring, it would mean not only that the person disappears but, they would also have to kind of make it as if this game is a single player just for you, so that even with the persons character ignored, they wont get at the same monsters, to not steal anyones groove xD. Sounds like something that cant be built so easily, and I doubt they get more people working on it, since they didnt even get more people to work on the costumer support by the way (which in my opinion, DEFINITELY has to be improved, I spoke to 3 different people until one finally knew what to do).



My point is, that some people on this thread, do speak about real harassment, but others just want the world to themselves. (which is not really the point of the thread anymore) ...
Why not in that case, you make a new thread where you make people vote, on a poll, if they want this implemented or not? Because many of the reasons some people (note when I said you, I refer generally, not at YOU, my bad, I warned you a while ago that my english sucks xD) gave here is not harassment.

Okay... Single player content is a HUGE request in most MMOs. Why? Because people may really like the game but SOMETIMES wish to play alone for various reasons. Either they just have a short amount of time to play and would like to knock out some progression on their character or they can't find a group to quest with or maybe they've just had a bad day and want to kill some monsters without dealing with other players. Other days, they may really enjoy playing with others which might be what attracted them to an MMO in the first place. Whatever their reason, it is in the game's best interest to provide that flexibility if they can. And yes, they CAN. Blade and Soul proves that. The upcoming Conan Exiles will provide both multi-player AND single player options. It's a smart move. I THINK we will see more MMOs in the future offering things like this which is going to provide competition to ESO so they'd be VERY smart to get on the bandwagon NOW and start offering their players more ways to play.

Player harassment by other players is just getting worse as well. Unless ZoS dedicates the manpower to actually monitor for it and start handing out the perma-bans for it their reputation as just another money-grubbing company who doesn't care at all about their customers is just going to worsen. In the long run that WILL hurt the game. On the other hand, if they actually step up and ACT and implement ways for players to protect THEMSELVES from harassment by other players they get to come across as proactive responsive heroes who really CARE. Word gets out about that kind of thing. This game already attracts a lot of female players, moreso than a lot of other MMOs. Now imagine there's an article out there somewhere praising ZoS for their proactive and innovative stance. Female gamers who have been driven away from MMOs will see them as a viable way to return to the gaming they loved but were chased out of by creeps. ZoS gets a huge reputation boost and MORE SALES.

Now the truth is that NEITHER you nor I understand the mechanics of a visual ignore. You have no idea if it really means that, "...not only that the person disappears but, they would also have to kind of make it as if this game is a single player just for you, so that even with the persons character ignored, they wont get at the same monsters..." But I DO KNOW that other games are able to offer this feature and do it. So while it may be a pain in the arse for ZoS to implement we both know it CAN be done. And while you and even many others may feel that ZoS should devote that time and energy to fixing X thing with the game YOU don't like... it absolutely does NOT absolve them of protecting their players against harassment and ENFORCING the terms of their own TOS. Once a visual ignore is actually implemented the time they have to spend investigating reports and dealing with angry people who have been banned goes to virtually zero. That's money and resources that can then be spent on more technical staff and more focus on overall game quality. So in the long term, you win too.

Ok you have a good point, but we both agree that the reasons why people want to visually ignore people is not only harassment, but that may be just my unpopular opinion.

So I still suggest that you make a poll, where people are able to vote, so Zos will also have a CLEAR idea, of what people want, because honestly @MornaBaine you will have to give the same reasons over and over again because people wont change their opinion, as we can see that each person keeps strongly their ideas. So I say lets allow people to vote, because this thread is getting old and its not easy for Zos to see on which side people are the most, unless they read through all the comments, and others are probably too shy to even give their own opinions, so they would leave a silent vote.

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Have had multiple women players join our guild because they got sexually harassed by players in guilds they used to be in. There needs to be perma bands for those people.

For those that say Dont let things bother you or get tougher. Sorry I dont agree with letting other players getting sexually harassed while the one harassing them recieves no punishment.

I've seen this issue for years in mmo's.

I've seen it in eso for sure.. I know some women that basically do not talk in vent/ts/mumble whatever because doing so will mean someone creeping on them.

It's still an issue of if they got any response in regard to their behavior, they will likely keep doing it.

I'm certainly not condoning any behaviors, it's just the byline of "don't feed the trolls" is nearly always relevant. It's also mostly as simple as it sounds.

SerenaAnastasia wrote: »

Ok you have a good point, but we both agree that the reasons why people want to visually ignore people is not only harassment, but that may be just my unpopular opinion.

So I still suggest that you make a poll, where people are able to vote, so Zos will also have a CLEAR idea, of what people want, because honestly @MornaBaine you will have to give the same reasons over and over again because people wont change their opinion, as we can see that each person keeps strongly their ideas. So I say lets allow people to vote, because this thread is getting old and its not easy for Zos to see on which side people are the most, unless they read through all the comments, and others are probably too shy to even give their own opinions, so they would leave a silent vote.

While the example I am about to give you is extreme, it does, in fact, relate to this situation. If, in the late 1960's, Americans had been given the opportunity to vote on whether or not they wanted to end segregation in public schools and allow black children to attend alongside white children, I guarantee you that we would still have segregated schools today. The majority is not always right. We know this.

The situation is clear. Every player of this game has signed an agreement with ZOS stating that they will NOT engage in griefing other players in this game. They have acknowledged that doing so CAN result in their being banned from the game, their account permanently cancelled. So no sage advice of "don't feed the trolls" even applies to this situation. ZoS either needs to start ruthlessly enforcing their own TOS and devote the manpower and resources to QUICKLY respond to reports of abuse and harassment OR they need to put the power to "remove" said griefers into the hands of the players themselves. As doing the latter would actually result in NO ill effects on the person being ignored, they would, in fact, NOT lose their account AND, at the same time, would no longer be ABLE to troll those who have chosen to ignore them, thus aiding player retention on BOTH sides as well as freeing ZOS up to devote more resources on bettering the game overall, I think it is pretty darn clear which is the better option. But one or the other NEEDS to happen. And I sure as Oblivion am not going to put up a poll, that you and I BOTH know will instantly be swarmed by these very trolls, giving a platform to those who enjoy abusing others and don't want to see their "fun" taken away from them. Because anyone who says that NEITHER of these things should be done is, rather obviously, an abusive troll themselves.

Still waiting for a reply from ZoS regarding what, if anything ever, they plan to do about this issue. I understand the wedding presided over by Loremaster Lawrence Schick was trolled pretty hard. I have to wonder if that did ANYTHING to illustrate the problem for them?

So sorry this happened to you. It sucks when ppl try to make it sound like harassment doesn't happen because it really does! Hope your next time in Tamriel is happy and jerk-free (other than the bad-guy npc's you can kill of course!!)

Cherryblossom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

OK, as an example. I had 4 different screenshots of the same player teabagging me in PVP over a two day period. I was not the only one who reported him as I know at least three of my group reported him as well. I included in my report that I was a victim of *** as a child and it was traumatic. I didn't see the player for a few weeks. I did see him again and guess who doesn't teabag anymore. I call that a victory.

Honestly if you are traumatised by a set of pixels standing up and sitting down, you really shouldn't be playing on computer games!!!!

Honestly, if you are totally insensitive to others you shouldn't be posting in the forums.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

No one expects you to take it, the simple fact is ignoring someone and moving away from them removes the issue. If you do not do what is available yourself and instead choose to subject yourself to the harrassment this is a choice you have made.
This is not real life where if someone is harassing you, you can't add them to your ignore list and you can't teleport miles away from them. They don't know where you live they don't know your name, they don't know anything about you except your toons name and what it looks like....

So if you are walking down a street in RL and are catcalled then ignoring them and moving away removes the issue, correct? And if you walk down that street AGAIN, instead of taking an alternative route, you are CHOOSING to be harassed? Correct?

There is a word for people who believe that.

I fish and have a high stamina fishing and ignoring idiots. Before I'm through with the 15-attempt-hole, they're too bored and outta there.