Stam Sorcs, where are their improvements?

CP5 · February 2016

@Erock25, I really regret reading that post. Guess we as a community just aren't worth the time to even be kept up to date or informed. Were some of these ideas just posted somewhere on reddit and not here or what? At this rate, to anyone at ZOS reading this, I as a player feel like I may as well not be here, like i'm not worth the time of day to even be acknowledged.

Xeven · February 2016

They just buffed lol crystal blast, so id say that is definitely off the table. Youre probably going to get more weapon options.

Alucardo · February 2016

Xeven wrote: »

They just buffed lol crystal blast, so id say that is definitely off the table. Youre probably going to get more weapon options.

When they announced the buff of crystal blast you could hear all the stam sorcs around the world sigh in unison, because that skill could have been given to us xD

Refuse2GrowUp · February 2016

Am I the only one that plays a magicka and stamina morph of every class? When one class falls behind, I have others...that's the reason I started them all (that and to really learn what each have to offer, and what their individual strengths and weaknesses are). I still love my StamSorc, and will play it even if it is not the most viable end game build (I still do extremely well with it in PvP). Yet, I have no qualms jumping on another toon if it fits whatever need I am trying to fill at the moment. Yes, it sucks when our bread and butter build falls behind. But the devs did say they will be largely focused on stam builds/skills in the next update. So, enjoy the game for what it is or move on and do something else if this is not what you find enjoyable. Tis just a game after all.

Alucardo · February 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Am I the only one that plays a magicka and stamina morph of every class? When one class falls behind, I have others...that's the reason I started them all (that and to really learn what each have to offer, and what their individual strengths and weaknesses are). I still love my StamSorc, and will play it even if it is not the most viable end game build (I still do extremely well with it in PvP). Yet, I have no qualms jumping on another toon if it fits whatever need I am trying to fill at the moment. Yes, it sucks when our bread and butter build falls behind. But the devs did say they will be largely focused on stam builds/skills in the next update. So, enjoy the game for what it is or move on and do something else if this is not what you find enjoyable. Tis just a game after all.

I tried magicka classes but they just weren't my cup-o-tea, so all of mine are literally stamina based. I know it's just a game, but I honestly thought we'd be seeing buffs for stam sorcs in this update because it's obvious they are dirt compared to everyone else - that's what upsets me.
Instead, they go and buff a useless skill that no magicka sorc I know of even uses when it could have been given to us. I could cry right now.

Refuse2GrowUp · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Am I the only one that plays a magicka and stamina morph of every class? When one class falls behind, I have others...that's the reason I started them all (that and to really learn what each have to offer, and what their individual strengths and weaknesses are). I still love my StamSorc, and will play it even if it is not the most viable end game build (I still do extremely well with it in PvP). Yet, I have no qualms jumping on another toon if it fits whatever need I am trying to fill at the moment. Yes, it sucks when our bread and butter build falls behind. But the devs did say they will be largely focused on stam builds/skills in the next update. So, enjoy the game for what it is or move on and do something else if this is not what you find enjoyable. Tis just a game after all.

I tried magicka classes but they just weren't my cup-o-tea, so all of mine are literally stamina based. I know it's just a game, but I honestly thought we'd be seeing buffs for stam sorcs in this update because it's obvious they are dirt compared to everyone else - that's what upsets me.
Instead, they go and buff a useless skill that no magicka sorc I know of even uses when it could have been given to us. I could cry right now.

I absolutely agree stamina builds in general need some love. I hate trying to decide 2h DW or bow on my stam builds and really having few class skills at my disposal (other than NB of course). It really kind of destroys the feel of the class to me. None-the-less, I try (quite hard) to stay optimistic and focus on what I love about the game vice what is missing or what I wish the devs had done instead. Thing that bothers me most is seeing players leave to find other games when I genuinely enjoyed playing with them. So, I guess the statement is less about 'suck it up and be find a happy place' and more about 'I hope you can find something to enjoy and stick around for as I hate to see the community thin out'.

olsborg · February 2016

Sorcs in general didnt recieve any helpful updates to their skills (for pvp) that I can see. We did get nerfed most of the recent updates, so I guess we can count ourselves lucky for not recieving any nerfs this time around. *sob*

Pets are still very useless in pvp, they dont have battlespirit, they die if the wind picks up and ....well nothings changed there. Stamsorcs especially have it bad.

CP5 · February 2016

Xeven wrote: »

They just buffed lol crystal blast, so id say that is definitely off the table. Youre probably going to get more weapon options.

One year after buffing crystal frags (and after saying on that ESO Live that sorc burst was fine). Took their time didn't they?

Jeezye · February 2016

@ZOS_JanS @ZOS_AmeliaR @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_KaiSchober

Guys this is unaccaptable, how can stuff like this happen if the whole community points this out for over a year now? By reading all those comments you can tell how frustrated your followers are. I'm sticking to this game since beta and I still love the rough design and combat style, but the development really drives me nuts to the point where I'm just hanging from patch to patch hoping to get some long awaited changes..

AfkNinja · February 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

Stam sorc has been the most nerfed class since the game was released.

Stamina Templar says hi. It took two years just to get major mending so we can finally heal decently....and that's all we've got. I feel for you guys, Stamina Sorc still needs some major work but I don't think it should come from Major Mending .

Edit: Critable shields is my vote...

Alucardo · February 2016

AfkNinja wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Stam sorc has been the most nerfed class since the game was released.

Stamina Templar says hi. It took two years just to get major mending so we can finally heal decently....and that's all we've got. I feel for you guys, Stamina Sorc still needs some major work but I don't think it should come from Major Mending .

Edit: Critable shields is my vote...

There's no denying Stamplar and Stam sorc are pretty close to equal grounds, but as far as options go, Stamplar has more. Hell, from level 3 you can level your dude with jabs. I was heavy attacking until around level 10-15 on my stam sorc. Just using that as an example.
I agree with you on major mending. Now that Templars AND DKs have it, I wouldn't want to see it handed around any more.

Brrrofski · February 2016

Well after a stam sorc I made a stamplar.

Honestly, they're not close. Stamplars are strong man. I've been slaying people a lot easier than my stam Sorc. A lot easier. Jabs opens up weapon choices. I'm not forced to spam WB.

Magica dump means a constant cleanse. Also repentance. Honestly, that's so strong on a stamplar. In a big fight, it's borderline op. Weapon damage passive is without slotting anything. Only real weakness is mobility. I do miss that to be fair.

Jabs is getting better. It will now snare instead of CC. We're getting major mending. Javelin has increased radius. Stamplar is in a lot better place than stam sorc. There's no way my sorc can compete with my stamplar.

Alucardo · February 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Well after a stam sorc I made a stamplar.

Honestly, they're not close. Stamplars are strong man. I've been slaying people a lot easier than my stam Sorc. A lot easier. Jabs opens up weapon choices. I'm not forced to spam WB.

Magica dump means a constant cleanse. Also repentance. Honestly, that's so strong on a stamplar. In a big fight, it's borderline op. Weapon damage passive is without slotting anything. Only real weakness is mobility. I do miss that to be fair.

Jabs is getting better. It will now snare instead of CC. We're getting major mending. Javelin has increased radius. Stamplar is in a lot better place than stam sorc. There's no way my sorc can compete with my stamplar.

I agree with you there. I see MANY templars complain, and I understand, but they are far from the bottom of the food chain.

Erock25 · February 2016

AfkNinja wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Stam sorc has been the most nerfed class since the game was released.

Stamina Templar says hi. It took two years just to get major mending so we can finally heal decently....and that's all we've got. I feel for you guys, Stamina Sorc still needs some major work but I don't think it should come from Major Mending .

Edit: Critable shields is my vote...

I'm sorry but if we're looking at it from the beginning of the game until now, stam sorc has been consistently nerfed the hardest because of soft cap removal and the changes made to sorc mechanics because of how powerful magicka sorc is.

Huggalump · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

- While crit surge is active, allow it to crit shields (this will allow us to heal from people using shields)

Pretty sure that surge heal work on shield actually, shield don't take critical damage but if your attack is a crit, surge heal you. For less life because it take the non-critical damage for his calculation, though.

Are you sure? You can't crit a shield, so I'm uncertain how crit surge would work against them already. I can use the new combat text on PTS to test it out now I guess. No I don't use addons

there is some kind of a heal that comes through, but im not sure what it's based on.

Jar_Ek · February 2016

If I recall correctly you get about 200 back from a crit on a shield, but I haven't tested it for a long long time.
However what really infuriates me is that stamina sorcerers are essentially locked into DPS only and they are effectively gimped at it too boot (massively dependent on a crit based build for survival which generally does not work in PvP due to shields and impen). They have so few tank skills that they make 3rd rate tanks (mobility being their only tanking advantage and that is fuelled by magicka) as their class skills do so little for them and all stamina healers are a joke.

Literally every other class build (ie stamina or magicka) is more viable at more roles than a stamina sorcerer and all are also better at DPS (even stamplar I think, if only due to ultimates). This is just wrong.

Sparky617 · February 2016

Just make class skills scale of of stamina OR magicka already. Let your weapon choice determine your stat, not your class. I'd probably drop wrecking blow if I could have crystal frag. And I'd love to have curse back.

Sparky617 · February 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

Stam sorc has been the most nerfed class since the game was released. Anyone else remember before soft cap removal when hybrids were viable in pvp? Crit surge actually scaled with your magicka and you could stack weapon dmg buffs and get some crazy high numbers even with the softcap. Streak didn't drain all of your magicka on the second cast. Hardened Ward was worth using. It has just been nerf after nerf to go along with some really uninspired "buffs" ever since. There has also been tons of really good stam sorc feedback from the community and it's obvious that the developers disagree with what they have to say or just aren't paying attention.

I miss those days....My Khajjit Sorc was Using Velociius Curse, Crystal Frag, and Mages Fury with a bow and 2 hander quite effectively...

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

I like the notion of Surge critting on Shields. My only suggestion is that they look at making shields health based as well on Sorcs. This actually is a net gain for Stamina Sorcs, and admittedly a loss to Magic Sorcs but a fair one considering they could still take advantage of Surge-heals (and twilight healing, and mine healing, and bound armor, etc).

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

They just buffed lol crystal blast, so id say that is definitely off the table. Youre probably going to get more weapon options.

When they announced the buff of crystal blast you could hear all the stam sorcs around the world sigh in unison, because that skill could have been given to us xD

I'd prefer a stamina version of mage's fury personally, just so I could take advantage of disintegrate. I suppose people that favor the stam-frags idea are looking to proc a little self heal.

Cathexis · February 2016

My opinion about what is going on with stam sorcs has remained fundamentally the same since the IC patch.

(1) A stam based class attack makes a lot if sense and should exist

(2) Magicka costs need a way to be reduced for stam sorcs - skill costs are terrible

(3) if our primary source of damage mitigation is mobility, gap closer root has to go and/or we need some sort of utility for for mitigating large amounts of incoming damage from multiple vectors (every class/class spec has some capacity to do this - stackable damage shields, cloak, heals/instant rez, high damage reduction/projectile reflect). At present a stam sorc optimized for pvp typically plays like a nightblade without cloak, without adequate cc, worse gap closers, lower damage, and worse passives/overall regen.

Alucardo · February 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

They just buffed lol crystal blast, so id say that is definitely off the table. Youre probably going to get more weapon options.

When they announced the buff of crystal blast you could hear all the stam sorcs around the world sigh in unison, because that skill could have been given to us xD

I'd prefer a stamina version of mage's fury personally, just so I could take advantage of disintegrate. I suppose people that favor the stam-frags idea are looking to proc a little self heal.

I think I'd rather a storm calling ability too, but yeah, I think it's mostly for the heal and because crystal blast mostly goes unused so it would have been a good chance to give us SOMETHING.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

They just buffed lol crystal blast, so id say that is definitely off the table. Youre probably going to get more weapon options.

When they announced the buff of crystal blast you could hear all the stam sorcs around the world sigh in unison, because that skill could have been given to us xD

I'd prefer a stamina version of mage's fury personally, just so I could take advantage of disintegrate. I suppose people that favor the stam-frags idea are looking to proc a little self heal.

I think I'd rather a storm calling ability too, but yeah, I think it's mostly for the heal and because crystal blast mostly goes unused so it would have been a good chance to give us SOMETHING.

I have to admit though, on my magic spec Sorcerer I really always wished the Crystal Blast were actually good. To be honest their little 25% buff or whatever doesn't make that skill seem any better than before, although I always thought it looked cool. Looking cool doesn't always cut it though (which is my problem with much of the Templar class). I think if they did make a morph based off of Crystal Shards, a great animation would be some kind of Bound Sword being swung (or a bound bow, if they want to keep it ranged).

Mumyo · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Trying to remain calm here, but the only thing you did with stam sorcs was fix a minor issue with Thundering Presence. The thing is, I don't know many people who run this skill because it's such a stamina hog to keep up, so they all use boundless storm anyway.
I run S+B on my stam sorc, so now it's even more useless because I can't reflect meteor and I don't have the increased healing of, say, a DK.

Basically if this update goes live you're making stam sorcs even less viable than they already were. Please, go through the forums and listen to people on their stam sorc suggestions.
Here's just a few things that I can think of

- Give us access to major mending
- While crit surge is active, allow it to crit shields (this will allow us to heal from people using shields)
- Some kind of direct damage ability. I'm sure a lot of people will still run wrecking blow, but the more options the better
- Increase major expedition on Thundering Presence

You've stated the speed buff on major expedition is being lowered, so thundering presence at 4 seconds is worse than ever. In a way, you've actually nerfed Stam sorcs quite a lot in this patch and they didn't need it.
If you don't plan on increasing expedition on thundering presence, I think major mending would be a good spot for it.

Please dont get me wrong because i also want to see stamsorcs buffed but id totally disagree on the spamable ability u want.
We allready have 2 classes having one and surge offers you the uniqueness to use s&b / bow builds for instance and thats really awesome. So there can be your spamable ability. Deep slash / Ransack or whatever morph u like.
When everybody wants that 1 spamable ability as dk wish their lava whip i think this game loses tons of diversity
/ We'd actually end up being magickaplayers just using the stamina ressource

I thought the main idea about stamina builds was to use weapons since they move away from magic (i hate stamina morphs)

I also think your great weakspot are shields. Stamsorc vs Magsorc is a very good example how the shield takes away all your power. But since you have very nice mobility i also don't agree on the major mending, you should more likely get something else.
Maybe just a buff on something u allready have, an ability, reduce cost or make surge heal work on shields.
I dont know enough about stamsorc just that there are some really strong like "jo khaljor" on EU that make me feel that stamsorc is almost fine ( its jsut a little little something thats missing).
But ffs move away from all the damn stamina spamabilities u wish for, that literally takes away the idea of staminabuilds (u have weapons for that and stam sorcs have the uniqueness to use em all // forget about rally, u are the only ones to not care)

Alucardo · February 2016

Mumyo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Trying to remain calm here, but the only thing you did with stam sorcs was fix a minor issue with Thundering Presence. The thing is, I don't know many people who run this skill because it's such a stamina hog to keep up, so they all use boundless storm anyway.
I run S+B on my stam sorc, so now it's even more useless because I can't reflect meteor and I don't have the increased healing of, say, a DK.

Basically if this update goes live you're making stam sorcs even less viable than they already were. Please, go through the forums and listen to people on their stam sorc suggestions.
Here's just a few things that I can think of

- Give us access to major mending
- While crit surge is active, allow it to crit shields (this will allow us to heal from people using shields)
- Some kind of direct damage ability. I'm sure a lot of people will still run wrecking blow, but the more options the better
- Increase major expedition on Thundering Presence

You've stated the speed buff on major expedition is being lowered, so thundering presence at 4 seconds is worse than ever. In a way, you've actually nerfed Stam sorcs quite a lot in this patch and they didn't need it.
If you don't plan on increasing expedition on thundering presence, I think major mending would be a good spot for it.

We allready have 2 classes having one and surge offers you the uniqueness to use s&b / bow builds for instance and thats really awesome.

Uniqueness? So why does DK get self major brutality and sorcery for 30 seconds in the next patch? The only proper spammable DPS ability we have available is Wrecking Blow, and it has a 1 second cast time making it easily dodgeable. I don't think wanting an insta cast one is asking too much. Hell, I'd even be fine if they halved the damage of dizzying swing (other wb morph) and removed its cast time.
Stam sorcs may have some mobility, but their attacks are slow and clunky, making them open targets.

Dyride · February 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

shugg wrote: »

Just so you know they talked about this on ESO live - Up date 10 will look at tanking and stam classes, they have some cool stuff - they will look at vamp , ww, undaunted, fighters, mages guild - best part was stam dk morphs looking and dealing poison damage

@shugg The problem is that this has been said before, specifically for stamina sorcs.. In april 2015, we get a dev post about upcoming changes for stam sorc and what do we have to show for it? Some stam regen if we slot a deadric summoning skill (decent upgrade but boring and forced my stam pvp build to use storm atro), more weapon power per sorc skill slotted (again tough to take advantage of in a pvp spec), and thundering presence stam morph (terrible and never worth using over boundless in pvp).

Stam sorc has been the most nerfed class since the game was released. Anyone else remember before soft cap removal when hybrids were viable in pvp? Crit surge actually scaled with your magicka and you could stack weapon dmg buffs and get some crazy high numbers even with the softcap. Streak didn't drain all of your magicka on the second cast. Hardened Ward was worth using. It has just been nerf after nerf to go along with some really uninspired "buffs" ever since. There has also been tons of really good stam sorc feedback from the community and it's obvious that the developers disagree with what they have to say or just aren't paying attention.

I too remember last year, an "exciting reveal next week for stam sorcs" that never appeared and was never explained by @wrobel, @ZOS_GinaBruno, or @ZOS_RichLambert .

Here are simple suggestions for abilities/passives and isn't my other wishlist of stamina morphs:

Fix the Blood Magic passive in Dark Magic so that it procs on abilities that hit even if they don't cause damage. The way it is worded has nothing about needing to cause damage but it doesn't proc on Negate, Restraining Prison, or Rune Prison morphs. It isn't a large heal, so give us some utility from slotting those skills as a stam sorc.

Fix Power Overload so it follows the tooltip and does more damage than Energy Overload. The tooltip is wrong and it does less damage. I don't need this to be physical damage but at least equalize the scaling of magicka versus stamina. Stamina does way less damage not even counting CP.

Clannfear does PHYSICAL DAMAGE, so make it scale with stamina. Keep the ability costing magicka.

Thundering Presence could remove snares+2.5 sec immunity to give us back some of the mobility that drew us to this build. The small AOE damage+Major Armor/Spell Resist is less mitigation than the 20% dodge chance so this seems fair to me.

Alternatively, have Thundering Presence give -20% reduced damage from Damage over time abilities. This would be a huge buff but not unreasonable. This would also increase the utility for tanks as well.

Mumyo · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Trying to remain calm here, but the only thing you did with stam sorcs was fix a minor issue with Thundering Presence. The thing is, I don't know many people who run this skill because it's such a stamina hog to keep up, so they all use boundless storm anyway.
I run S+B on my stam sorc, so now it's even more useless because I can't reflect meteor and I don't have the increased healing of, say, a DK.

Basically if this update goes live you're making stam sorcs even less viable than they already were. Please, go through the forums and listen to people on their stam sorc suggestions.
Here's just a few things that I can think of

- Give us access to major mending
- While crit surge is active, allow it to crit shields (this will allow us to heal from people using shields)
- Some kind of direct damage ability. I'm sure a lot of people will still run wrecking blow, but the more options the better
- Increase major expedition on Thundering Presence

You've stated the speed buff on major expedition is being lowered, so thundering presence at 4 seconds is worse than ever. In a way, you've actually nerfed Stam sorcs quite a lot in this patch and they didn't need it.
If you don't plan on increasing expedition on thundering presence, I think major mending would be a good spot for it.

We allready have 2 classes having one and surge offers you the uniqueness to use s&b / bow builds for instance and thats really awesome.

Uniqueness? So why does DK get self major brutality and sorcery for 30 seconds in the next patch? The only proper spammable DPS ability we have available is Wrecking Blow, and it has a 1 second cast time making it easily dodgeable. I don't think wanting an insta cast one is asking too much. Hell, I'd even be fine if they halved the damage of dizzying swing (other wb morph) and removed its cast time.
Stam sorcs may have some mobility, but their attacks are slow and clunky, making them open targets.

Ur only spammable ability is not wb, as i said it can be deep slash or ransack in combo with anything else too and the deep slash bash combo can be burstier than a wb.
So when dk gets that buff, they dont need 2handers either, at least not necessarily.
So we get 2 classes without attacks that rely on weapons and 2 classes with attacks that dont have the ability to pick any weapon combo they want. Sounds like a good concept to me tbh.

For a long time i even played pvp without a single spammable attack and it worked out just fine.
But as allready mentioned, i dont wanna say everything is fine. Weapons will be reworked with dark brotherhood anyway.

Alucardo · February 2016

Mumyo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Trying to remain calm here, but the only thing you did with stam sorcs was fix a minor issue with Thundering Presence. The thing is, I don't know many people who run this skill because it's such a stamina hog to keep up, so they all use boundless storm anyway.
I run S+B on my stam sorc, so now it's even more useless because I can't reflect meteor and I don't have the increased healing of, say, a DK.

Basically if this update goes live you're making stam sorcs even less viable than they already were. Please, go through the forums and listen to people on their stam sorc suggestions.
Here's just a few things that I can think of

- Give us access to major mending
- While crit surge is active, allow it to crit shields (this will allow us to heal from people using shields)
- Some kind of direct damage ability. I'm sure a lot of people will still run wrecking blow, but the more options the better
- Increase major expedition on Thundering Presence

You've stated the speed buff on major expedition is being lowered, so thundering presence at 4 seconds is worse than ever. In a way, you've actually nerfed Stam sorcs quite a lot in this patch and they didn't need it.
If you don't plan on increasing expedition on thundering presence, I think major mending would be a good spot for it.

We allready have 2 classes having one and surge offers you the uniqueness to use s&b / bow builds for instance and thats really awesome.

Uniqueness? So why does DK get self major brutality and sorcery for 30 seconds in the next patch? The only proper spammable DPS ability we have available is Wrecking Blow, and it has a 1 second cast time making it easily dodgeable. I don't think wanting an insta cast one is asking too much. Hell, I'd even be fine if they halved the damage of dizzying swing (other wb morph) and removed its cast time.
Stam sorcs may have some mobility, but their attacks are slow and clunky, making them open targets.

Ur only spammable ability is not wb, as i said it can be deep slash or ransack in combo with anything else too and the deep slash bash combo can be burstier than a wb.
So when dk gets that buff, they dont need 2handers either, at least not necessarily.
So we get 2 classes without attacks that rely on weapons and 2 classes with attacks that dont have the ability to pick any weapon combo they want. Sounds like a good concept to me tbh.

For a long time i even played pvp without a single spammable attack and it worked out just fine.
But as allready mentioned, i dont wanna say everything is fine. Weapons will be reworked with dark brotherhood anyway.

To get comparable DPS out of ransack you need to animation cancel, especially fighting someone with shields. It also means you're getting healed less via crit surge. S+B is not bad in duels for a stam sorc, but it's not so great in normal PVP for them.
Heroic slash hits a bit harder, but it's hard to sustain because it costs even more than surprise attack. Heroic was obviously made to NOT be spammed.

Jeezye · February 2016

Its not that stamina sorcs do particulalry need a spammable stamina morph, but they just need over all stamina supported dmg. Boundless storm is only used for utilty and thers litterary no other stamina dmg skill we can use. bound armor kind of supports HA wielding, but I tried to build around that and an 11% increase is just nothing to rely on.

If we dont get a spammable ability, at least change the utility abilites so they can find a place in our builds, and buff those skills that support stamina gameplay.

Huggalump · February 2016

Sparky617 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Stam sorc has been the most nerfed class since the game was released. Anyone else remember before soft cap removal when hybrids were viable in pvp? Crit surge actually scaled with your magicka and you could stack weapon dmg buffs and get some crazy high numbers even with the softcap. Streak didn't drain all of your magicka on the second cast. Hardened Ward was worth using. It has just been nerf after nerf to go along with some really uninspired "buffs" ever since. There has also been tons of really good stam sorc feedback from the community and it's obvious that the developers disagree with what they have to say or just aren't paying attention.

I miss those days....My Khajjit Sorc was Using Velociius Curse, Crystal Frag, and Mages Fury with a bow and 2 hander quite effectively...

i came in during 1.6 but the game you're describing sounds sooooooo much better than what we're playing now. I can't understand why they removed soft caps.