Rofl at the Vicious Death Set..

GRxKnight · February 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Large group is a subset of the term group...therefore large group is a group...end of discussion.

So in daoc...............

And don't forget about DAoC! DAoC too.

Remember back in daoc where we did daoc things...yeah this should be more like daoc cause daoc was awesome

HoloYoitsu · February 2016

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Elong wrote: »

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Elong wrote: »

Seriously, how many is a zerg? Just answer the question.

Anything more then a group technically

Though I should clarify that steathers might consider something like 4 a Zerg if there is a stealther meta in the game. Since everyone stealths in this game it's harder to say

But a group is 24 people.

That's 6 groups.

That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.

"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.

And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.

I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.

No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?

As i said, the game clearly differentiates between "group" and "large group". Those have, in this game's terms, two different sizes. Therefore, in this game's terms, saying that 24 people is a "group" is incorrect. The correct statement is that 24 people is a "large group".

But how is a large group not a group? It has players grouped together does it not?

I am talking about the technical terms this game uses for it's two grouping mechanics. You are talking about the generic meaning of the word "group". As long as we are discussing this topic on a specialized forum dedicated to this game, the specific meaning this game gives to those terms has to take precedence over the generic meaning, to avoid confusion.

Ok but in technical terms relevant to this game, how is a large group not still a group?

Elong · February 2016

25 is right out!

_Chaos · February 2016

I'm still not getting it.

Is there pictures or any visual representation that could bring clarity to all of this?

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

WE ZERGING!!!!!! CHOO, CHOO Motherf*&^%$#s

Ghostbane · February 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm still not getting it.

Is there pictures or any visual representation that could bring clarity to all of this?

Ghostbane · February 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm still not getting it.

Is there pictures or any visual representation that could bring clarity to all of this?

Ghost-Shot · February 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Large group is a subset of the term group...therefore large group is a group...end of discussion.

So in daoc...............

And don't forget about DAoC! DAoC too.

Remember back in daoc where we did daoc things...yeah this should be more like daoc cause daoc was awesome

There was the daoc days too, daoc was great.

Sanct16 · February 2016

Originates from Blizzard's game Starcraft where zerg were one of 3 playable races, aliens like appeareance, zerg were characterized by using large numbers of weak units to swarm the enemy, also another charasteristic of zerg were that everything was organic, ie, zerg didnt used machines or any artifacts, they would mutate their own buildings from special kind of larvae and advanced units were created by mutating basic ones. Units were cheap to make and it was possible to make extreme numbers in short period of time.

Nowadays term zerg is used in mmo games to describe force consisted of large group of lower level players (often with only basic equipment) who use numbers rather then strategy to defeat the enemy, therefore requiring no skill. This tactics is commonly known as zerging

Source

ksimpscnub18_ESO · February 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm still not getting it.

Is there pictures or any visual representation that could bring clarity to all of this?

Perfect

Iyas · February 2016

My Definition of zerg: ppl who abuse the aoe cap and contribute more to lag than other with their stacking on crown in a 5m² radius.

Yeah i look at the ppl in the thread who fear the next patch so hard that i can smell the poo in the diapers.

Äh i mean of course: poor pugs and bla bla and less tactic and who will attack the breach bla bla

Satiar · February 2016

The set will be fun to use with bombs tho, I admit. Holding breaches gonna be fun. Meteor showers and VD for days! Without barriers it's going to be very hard to tank siege, prox bomb AND meteors AND VD. Hope y'all have fun sieging vs anyone halfway competent

Ghost-Shot · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

The set will be fun to use with bombs tho, I admit. Holding breaches gonna be fun. Meteor showers and VD for days! Without barriers it's going to be very hard to tank siege, prox bomb AND meteors AND VD. Hope y'all have fun sieging vs anyone halfway competent

You will never be able to get me and BBQ off those stacks of pugs lol, its gonna be fun.

Satiar · February 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

The set will be fun to use with bombs tho, I admit. Holding breaches gonna be fun. Meteor showers and VD for days! Without barriers it's going to be very hard to tank siege, prox bomb AND meteors AND VD. Hope y'all have fun sieging vs anyone halfway competent

You will never be able to get me and BBQ off those stacks of pugs lol, its gonna be fun.

If you don't I'll demote fruity again!

Ghost-Shot · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

The set will be fun to use with bombs tho, I admit. Holding breaches gonna be fun. Meteor showers and VD for days! Without barriers it's going to be very hard to tank siege, prox bomb AND meteors AND VD. Hope y'all have fun sieging vs anyone halfway competent

You will never be able to get me and BBQ off those stacks of pugs lol, its gonna be fun.

If you don't I'll demote fruity again!

I mean it's clearly fruity's fault.

vortexman11 · February 2016

I've been too lazy to follow this thread but I just wanted for quickly put in what I think of it.

When I looked at vicious death, at first I thought "Great! Time to dust off the Magicka Nightblade!" because you know... who wouldn't like to bomb a group and instantly kill half of them... But then my mind drifted back to where it always does... when you could build yourself in such a way that forced groups to spread out or take massive damage, or spread out because the more people surrounding them gave them more resources... and I just thought... why not just go back to that... what makes a set with the potential to kill large groups of people in seconds better than dynamic ultimate? But meh...never gonna happen

Xsorus · February 2016

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Ghost-Shot · February 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

GTFO, we are talking about DAOC here, no time for your nonsense.

Satiar · February 2016

Ooof that weak troll attempt!

Derra · February 2016

Gotta love how those 24 slot guild raid not zergers are stroking each others e
gos about playing in a (large) grp.

Especially goodtimes when one knows that nothing about a set requiring massive playstyle/build adjustments will get changed. Atleast i´m on the l2p side now after shieldbreaker happened.

l2p all not zergers that are stacking on crown

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Gotta love how those 24 slot guild raid not zergers are stroking each others e
gos about playing in a (large) grp.

Especially goodtimes when one knows that nothing about a set requiring massive playstyle/build adjustments will get changed. Atleast i´m on the l2p side now after shieldbreaker happened.

l2p all not zergers that are stacking on crown

Guilds will adapt. Better than most, really, because having a good group means we get to synergise builds, sets and play styles to properly adjust.

Still a stupid bandaid lazy fix set tho

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Gotta love how those 24 slot guild raid not zergers are stroking each others e
gos about playing in a (large) grp.

Especially goodtimes when one knows that nothing about a set requiring massive playstyle/build adjustments will get changed. Atleast i´m on the l2p side now after shieldbreaker happened.

l2p all not zergers that are stacking on crown

Guilds will adapt. Better than most, really, because having a good group means we get to synergise builds, sets and play styles to properly adjust.

Still a stupid bandaid lazy fix set tho

Pretty sure of that.

And i agree that fixing the underlying gamemechanical problems would be a million times more desireable. Pretty much agree 100% on everything you´ve said what´s wrong with the pvp/game.

We just differ in you prefer the current version over what´s currently on pts and i´d love for pts version to be live yesterday. It´s the first time in 9 months things actually might (and i´m not even sure) improve for our playstyle. Currently it´s horrible.

Still this set will make my/our smallgrp play more enjoyable and simply being a theoretical threat to some grps might change the current toxic"chase those ap smallscale piniatats until they´re dead" mentality.

PosternHouse · February 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Gotta love how those 24 slot guild raid not zergers are stroking each others e
gos about playing in a (large) grp.

Especially goodtimes when one knows that nothing about a set requiring massive playstyle/build adjustments will get changed. Atleast i´m on the l2p side now after shieldbreaker happened.

l2p all not zergers that are stacking on crown

Guilds will adapt. Better than most, really, because having a good group means we get to synergise builds, sets and play styles to properly adjust.

Still a stupid bandaid lazy fix set tho

Pretty sure of that.

And i agree that fixing the underlying gamemechanical problems would be a million times more desireable. Pretty much agree 100% on everything you´ve said what´s wrong with the pvp/game.

We just differ in you prefer the current version over what´s currently on pts and i´d love for pts version to be live yesterday. It´s the first time in 9 months things actually might (and i´m not even sure) improve for our playstyle. Currently it´s horrible.

Still this set will make my/our smallgrp play more enjoyable and simply being a theoretical threat to some grps might change the current toxic"chase those ap smallscale piniatats until they´re dead" mentality.

I don't chase small groups in general unless they bother me. I'm objective based and go after big fights, keeps and scrolls. The easiest way to not die to my raid is to not gank my back line lol. 9/10 times if you're not attacking I won't even let my guys get off thier horse to hit you.

I'm still just upset at all these changes happening at once. Feels like the devs giving up and trying to just scrap organized groups to compensate. I guess I dunno how you think this will improve your playstyle. Baddies will still be bad and you can kill them, good players will still be a challenge, organized raids will still be something to avoid unless you have a Zerg or a raid of your own. How is this going to improve your playstyle? What groups can you not kill now that you expect to be able to kill next patch, how is this going to positively impact your play?

And honestly who cares if a raid or Zerg hunts you down? Sometimes you run into a bigger fish and get burned for it, same thing happens to me every night, sometimes they realize I've only got a smaller group instead of my normal 20+ and just run at me in a mass of red until every last one of us is dead. It happens lol

LegendaryChef · February 2016

This thread just reminds me of when shield breaker got introduced. All sorcs (including myself) whined about it day and day out but it's still here today and I have learned to deal with it.

This time all zergers whining and it will most likely go live as it is which I do support as I had to put up with brainless monkeys with weighted bows spamming me with shield breaker so your zergs that are ruining the games performance for everyone can have a turn of being blown up by a small coordinated group, seems fair right?

Zergs no longer being god mode will hopefully push players to make smaller groups and actually improve themselves as a player instead of worrying which barrier number they were and how far away from their zerg king/queen's *** they are. A step in the right direction IMO.

GRxKnight · February 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Hey don't interrupt our nostalgic DAOC talk...we're talking DAOC because DAOC is love DAOC is life

Xsorus · February 2016

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Xsorus · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Gotta love how those 24 slot guild raid not zergers are stroking each others e
gos about playing in a (large) grp.

Especially goodtimes when one knows that nothing about a set requiring massive playstyle/build adjustments will get changed. Atleast i´m on the l2p side now after shieldbreaker happened.

l2p all not zergers that are stacking on crown

Guilds will adapt. Better than most, really, because having a good group means we get to synergise builds, sets and play styles to properly adjust.

Still a stupid bandaid lazy fix set tho

Pretty sure of that.

And i agree that fixing the underlying gamemechanical problems would be a million times more desireable. Pretty much agree 100% on everything you´ve said what´s wrong with the pvp/game.

We just differ in you prefer the current version over what´s currently on pts and i´d love for pts version to be live yesterday. It´s the first time in 9 months things actually might (and i´m not even sure) improve for our playstyle. Currently it´s horrible.

Still this set will make my/our smallgrp play more enjoyable and simply being a theoretical threat to some grps might change the current toxic"chase those ap smallscale piniatats until they´re dead" mentality.

i have one issue with this set; it pushes the meta into magicka to far; same with prox detonation

Astanphaeus · February 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

i have one issue with this set; it pushes the meta into magicka to far; same with prox detonation

The meta already strongly favors Stam users, so Magicka needs this boost.

Ghost-Shot · February 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Hey don't interrupt our nostalgic DAOC talk...we're talking DAOC because DAOC is love DAOC is life

Hey remember DAOC? Plus there was DAOC