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✭This is just a branding problem. You need to re-brand the word pug and zerg to have a positive and self-affirming context. Make Zerg smell like CK1, you will look hot in your CK undies if you roll with the zerg. 9 out of 10 basement dwellers find their significant other in a zerg (remarkably true because basement dwellers tend to not run into each other in their own basements). Zergs are where people make BFFs! Some people have had cancer cured by zerging. Zerging keeps you regular even with a diet heavy in empty calories and junk food. Zerging is good for the environment. 9 out of 10 zergers have normal sex lives according to the recent article on what a normal sex life is on the BBC.
Finally, since people who play in zergs outnumber social outcasts who smell of rancid Cheetos, human grease, and hyper-active glandular excretions from their perpetually angry rage-boy personas, the majority needs to simply smother the few with love and condensation until they are silenced by shame and desperation and finally shower.
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Takllin✭✭✭✭✭I can't even with this thread anymore...
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So.... because you have the mistaken impression 4 people is a group, you define 5 people a zerg?
Games standard grpsize and double that +1. Safe bet usually. In eso id go with 13+.
Arguing 4 is not the games standard grpsize is bs.
This game was marketed as large scale pvp
Arguing that 4 is the standard group size for large scale pvp is assanine
EDIT: inb4 I'm a zerger, ask steve how hard it was to get me into raid
I've run more than 3 people in a group less than 10 times since 1.5 Edited by Lexxypwns on February 19, 2016 4:12PM1 -
ksimpscnub18_ESO✭✭✭Am I the only one that's noticing a trend on who's complaining about this set.
Pretty much everyone complaining runs a ball group of 16+ people.
Almost as if we actually play group content and understand what a mess this is going to be.
But sure, let's Ad Hom this up. Speaks volumes about the strength of your own arguments.
No you play Zerg Content...Lets not confuse it with actual Group ContentPhatGrimReaper wrote: »Am I the only one that's noticing a trend on who's complaining about this set.
Pretty much everyone complaining runs a ball group of 16+ people.
I think you'll find that many of them not only 'run in 16 man groups', but in fact run the groups..... so, you know, they may just know what they are talking about.
I fairly certain that someone who actively partakes in an activity is far more qualified to analyze said activity, than someone who sits on the sidelines complaining about said activity.......
I actually play in group content..You're not playing group content..You're playing Zerg Content
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So.... because you have the mistaken impression 4 people is a group, you define 5 people a zerg?
Games standard grpsize and double that +1. Safe bet usually. In eso id go with 13+.
Arguing 4 is not the games standard grpsize is bs.
This game was marketed as large scale pvp
Arguing that 4 is the standard group size for large scale pvp is assanine
EDIT: inb4 I'm a zerger, ask steve how hard it was to get me into raid I've run more than 3 people in a group less than 10 times since 1.5
I don´t have anything against zergs and large scale pvp. I just dislike large grps because it makes large scale pvp to easily organised.
If you can coordinate 24 ppl with the same efficiency as you can with 8 i think personally that creates problems because fighting those grps becomes near impossible without similar numbers. In eso you also get a nice frosting on the cake by having aoe caps.
This basically results in nothing but those large grps being vaible in large scale pvp (basically it´s always that way the maximum of players supportet by the grp/raidframe is optimal).
I´m pretty convinced if eso would have launched with a grp size limit of 8 to 12 many of the problems pvp has now would never have arisen simply because of the psychological effects AND the increased difficulty to coordinate people (and more easily balanced by having certain abilities only affect grpmembers).
I´m pretty sure you´ll see what i mean if you try out CU as far as i´ve read they´re somewhere between 6 and 10 ppl for grpsize and no raidframe support. Large scale pvp with many smaller grps plays vastly different than few very big grps - and it´s more fun with the first-mentioned imho.
Edited by Derra on February 19, 2016 5:07PM<Noricum>
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PosternHouse✭✭✭✭.ZERG IS NOT A REAL WORD.
Whether it be Zerg, Zerging, Zergbad, Zergalicious, ect..
It's still not a real word.
And because of this, IT HAS NO CONCRETE DEFINITION. We spend literally so much of our gaming lives fixated on this word and all of its subsets, it's like a damn cancer.
And yet, Zerg is a fictitious word. It is derived from sources outside this game. Because its origin and definition are left to interpretation by its users, everyone has their own perspective. Xsorus thinks like 1/2 a person is a zerg. Steve thinks 24 people is not a zerg. The fights go on and on and on and on and literally no one is convincing anyone else and this will never end.
The word Zerg originated from Starcraft, obviously. The Zerg's motif was producing more units than Terran or Protoss, though they tended to weaker. It worked its way into MMO jargon as a derisive critique of a large group of poor players who banded together to take objectives or win via overwhelming numbers alone. It's a way of complaining that the reason why you died or lost was primarily because of a numerical disadvantage. So it does have a meaning, but people don't use it appropriately or in context.
Then you have people like Xsorus who I am pretty sure is just arguing to save face at this point. Methinks he should find a DAoC private server and stop pestering the rest of us.3 -
PosternHouse✭✭✭✭I'm not sure why small, but elite groups didn't decide to start calling themselves Protoss. Not as much zing? lol0
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »Then you have people like Xsorus who I am pretty sure is just arguing to save face at this point. Methinks he should find a DAoC private server and stop pestering the rest of us.
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✭✭✭✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »Then you have people like Xsorus who I am pretty sure is just arguing to save face at this point. Methinks he should find a DAoC private server and stop pestering the rest of us.
But DAOC IS BEST!!!
DAoCs base mechanics are still the best in the genre in my opinion. Sadly the game is just too outdated and userunfriendly to be truely enjoyable. Also EA basically destroyed it by still running it as paytoplay.<Noricum>
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »Then you have people like Xsorus who I am pretty sure is just arguing to save face at this point. Methinks he should find a DAoC private server and stop pestering the rest of us.
But DAOC IS BEST!!!
DAoCs base mechanics are still the best in the genre in my opinion. Sadly the game is just too outdated and userunfriendly to be truely enjoyable. Also EA basically destroyed it by still running it as paytoplay.
You realize this was a troll post because Xsorus only ever talks about how things were done in DAOC...this isn't DAOC so let's stop trying to draw comparisons between the two.Member of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
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✭✭✭✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »Then you have people like Xsorus who I am pretty sure is just arguing to save face at this point. Methinks he should find a DAoC private server and stop pestering the rest of us.
But DAOC IS BEST!!!
DAoCs base mechanics are still the best in the genre in my opinion. Sadly the game is just too outdated and userunfriendly to be truely enjoyable. Also EA basically destroyed it by still running it as paytoplay.
You realize this was a troll post because Xsorus only ever talks about how things were done in DAOC...this isn't DAOC so let's stop trying to draw comparisons between the two.
I do - but while he might be stressing that a bit too extreme i can sort of get behind why he´s doing that.<Noricum>
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But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.2 -
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But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.0 -
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But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I think you mean a large zerg, because DAoC. Also remember DAoC?0 -
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But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.0 -
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But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?0 -
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✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »
But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?
I don't get it, can you elaborate a bit further?'Chaos0 -
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But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
So we have a small group and a large group. Now that we have meaningful definitions, how shall we apply them?Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »
But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?
I don't get it, can you elaborate a bit further?
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See the maximum number of players in a "large group" or "raid" in The Elder Scrolls Online is 24, there for a "group" can be anything up to 24.Edited by Ghost-Shot on February 19, 2016 7:09PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »
But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?
As i said, the game clearly differentiates between "group" and "large group". Those have, in this game's terms, two different sizes. Therefore, in this game's terms, saying that 24 people is a "group" (and yes, someone did say it) is incorrect. The correct statement is that 24 people is a "large group".Edited by Sharee on February 19, 2016 7:08PM1 -
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✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »
But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?
As i said, the game clearly differentiates between "group" and "large group". Those have, in this game's terms, two different sizes. Therefore, in this game's terms, saying that 24 people is a "group" is incorrect. The correct statement is that 24 people is a "large group".
But how is a large group not a group? It has players grouped together does it not?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »
But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?
As i said, the game clearly differentiates between "group" and "large group". Those have, in this game's terms, two different sizes. Therefore, in this game's terms, saying that 24 people is a "group" is incorrect. The correct statement is that 24 people is a "large group".
But how is a large group not a group? It has players grouped together does it not?
I am talking about the technical terms this game uses for it's two grouping mechanics. You are talking about the generic meaning of the word "group". As long as we are discussing this topic on a specialized forum dedicated to this game, the specific meaning this game gives to those terms has to take precedence over the generic meaning, to avoid confusion.1 -
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✭✭✭Are some of you people for real? Are we really arguing that more than 4 people is a zerg? Are we really basing that argument on a pop up message that appears when you add the fifth person? Do you even read it?
Nowhere does it say anything about PvP, because the whole notification is about PvE dungeons and nothing more. I understand that can be a difficult notion to wrap your heads around when you just want to complain about the 'evil zerg', so I'll give you guys some time.Some Dungeons only allow groups of 4 or fewer.
The 'large group notice' does not say anything about PvP because it was not designed to have anything to do with PvP. PvP, in case you haven't noticed is designed around large group objectives "with up to 200 players on screen at once", if you recall the official description. Am I saying small group play is bad? No. I love small group and solo play, I love that Cyrodiil is able to provide an environment where people can partake in and enjoy all levels of PvP (less so now than in the past, but that's to do with ZOS's mismanagement of the game).
So please, can you guys get it through your head: nothing magical happens when you add the 5th person to group in Cyrodiil. We've already had this argument before, with QQ'rs ranting that it was the magical 9th person that constituted the 'zerg' "because DAoC max group size was 8." And yet here we are now arbitrarily claiming 4 is the max 'non zerg' size? Is it going to be 2 in a couple weeks?1 -
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✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »
But a group is 24 people.
That's 6 groups.
That's one large group, as defined by the game. Also, someone might mention the Cyrodiil group finder says Cyrodiil is a 24 person group activity.
"Large group" is the term this game uses for a raid. You can see it when you invite a 5th player - the game informs you that "this group is now a large group" and the UI switches to raid frames.
And what do you take that to mean? It's clearly a designed system to help you run a large group in a large AvAvA zone.
I take that to mean this game clearly differentiates between a "group"(up to 4 players) and a "large group"(up to 24 players), so saying "a group is 24 people" is, in this game's terms, an incorrect statement.
No one ever said its not a large group past 5, but if you read "large group" very closely, you will notice the word group, therefore after careful examination, max group size is 24. Are you still with me here?
As i said, the game clearly differentiates between "group" and "large group". Those have, in this game's terms, two different sizes. Therefore, in this game's terms, saying that 24 people is a "group" is incorrect. The correct statement is that 24 people is a "large group".
But how is a large group not a group? It has players grouped together does it not?
I am talking about the technical terms this game uses for it's two grouping mechanics. You are talking about the generic meaning of the word "group". As long as we are discussing this topic on a specialized forum dedicated to this game, the specific meaning this game gives to those terms has to take precedence over the generic meaning, to avoid confusion.
Ok but in technical terms relevant to this game, how is a large group not still a group?0 -
GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭Large group is a subset of the term group...therefore large group is a group...end of discussion.
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