The logic here is baffling. I spent all the AP I needed to in order to get siege and repair kits, etc. But I still have a lot left over.

So I saved up a lot of AP because there was nothing else to buy. Now there's coming stuff I would be interested in buying and you're saying I shouldn't have that AP?

I'm sure I could farm it off your sorry ass pretty quickly, but no f***king way.

You say that LOTRO did it, but I assume they had stuff you would actually spend it on?

I understand that this is a better alternative to an AP cap, but I still see it as completely unnecessary, the idea that people who saved their AP should suffer by either loosing it or not getting upgraded bags is absurd and we all know it.

If they upgraded the bags on a regular basis there would of been no need to save AP... ZOS shouldn't punish people who's actions are the direct result of a problem THEY created.

@Wheeler

Maybe we wouldn't have so much bloody AP saved up if we had something worthwhile to spend it on.

In the heart of being constructive and somewhat non-offensive, I am just going to start and end with No.

Manoekin wrote: »

People have as much AP as they currently do because they didn't upgrade the gear to V16 in the first place. Upgrade it and let it run its course. Everything will even out after a couple weeks.

Also, people had millions of AP even when the gear sets were max level. I don't see how that's an actual argument.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand because most ap farmers with millions and millions of APs will never siege except to flag a keep if it's taking too long for curious pugs to check a contested ressource so they can keep farming them.

My personnal thoughts : When we finally get arenas and battlegrounds in 1year or so, they should add rating to the game and let you buy specific sets of gear every 2 months or so with higher stats on them depending of your rating achieved in rated bgs / arenas.

Ishammael wrote: »

False dilemma presented by the OP.

The reason we have millions of AP is because there is nothing to spend it on. There is nothing to spend it on b/c the AP vendors weren't updated to v16. Not much else needs to be said.

Even if we had v16 boxes now and a ton of stuff to spend AP on people would still be hoarding AP in anticipation of new sets coming out, and I agree there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, I would prefer it if we could buy the stuff right away with our stored up AP. But in the last ESO live I thought that was a clear message that we won't ever be able to get the latest gear from the vendors again, but I've jumped the gun and we're still in the 'give us our v16 boxes' stage, so I'll just jump on that band wagon for now.

Wrobel where's our v16 boxes.

I would like v16 crafting mats to be available via AP purchase. Or for the Tel Var merchants to accept AP on all goods.

Sallington wrote: »

My whole thing is, so what if people horde AP and can fully gear out 8 v16 toons on release of new sets? They earned and saved all of that AP so they'd be able to do exactly that.

I agree. But I guess now we're b2p and ZoS's whole idea of a business model going forward seems to be grind grind grind, as proved by 130 mats per v16 armour piece, I don't see them giving us v16 boxes as easily as that. I don't see v16 boxes without some AP conversion and reset, or some AP cap (which Wrobel brought up in ESO live). Nature of the game now.

One of the main reasons I stopped playing this game was because I didn't want to grind for gear every 3 months. I only play this game to PvP. Other aspects of the game just don't interest me. If I were able to buy VR16 vendor bags with a chance for some of that gear, I'd still be playing on a regular basis and my ESO+ would still be active.

Asking for an AP reset for every major patch is just ludicrous. Last year when I hit VR14 on my DK, it took me almost 4 million AP to get all the pieces of gear that I wanted. Of course you could get lucky and spend less than 100k AP and get everything you need but most the time you'll spend millions of AP.

If ZOS is afraid of having the PvP players control the market for gear, then make PvE dungeon gear bind on equip. Then the players who don't like to PvE, can purchase gear from the PvE heroes and people who avoid PvP can purchase that gear from PvP heroes.

SneaK wrote: »

The notion of AP caps was about as heinous as him mentioning how he spreads his seed in ESO.

OP's suggestion is up there also.

Ick. Keep it to yourself, Wrobel.

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

People have as much AP as they currently do because they didn't upgrade the gear to V16 in the first place. Upgrade it and let it run its course. Everything will even out after a couple weeks.

Also, people had millions of AP even when the gear sets were max level. I don't see how that's an actual argument.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand because most ap farmers with millions and millions of APs will never siege except to flag a keep if it's taking too long for curious pugs to check a contested ressource so they can keep farming them.

My personnal thoughts : When we finally get arenas and battlegrounds in 1year or so, they should add rating to the game and let you buy specific sets of gear every 2 months or so with higher stats on them depending of your rating achieved in rated bgs / arenas.

I'm one of the people with millions and millions of AP, and I siege keeps and repair walls. It's not like sieging is particularly expensive.

I got to 1 million APs recently but have always been sitting around 500k. I'm 4grades away from rank 50. Why? Not because I sell APs, because I focus on objectives 95% of my playtime and use a ton of sieges, like everybody should do instead of complaining that there is nothing to buy.

This doesn't surprise me though. The amount of times I've been following the transit lines and arriving to the front lines objective, seeing 40 EP pugs walking around with one guy sieging with a fire balista.. countless! We're getting better lately though.

Or the amount of times I've seen EP/AD/DC groups farming a strategic location for hours instead of sieging is also countless. Each his own. You wanna focus on straight killing? Sure. In the meantime, the rest of the people will focus on objectives and will use sieges accordingly and will sit on 1million AP or so. Not millions and millions.. that's ridiculous.

Most of my farms come from trying to siege a keep, getting chased off by numbers, and than settling in until they're scared enough to let me start a siege line. Chal mine is amazing for that, you can focus people on it by staying there for 30 min, sneak off, quick flag Chal north before anyone realizes what happened.

But I dunno, AP is just easy to get. I buy over 40 siege Per Raid! Not to mention wall repair, all the AP pots I burn through... And I'm still sitting at 8.7 million

My EP toon only has 1.3m because, surprise surprise, I sold it all when there were sets worth buying.