I want to craft but...

teladoy · February 2016

Law of Julianos, but when I checked the location is in... Wrothgar?

I canceled my subscription the week before, because I realize I'm paying for a service I don't share, but now I see, that if I don't do it I can not be in the same conditions of people who does.

Was not the ideology of the crown store: "pay not to win"? but it seem, that it is "pay to be better" right? pay to have better gear? better drops? better chances to craft all the new gears?

Thanks zenimax, now I have another reason to don't even login anymore. This is just disgusting.

Sunburnt_Penguin · February 2016

Aside from the "pay to be better issue".. I'm sure a kind soul will craft a set for you if you send them the materials and ask nicely.

KhajiitiLizard · February 2016

It's in a DLC zone... you lose DLC access when you stop subbing. It's actually better to sub for a few months, then cancel and use the free crowns to buy the DLC. The xp bonus from plus is not worth it.

Marrtha · February 2016

Yeah, you can just find someone to craft it for you.
And every DLC clearly states - available for the subs, can be purchased via Crown Store.
Players who paid for Orsinium do not get 'better gear', 'better drops' (??!!), nor do they get CHANCES to craft all the new gears.

You can't expect to have the entire game for free. Julianos is obtainable by everyone and anyone, just like any other crafted set.

teladoy · February 2016

No dude!!

Is a lie, is a way to say, you don't need this, but if you don't, you are not the same as others. There are some things I can accept I will not enjoy if I don't pay.

But if the ideology of "pay not to win" is pure, they should not conditionate the players to don't have access to some things like crafting stations... because crafting is something I'm doing in my own, I'm not runing a dungeon in a DLC to get X set.

I'm not using the DLC content, I'm doing it by my own, I craft my sets, I'm not runing DLC dungeons, or doing PVE, or etc...

Do you get the enormeus difference???

They are letting the people who don't pay every DLC in unfavorable circunstances, some times even in disadvantage and every DLC will be a little bit more and more.

babylon · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

Do you get the enormeus difference???

The only difference between you and someone else not buying the DLC/subbing is you're unwilling to let someone craft the set for you.

Get over that and you'll be good to go.

willymchilybily · February 2016

new content comes out with new gear. if you want the new gear you need the new content. Welcome to every online game that has DLC ever.

Not my idea of "disgusting" lol.....What is wrong with people? least some one can craft it for you in this game. QQ over quite literately nothing.

teladoy · February 2016

babylon wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Do you get the enormeus difference???

The only difference between you and someone else not buying the DLC/subbing is you're unwilling to let someone craft the set for you.

Get over that and you'll be good to go.

But then why do I play? why do I bother to get motifs, materials and etc? if I just have to ask to others to do the things for me, when I can, but I can not, because a supreme power don't let me do it.

Humatiel · February 2016

thats crazy, it's almost like they are making a DLC for new content that is coming from the DLC they are making. Oh and get this, it's new content that players ask for and find useful! Like I said absolutely out of this world crazy that it's not a dlc based around a thousand new armor dyes.

If you're after the top 1% of game content then buying the DLC is exactly what you should be doing for optimal (goal oriented) competitive play. Those that choose not to invest money into ESO tend to be more casuals with limited time/inclination to advance beyond a certain point.

Alorier · February 2016

Do people expect Zos to just give away everything for free they are a company so like every other company have to make money , so I don't see it as pay to win but as play to extend the life of the game

Refuse2GrowUp · February 2016

Just here to complain. eh. Easy fix: Have someone craft for you. But rather than that, you want to make a statement. Well, here is a statement for you...

Go to your job, listen to everyone whine and complain about everything you do, and do it all for free with no expectation of earning any income or profit. When you are good with these conditions, Zeni may be also. Maybe then they will work for free and continue to bring you new continent without an expectation of you paying, all while listening to you whine here on the forums.

KhajitFurTrader · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Do you get the enormeus difference???

The only difference between you and someone else not buying the DLC/subbing is you're unwilling to let someone craft the set for you.

Get over that and you'll be good to go.

But then why do I play? why do I bother to get motifs, materials and etc? if I just have to ask to others to do the things for me, when I can, but I can not, because a supreme power don't let me do it.

That "supreme power" is called "yourself".

Paske · February 2016

First of all - its a crafting station in a DLC zone. Hence you need DLC to reach it. Kinda simple logic.

Second of all - if anyone with mats and some gold to tip the crafter can get it its not P2W.

If you would get legendary set of Julianos in Crown store and only in Crown store - THAT would be P2W.

As to question why do you play - you are the only one that can answer that.
I do it because its fun.

RatedChaotic · February 2016

You dont want to pay for the content to get new sets and dont wanna ask guildies or people for help. Thats your choice. Have fun playing.

Carraig · February 2016

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

That "supreme power" is called "yourself".

I'd say that supreme power is pride.

Abeille · February 2016

You subscribe for a service, that being access to all dlc.

You stop subscribing, you stop receiving the service.

Only you get tokens (crowns) while you subscribe, and you can use these tokens to get permanent access to that service.

If you ever subscribed to anything else in your life, or even if you ever paid rent, you should know that the way ESO does it is pretty costumer-friendly. It would be like if Netflix gave you "Netflix points" for your subscription that could be used to buy series so you could keep watching them if your sub elapsed, or if your landlord gave the equivalent of the price of your rent in tokens that let you buy the apartment after you paid for enough months.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Oh, TES has always been awfully p2w. Even in Morrowind, you couldnt craft glass armor without Tribunal expansion, can you imagine that?

Not to mention cool weapons like Trueflame. You couldnt become a werewolf without Bloodmoon either. And even full daedric set of armor was behinf a paywall (well, if you dont consider killing certain npc)
And Oblivion... Those awesome golden saint/dark seducer items were only available for those who bought Shivering Isles, can you imagine that.
Skyrim wasnt any better of course. Some of those neat features, like being able to build a house, become a vampire lord or visit Solstheim were locked behind paywalls.
P.S. On a serious note, ESO base game has more content than Skyrim.

Refuse2GrowUp · February 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Oh, TES has always been awfully p2w. Even in Morrowind, you couldnt craft glass armor without Tribunal expansion, can you imagine that? Not to mention cool weapons like Trueflame. You couldnt become a werewolf without Bloodmoon either. And even full daedric set of armor was behinf a paywall (well, if you dont consider killing certain npc)
And Oblivion... Those awesome golden saint/dark seducer items were only available for those who bought Shivering Isles, can you imagine that.
Skyrim wasnt any better of course. Some of those neat features, like being able to build a house, become a vampire lord or visit Solstheim were locked behind paywalls.
P.S. On a serious note, ESO base game has more content than Skyrim.

Yes yes, and a college degree is locked behind tuition, and a house behind a mortgage, a night at the movie behind the cost of a ticket, hell, even groceries are locked behind a terrible "pay-wall" called cost. Life is soooooo unfair; sooooo pay to win.

Tryxus · February 2016

There ain't enough facepalms in the world...

Acsvf · February 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Oh, TES has always been awfully p2w. Even in Morrowind, you couldnt craft glass armor without Tribunal expansion, can you imagine that? Not to mention cool weapons like Trueflame. You couldnt become a werewolf without Bloodmoon either. And even full daedric set of armor was behinf a paywall (well, if you dont consider killing certain npc)
And Oblivion... Those awesome golden saint/dark seducer items were only available for those who bought Shivering Isles, can you imagine that.
Skyrim wasnt any better of course. Some of those neat features, like being able to build a house, become a vampire lord or visit Solstheim were locked behind paywalls.
P.S. On a serious note, ESO base game has more content than Skyrim.

But you can ask other to craft for you in this game, which lets you access gear that would normally be from a DLC! Wouldn't that mean this game is a step to a brighter and better future of non-p2w for TES games?

daemonios · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

Law of Julianos, but when I checked the location is in... Wrothgar?

I canceled my subscription the week before, because I realize I'm paying for a service I don't share, but now I see, that if I don't do it I can not be in the same conditions of people who does.

Was not the ideology of the crown store: "pay not to win"? but it seem, that it is "pay to be better" right? pay to have better gear? better drops? better chances to craft all the new gears?

Thanks zenimax, now I have another reason to don't even login anymore. This is just disgusting.

Then maybe stop being a freeloader? Subscribe or buy the DLC. The whole world isn't here to pay for your gaming.

Reevster · February 2016

daemonios wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Law of Julianos, but when I checked the location is in... Wrothgar?

I canceled my subscription the week before, because I realize I'm paying for a service I don't share, but now I see, that if I don't do it I can not be in the same conditions of people who does.

Was not the ideology of the crown store: "pay not to win"? but it seem, that it is "pay to be better" right? pay to have better gear? better drops? better chances to craft all the new gears?

Thanks zenimax, now I have another reason to don't even login anymore. This is just disgusting.

Then maybe stop being a freeloader? Subscribe or buy the DLC. The whole world isn't here to pay for your gaming.

This....

Sometimes I wish eso was sub only like it was when it first came out to stop all this nonsense, nothing is truly "free" in this world , whats with this "entitlement" generation anyways?

ADarklore · February 2016

Clearly the OP has never played another MMO because if he had he'd realize that EVERY MMO has DLCs that one must have in order to get some sort of advancement- whether it be gear or leveling. I'd say ESO is probably the LEAST of those in that, you don't NEED the DLC crafted gear in order to progress so I think the OP is confusing NEED with WANT... as a player doesn't NEED Julianos gear to be successful in ESO and therefore is not P2W.

nine9six · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

...I'm not using the DLC content...

But you want access to the DLC area to craft a DLC-introduced gear set? I'm guessing you spent your crowns on something trivial, like an annoying pet...or a super-sweet mount, when they could have been used to grant you access to the area with the gear sets you want to craft?

Regardless, if you ask in Zone (any Zone, TBH) or in Guild Chat, I'm sure someone will craft it for you.

This is also a way for people to make some Gold on the (don't get my started) terrible Guild Traders. Craft sets that people don't have access to.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

OP just learned a new phase and is learning the meaning of it. don't hate him for not getting the meaning

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

You're thought process...isn't good or accurate.
I'm not sure if this is due to listening to the media or other gamer and gaming sites vs. reading the developers info but the game removed the requirement of a sub to allow different types of customers to either
1. Continue with the sub model for DLC access and as a bonus they get other rewards to use in the crown shop (real $ items)
2. use the crown shop to buy DLC as they desire similar to the modern DLC market place of some other games.

I'm not sure why you have the mindset you do, but please go to the source prior to being upset which seems based on inaccurate assumptions. Content (in this case crafting stations) placed in DLC, are subject to having access to that DLC BUT you can purchase items created by others who have DLC and use those items without purchasing it yourself from a trade or guild trader from another player.

Facts are here: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/01/21/your-guide-to-eso-plus-premium-membership

When The Elder Scrolls® Online: Tamriel Unlimited™ launches, current subscribers won’t need to do a thing to enjoy the many benefits offered by our new premium membership: ESO Plus. Just keep playing and you will automatically become a member, allowing you to take advantage of the great perks that will enhance your in-game experience when Tamriel Unlimited arrives.
......

While you’re a member, you’ll enjoy faster progression thanks to the helpful buffs to XP, gold, and crafting, and you’ll be able to access any DLC game pack that’s available. If your membership ends, you’ll still be able to play ESO (and keep any items and rewards you earned playing within DLC), but you won’t be able to access DLC game pack content that you haven’t purchased separately.

nine9six · February 2016

You're supposed to flame. Not inform.

jk jk

clayandaudrey_ESO · February 2016

davidtxr wrote: »

Do people expect Zos to just give away everything for free

Yes, yes they do.

Takes-No-Prisoner · February 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Aside from the "pay to be better issue".. I'm sure a kind soul will craft a set for you if you send them the materials and ask nicely.

^^^^^^

I have been asked to craft the set by friends. All they do is fork over their mats, I run over and craft it then come back and trade it to them.

That does sound scary how I wrote that. Obviously, only hand mats to someone you trust. I'm not that kinda person whose gonna take 600 Silks and 300 Rub ingots and peace out. But it can happen if you talk with the wrong person. So word of caution to you OP. I am one of those people who understands not everyone has the money set aside for a subscription or can buy the DLC. Cause, if the person I was dealing with had the DLC, I'd prefer they be next to me while I craft the goods and not just be somewhere else. When you put that much time into getting the mats--then giving it to some dude to craft your new baby, you want everything to go perfectly.

Marrtha · February 2016

This is why ESO should have not gone B2P. Only qqers like this will arise and nothing good will come out of it.

Robbmrp · February 2016

teladoy wrote: »

Law of Julianos, but when I checked the location is in... Wrothgar?

I canceled my subscription the week before, because I realize I'm paying for a service I don't share, but now I see, that if I don't do it I can not be in the same conditions of people who does.

Was not the ideology of the crown store: "pay not to win"? but it seem, that it is "pay to be better" right? pay to have better gear? better drops? better chances to craft all the new gears?

Thanks zenimax, now I have another reason to don't even login anymore. This is just disgusting.

Yeah, that's one of the downsides of DLC's but understandable that there will be things you can't get unless you buy it. They do have to offer incentives for people to spend the money on it after all. So far my wife and I have really enjoyed all of the new DLC content and don't regret any purchases.