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Debate: Argonian or Khajiit with a human or elf is it...
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at all
We -are- talking about ESO here, aren't we?RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »
Umm not in morrowind if anything the males looklike they have larger breasts...TheShadowScout wrote: »Their maidens (and maids) have breast-ish chest areas so I would think the hist copied more from mammals then some people might think when they made the saxheel...
Though I'd agree it'd have made more sense if argonian girls had no "breast size" slider because "lizard". But somewhere along the line some designer went "boobies... heh..." and now we Just have to deal with it!
Darn. Now I remember another anatomical detail of lizards and am starting to wonder about the argonian males...
I have to say though, the point about sentience and fully informed consent is the one I'd go with.0 -
TheSwanKing✭✭✭just being a furry or lizard equivalentActually Argonians don't have a set gender, when they are born they're genderless and Ingest hist sap to determine their gender.
If an arognian wanted to he could I fest more tree sap and possibley change gender, just remember that when you're ERP with a female argonian... You're technically doing a man as well lol0 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at all
What about two humans who are incapable of producing offspring together?
I tend to lean this way as well. In my mind, if they can't reproduce due to being too different biologically, then maybe it's not the best idea for them to be romantically involved. I don't know about "illegal", but if I woke up in Tamriel, I probably wouldn't get sexually involved with a species that I can't have viable offspring with. I don't view them as different "races" but more like different "species". Someone mentioned black and white people being romantically involved irl. The difference there is we are definitely of the same human species and can produce viable offspring if the two people wanted to. Again, not sure I'd make it illegal, but that's my personal taste. I could see having a relationship with a Khajiit for example, just not a sexual relationship. My opinion.LiquidSchwartz wrote: »slumber_sandb16_ESO wrote: »The difference is that Khajit and Argonians are sentient civilized races on the same intellect level as humans so.. each to their own I guess.
Everyone knows Orc women are the best women anyway.
well that doesnt change the fact that its bestiality even if they are humanoid.
they're still not human and more bestial
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RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nothing wrong with it as long as it's consensual...Khajitt and Argonians are more "aware" than their earth counterparts. They are not merely "animals" and therefore it cannot be considered bestiality.
And in case anyone is interested: here is my concept for a Hybrid character creation mechanic in ESO:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153977/eso-character-offspring-a-hybrid-character-concept/p1
This is from that thread:
Bosmer Mother & Argonian Father
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Argonian Master Race
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RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
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What about two humans who are incapable of producing offspring together?
I tend to lean this way as well. In my mind, if they can't reproduce due to being too different biologically, then maybe it's not the best idea for them to be romantically involved. I don't know about "illegal", but if I woke up in Tamriel, I probably wouldn't get sexually involved with a species that I can't have viable offspring with. I don't view them as different "races" but more like different "species". Someone mentioned black and white people being romantically involved irl. The difference there is we are definitely of the same human species and can produce viable offspring if the two people wanted to. Again, not sure I'd make it illegal, but that's my personal taste. I could see having a relationship with a Khajiit for example, just not a sexual relationship. My opinion.LiquidSchwartz wrote: »slumber_sandb16_ESO wrote: »The difference is that Khajit and Argonians are sentient civilized races on the same intellect level as humans so.. each to their own I guess.
Everyone knows Orc women are the best women anyway.
well that doesnt change the fact that its bestiality even if they are humanoid.
they're still not human and more bestial
they are both *** sapiens so that has no bearing here that is usually caused by a medical problem this debate is on the cross species aspect.
Edit stupid profanity filter won't even let me use the official term for humans because the first word has been thrown around as an insult by idiots.Edited by RAGUNAnoOne on February 19, 2016 1:34AMPS4 NA
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Veske_Valrune✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allBecause they're not animals, they're people too! Also if you're sharing skooma..PCNorth American ServerDaggerfall Covenant0 -
Metamon✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allNothing wrong with it, Argonians and Khajiit are people
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Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherI selected 'other' cos the best current theory is Argonians may be at least partially botanical. I don't even know if there's a word for that.
Seriously though, nothing wrong it. The moral issue with bestiality is the inability of animals to provide consent. They can't speak. On top of that you have the fact that like children, animals are less intelligent/aware and are completely under our control so there's also a major power imbalance. But unless you've smeared yourself with moon sugar or hist sap, Khajiit and Argonians should be perfectly capable of saying 'no'. So we're talking about consenting adults.
My mind boggles slightly at the thought of getting it on with either. Especially Khajiit. You'd be constantly pulling hair out of your mouth. But it's consenting adults doing something which doesn't affect, let alone hurt, anyone else so there's no reasonable grounds for anyone to object.2 -
Azzuria✭✭✭✭✭OtherIndifferent.
Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
Reeza gra-Zuni - Orc Templar 'War Shaman' and Apothecary
Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
Kitera Dreamon - Breton of The Dominion: Because those Daggers don't appreciate a great Mage.
Lysara Shadowcroft - Dunmer Bloodmage: This will only hurt a lot.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegalthis is only a few examples of some mixed vegetables effected by .... toying with the DNA.
so yeah ....
might want to rethink a few of those emotions before you ... um ...
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegaland right now the polls on this thread says:
"46% believe nothing wrong with it at all"
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You see.....when a boy argonian and a girl argonian really love each other.......0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegalThey are animals, Argonians lay eggs for crying out loud, that should be enough to tell you not to do it.1 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegal
I fear for the human race....dwemer_paleologist wrote: »and right now the polls on this thread says:
"46% believe nothing wrong with it at all"
yeah ...
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KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
I fear for the human race....dwemer_paleologist wrote: »and right now the polls on this thread says:
"46% believe nothing wrong with it at all"
yeah ...
I fear for the people who would consider others as lesser... just because the are a different species... mind you a fully sentient species... that causes genocide. Whether you like it or not, the creators of the game have added many interspecies couples in the game... DEAL WITH IT.
/end threadEdited by KhajiitiLizard on February 19, 2016 7:43AM2 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegal
"mind you a fully sentient species"KhajiitiLizard wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
I fear for the human race....dwemer_paleologist wrote: »and right now the polls on this thread says:
"46% believe nothing wrong with it at all"
yeah ...
I fear for the people who would consider others as lesser... just because the are a different species... mind you a fully sentient species... that causes genocide. Whether you like it or not, the creators of the game have added many interspecies couples in the game... DEAL WITH IT.
/end thread
So are Dogs and Cats and Cows and Horses..or are you claiming that sentience is anything special? in that case your perceiving creatures that are non sentient as lesser beings which goes against what you just said, also their is a reason Khajiit and Argonians are classified as Beast Races.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on February 19, 2016 7:51AM1 -
Chelos✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »They are animals, Argonians lay eggs for crying out loud, that should be enough to tell you not to do it.
How dare you call Argonians animals? Just because of their looks? And because they lay eggs?
Have years of Star Treck, DS5, Dr.Who and so on taught you nothing?- Ich bin nicht merkwürdig ich bin eine limitierte Auflage!
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegal
I don't watch any of those shows you mentioned infact I ain't got a clue what the 2nd one is, also they are animals, they are after all classified as Beast Races in pretty much every ES game.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »They are animals, Argonians lay eggs for crying out loud, that should be enough to tell you not to do it.
How dare you call Argonians animals? Just because of their looks? And because they lay eggs?
Have years of Star Treck, DS5, Dr.Who and so on taught you nothing?
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KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
and your saying a dog or an ape isn't sentient?KhajiitiLizard wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
I fear for the human race....dwemer_paleologist wrote: »and right now the polls on this thread says:
"46% believe nothing wrong with it at all"
yeah ...
I fear for the people who would consider others as lesser... just because the are a different species... mind you a fully sentient species... that causes genocide. Whether you like it or not, the creators of the game have added many interspecies couples in the game... DEAL WITH IT.
/end thread
Can a dog speak a written language? Do dogs have established governments? I understand that many apes do understand language but they can't speak with a voice. Yes animal do have emotions... but they can't consent cause they can't speak words.
Khajiit and Argonians speak like humans do, walk like humans do, have organized wars like humans do... Not to mention that they have sex not just for reproduction, but because they enjoy it. (Well, I don't know about Argonians, them being reptiles in all...).
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegalSuch hostility up here and for no legit reason.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on February 19, 2016 8:05AM2 -
Chelos✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at all
Well then you probably should start watchingTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I don't watch any of those shows you mentioned infact I ain't got a clue what the 2nd one is, ...
Of course they are called beast race as they needed to coin a term for those anthropomorphic Races that didn't sound too modern to fit into their settings. And as an an.alogy though a mass-murder on earth could be titled beast or bestial, he/she is not an animal either.
However all of the player races in ESO are sentient and as can be seen from the spirits you encounter in the game apparently have something that we would call soul. We should not fall into the earth-centered trap here.
These Races are no animals, no more than any human is on this planet.
- Ich bin nicht merkwürdig ich bin eine limitierte Auflage!
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegal
Im pretty sure the mudcrab merchant can talk and is fully aware of its existence, would you not call it an animal when it is still physically a mudcrab? also if it makes you feel any better I share the same views that many Dunmer do, I want my Suthay Fur Coat and My Saxhleel skin Boots.
Well then you probably should start watchingTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I don't watch any of those shows you mentioned infact I ain't got a clue what the 2nd one is, ...
Of course they are called beast race as they needed to coin a term for those anthropomorphic Races that didn't sound too modern to fit into their settings. And as an an.alogy though a mass-murder on earth could be titled beast or bestial, he/she is not an animal either.
However all of the player races in ESO are sentient and as can be seen from the spirits you encounter in the game apparently have something that we would call soul. We should not fall into the earth-centered trap here.
These Races are no animals, no more than any human is on this planet.
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KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allYou would kill people just for shoes and a coat? You sir are all kinds of screwed up.
RPing a character's views is one thing... but...
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Many Khajiit (Dagi, Ohmes, etc) actually look pretty much the same as Bosmer... that sexy Bosmer chick you have a crush on? Hah, she's Khajiit. Go play TES:II and the Khajiit look very human to me.
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegal
[snip] ...it is obvious you love Khajiit and Argonians and your sharing your views and I as well am Sharing my views but you don't see me name calling and directly insulting others because they do not share my views.KhajiitiLizard wrote: »You would kill people just for shoes and a coat? You sir are all kinds of screwed up.
RPing a character's views is one thing... but...
Many Khajiit (Dagi, Ohmes, etc) actually look pretty much the same as Bosmer... that sexy Bosmer chick you have a crush on? Hah, she's Khajiit. Go play TES:II and the Khajiit look very human to me.
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KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allSo saying an entire race is lesser because they are different isn't being rude? You can personally attack an entire race (even fictional), and it's fine... call one person out on their bullcrap and it's not.
If characters in this game can see past physical differences, a love the person for who they are... why can't you in real life?
Say, you told that Bosmer man who has a Khajiit wife, that his wife if s filthy animal...
What would happen? You'd get a blade in the gut.
It's fantasy game... and having anthropomorphic races is a fantasy staple that goes back decades.
On Nirn, the beast races are more alike to the elves and humans than you realize. How many animals wear clothes?
Anyway, I'm done feeding the troll.Edited by KhajiitiLizard on February 19, 2016 9:08AM0 -
Chelos✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »[Im pretty sure the mudcrab merchant can talk and is fully aware of its existence, would you not call it an animal when it is still physically a mudcrab? also if it makes you feel any better I share the same views that many Dunmer do, I want my Suthay Fur Coat and My Saxhleel skin Boots.
There is no sentient creature that I would call animal.
Mudcrab, Daedra who is anyone to humiliate them just because they do not look human(-oid)?
I recently have very ambiguous thougts about Gorillas and Chimpanzees and other kinds of monkeys and even whales and some dolphin sorts. As they appear to be even more sentient than general belief would credit them.
I must admit with the last sentence I have a huge issue. Making clothing from a sentient creatures fur is no laughing matter and I do assume this is non reflected provocation so I will not dwell on it.- Ich bin nicht merkwürdig ich bin eine limitierte Auflage!
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegal
"If characters in this game can see past physical differences, a love the person for who they are... why can't you in real life?"KhajiitiLizard wrote: »So saying an entire race is lesser because they are different isn't being rude? You can personally attack an entire race (even fictional), and it's fine... call one person out on their bullcrap and it's not.
If characters in this game can see past physical differences, a love the person for who they are... why can't you in real life?
Say, you told that Bosmer man who has a Khajiit wife, that his wife if s filthy animal...
What would happen? You'd get a blade in the gut.
It's fantasy game... and having anthropomorphic races is a fantasy staple that goes back decades.
On Nirn, the beast races are more alike to the elves and humans than you realize. How many animals wear clothes?
Anyway, I'm done feeding the troll.
We are talking about "fictional" creatures here not those in real life, how are you getting them confused? which mind you I am far more tolerant of, You are merely assuming I'm not for no reason at all, as I said before I share the same views as the Dunmer when it comes to how I see the races in ES....this is a game and these a fictional races don't you forget that.
"Say, you told that Bosmer man who has a Khajiit wife, that his wife if s filthy animal...What would happen? You'd get a blade in the gut."
No I wouldnt because If that were the case then I would actually be living on Nirn and If I were living on Nirn then I would be someone of Nirn and well in that case lets just say I would have more important things to do then telling a Bosmer what I think of his wife..like drinking all of his blood or Ripping his soul out.
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willymchilybily✭✭✭✭... i think its better not to think about. Especially for the angonians. They lay eggs means lizard geneology means cloaca for both parties. But then why would a female animal/reptile have mammary glands. especially if the male doesnt (no nips). That's a mammal thing and if they dont have them why do they have any enlargement of that area at all? and why do they cover up if they have nothing to cover?
IT MAKES NO SENSE!
we should just enslave them all again.Edited by willymchilybily on February 19, 2016 9:48AMPSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7202 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's pure bestiality and should be illegal
As I said I share the more Dunmeri view where many of them see Argonians as mere slaves who should work the fields..this has no reflection on how I view things in real life just so you know although I do believe having a relationship with anything not of your species is wrong and even if Argonians are sentient they are still a different species to a Human.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »[Im pretty sure the mudcrab merchant can talk and is fully aware of its existence, would you not call it an animal when it is still physically a mudcrab? also if it makes you feel any better I share the same views that many Dunmer do, I want my Suthay Fur Coat and My Saxhleel skin Boots.
There is no sentient creature that I would call animal.
Mudcrab, Daedra who is anyone to humiliate them just because they do not look human(-oid)?
I recently have very ambiguous thougts about Gorillas and Chimpanzees and other kinds of monkeys and even whales and some dolphin sorts. As they appear to be even more sentient than general belief would credit them.
I must admit with the last sentence I have a huge issue. Making clothing from a sentient creatures fur is no laughing matter and I do assume this is non reflected provocation so I will not dwell on it.
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KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭nothing wrong with it at allYou probably think it's wrong because it's not an issue in real life... but if there happened to be another sentient species, the same level as humans, living on Earth... oh boy...
Hypothetically speaking, you'd be on the same boat as homophobes and racists.
Now, I'm really done here. Goodnight!
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