Nightblade passive imbalances

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

It seems every time there's an imbalance where stamina has an advantage it gets "fixed". This can be seen with the change to Refreshing Shadows (From 30% stam regen to 15% increased regen for all sources).

So lets look at every Nightblade passive, and let me know if you spot any imbalances. (Not looking at group utility, just self buffs)

Master Assassin: +10% Weapon and Spell damage when hidden, +100% longer stealth stun time.
Executioner: Restore magicka when killing an opponent with an Assassination ability
Pressure Points: Increases crit chance per Assassination ability slotted
Hemorrhage: +10% crit damage
Refreshing Shadows: +15% health, stamina and magicka regen
Shadow Barrier: Grants major ward and major resolve after activating a shadow ability
Fortitude: Increases max health per slotted shadow ability
Dark Veil: Increases duration of shadow abilities by 15%
Catalyst: Drinking potions grants Ultimate
Magicka Flood: +8% Max magicka with a Siphoning ability slotted
Soul Siphoner: Increased healing per siphoning ability slotted
Transfer: Boosts ultimate gain after activating a siphoning ability

Now how many of these passives are only beneficial to magicka builds? 2
Executioner and Magicka Flood

How many of these passives are only beneficial to stamina builds? 0
Not a single one

My suggestion to create balance?
Change the Executioner passive to mirror the Magicka Flood passive, and have it grant +8% Max Stamina when there's an Assassination ability slotted.

GreenSoup2HoT · February 2016

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked/stealthed useless?
20(pts) Ult on potion use useless? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources useless?
3% hp per shadow skill slotted useless?
crit chance per assassination skill slotted useless?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect maximum stamina does not mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

I dont wanna seem rude but nb's are the last class in need of passive help, i almost feel guilty because they are so good....

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Did I say any of them were useless? No.
What I'm addressing is the fact that ZOS is constantly trying to balance stamina with magicka, although the only changes they ever make are the ones where stamina has an advantage, but they never touch the passives that are only useful to magicka builds.

GrumpyDuckling · February 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina does not mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Not sure what's so bad about stamina sorc passives. Stamina regen was added and there is + weapon damage for having a sorc ability slotted.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina does not mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Not sure what's so bad about stamina sorc passives. Stamina regen was added and there is + weapon damage for having a sorc ability slotted.

Yeah they're pretty good 5% cost reduction to stamina and magicka abilities, +20% health and stamina regen, 15% cost reduction to Ultimates, and increased weapon damage per storm ability slotted? I would not be complaining.

GreenSoup2HoT · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Did I say any of them were useless? No.
What I'm addressing is the fact that ZOS is constantly trying to balance stamina with magicka, although the only changes they ever make are the ones where stamina has an advantage, but they never touch the passives that are only useful to magicka builds.

How many of these passives are only beneficial to stamina builds? 0
Not a single one

Well you did say not a single passive was beneficial....

Bossdonut · February 2016

Are you seriously suggesting that the class with the best passives in the game needs better passives?

Is this thread for real? Am I hallucinating?

GreenSoup2HoT · February 2016

@GrumpyDuckling

You gotta talk to @FENGRUSH about this one. He would be able to make a claim for stamina sorc's better then me.

All i know is they are not that great. Stamina Sorcs hardly slot any class abilitys to even benifit from their passives since there is nothing to really use.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Did I say any of them were useless? No.
What I'm addressing is the fact that ZOS is constantly trying to balance stamina with magicka, although the only changes they ever make are the ones where stamina has an advantage, but they never touch the passives that are only useful to magicka builds.

How many of these passives are only beneficial to stamina builds? 0
Not a single one

Well you did say not a single passive was benefical....

No, I said how many passives are only beneficial to stamina builds. The majority of the passives are beneficial to both play styles; however there are two passives that are magicka focused; whereas not a single passive is only beneficial to stamina users.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Bossdonut wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that the class with the best passives in the game needs better passives?

Is this thread for real? Am I hallucinating?

Is this comment for real? Am I hallucinating? Is this person saying that the Nightblade has the best passives in the game?

Somebody hasn't created a sorcerer yet.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@GrumpyDuckling

You gotta talk to @FENGRUSH about this one. He would be able to make a claim for stamina sorc's better then me.

All i know is they are not that great. Stamina Sorcs hardly slot any class abilitys to even benifit from their passives since there is nothing to really use.

Stam sorc have amazing passives. What they lack is useful class abilities.

Bossdonut · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Bossdonut wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that the class with the best passives in the game needs better passives?

Is this thread for real? Am I hallucinating?

Is this comment for real? Am I hallucinating? Is this person saying that the Nightblade has the best passives in the game?

Somebody hasn't created a sorcerer yet.

Oh sorry I was too busy standing in my house with my own passives, one if which reads "5% increased chance to die."

templesus · February 2016

Quit whining, run a stamplar. Our passives are sh**

GreenSoup2HoT · February 2016

@Strider_Roshin

You could claim the crit passives are stamina based because you gain more critical with medium armour...

Every passive is good for a stamina nightblade also. I dont care if they work for magicka aswell.

You relize the magicka returns from kills with assassination skills are very good for stamina builds to right? The max magicka is nice to, sure its not max stamina but its still good.

If you wanna fight for max stamina then say so but plenty of players would disagree with you.

Bossdonut · February 2016

templesus wrote: »

Quit whining, run a stamplar. Our passives are sh**

Real talk OP iz dum.

CP5 · February 2016

Right now NB's have the best selection of passives, sorry you feel that powerful passives that apply to most/all builds aren't cutting it. I'll gladly point out how refreshing shadows is 50% stronger than the sorcerer passive capacitor (which only provides magicka regen), is as strong as a dk running 3 draconic power skills per bar, and still is 50% stronger than it was on release without the need to use shadow skills. Or how any syphoning skill being slotted gives 8% max magicka (with added healing done per skill) were as the oh so hated magicka sorcerer needs to slot a toggle per bar for the same effect. And that leaves nothing said about templars.

GrumpyDuckling · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@GrumpyDuckling

You gotta talk to @FENGRUSH about this one. He would be able to make a claim for stamina sorc's better then me.

All i know is they are not that great. Stamina Sorcs hardly slot any class abilitys to even benifit from their passives since there is nothing to really use.

Stam sorc have amazing passives. What they lack is useful class abilities.

I agree with this person. Sorc passives have best in class stamina regen.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

templesus wrote: »

Quit whining, run a stamplar. Our passives are sh**

I have a stamplar and they're friggin amazing. 10% more crit damage AND +10% more damage done to blocking opponents. Then you have a 25% chance to do free damage every time you use biting jabs which is a single target, and AoE, a snare, and it buffs your crit chance by 20%. Should I mention the balanced warrior passive or how about the fact you get +30% stamina and health regen by activating Restoring Aura? Trust me, Stamplars are not hurting.

Bossdonut · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Quit whining, run a stamplar. Our passives are sh**

I have a stamplar and they're friggin amazing. 10% more crit damage AND +10% more damage done to blocking opponents. Then you have a 25% chance to do free damage every time you use biting jabs which is a single target, and AoE, a snare, and it buffs your crit chance by 20%. Should I mention the balanced warrior passive or how about the fact you get +30% stamina and health regen by activating Restoring Aura? Trust me, Stamplars are not hurting.

Are you on drugs?

CP5 · February 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@GrumpyDuckling

You gotta talk to @FENGRUSH about this one. He would be able to make a claim for stamina sorc's better then me.

All i know is they are not that great. Stamina Sorcs hardly slot any class abilitys to even benifit from their passives since there is nothing to really use.

Stam sorc have amazing passives. What they lack is useful class abilities.

I agree with this person. Sorc passives have best in class stamina regen.

Shame the only ways to get that passive working on a stam sorc is either with a pet or bound armor. So many passives that could be real useful, just no realistic method to use them.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

have you seen the templar passives?

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

CP5 wrote: »

Right now NB's have the best selection of passives, sorry you feel that powerful passives that apply to most/all builds aren't cutting it. I'll gladly point out how refreshing shadows is 50% stronger than the sorcerer passive capacitor (which only provides magicka regen), is as strong as a dk running 3 draconic power skills per bar, and still is 50% stronger than it was on release without the need to use shadow skills. Or how any syphoning skill being slotted gives 8% max magicka (with added healing done per skill) were as the oh so hated magicka sorcerer needs to slot a toggle per bar for the same effect. And that leaves nothing said about templars.

50% stronger with magicka regen, yes. However the sorc has 30% more stamina and health regen. Lets add it up:

Nightblade: 15% magicka + 15% stamina + 15% health = 45% total

Sorcerer: 10% magicka + 20% stamina + 20% health = 50% total

On top of this sorcs also get 5% cost reduction to magicka and stamina abilities. Plus a 15% cost reduction to Ultimates.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Bossdonut wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Quit whining, run a stamplar. Our passives are sh**

I have a stamplar and they're friggin amazing. 10% more crit damage AND +10% more damage done to blocking opponents. Then you have a 25% chance to do free damage every time you use biting jabs which is a single target, and AoE, a snare, and it buffs your crit chance by 20%. Should I mention the balanced warrior passive or how about the fact you get +30% stamina and health regen by activating Restoring Aura? Trust me, Stamplars are not hurting.

Are you on drugs?

Are you?

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

have you seen the templar passives?

Yes, and they're amazing. Thank you for asking.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Quit whining, run a stamplar. Our passives are sh**

I have a stamplar and they're friggin amazing. 10% more crit damage AND +10% more damage done to blocking opponents. Then you have a 25% chance to do free damage every time you use biting jabs which is a single target, and AoE, a snare, and it buffs your crit chance by 20%. Should I mention the balanced warrior passive or how about the fact you get +30% stamina and health regen by activating Restoring Aura? Trust me, Stamplars are not hurting.

and that ends all a stamplars passives though. the ultimate passives on dawn wraith might look nice but if you don't have a decent ult. well *** your life bloody templar

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

I feel like I need to clarify something. What I'm not saying is that Nightblades have bad passives, because they don't. No class does. Every class in this game has awesome passives.

What I am saying is that the Nightblade has passives that favor magicka over stamina, but none that favor stamina over magicka. Refreshing Shadows used to do this, but it was changed so that it favors both play styles.

So my question is this: why isn't ZOS addressing the passives that favor magicka builds? How come Refreshing Shadows was changed to suit all builds but nothing was done about Magicka Flood or Executioner?

And my goodness, people always have to make the issue about themself. This is a thread about Nightblades and everyone is like "But what about my class?!" I'm sure if I started a thread about buffing Nords some guy will jump in there screaming "But what about Argonians?!"

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Quit whining, run a stamplar. Our passives are sh**

I have a stamplar and they're friggin amazing. 10% more crit damage AND +10% more damage done to blocking opponents. Then you have a 25% chance to do free damage every time you use biting jabs which is a single target, and AoE, a snare, and it buffs your crit chance by 20%. Should I mention the balanced warrior passive or how about the fact you get +30% stamina and health regen by activating Restoring Aura? Trust me, Stamplars are not hurting.

and that ends all a stamplars passives though. the ultimate passives on dawn wraith might look nice but if you don't have a decent ult. well *** your life bloody templar

They're buffing the heck out of Crescent Sweep next DLC but I agree they need a physical damage morph for Radial Sweep.

laksikus · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Now how many of these passives are only beneficial to magicka builds? 2
Executioner and Magicka Flood

How many of these passives are only beneficial to stamina builds? 0
Not a single one

My suggestion to create balance?
Change the Executioner passive to mirror the Magicka Flood passive, and have it grant +8% Max Stamina when there's an Assassination ability slotted.

haha, lol
you never played a magblade, right?
you dont even have the executioner passive, cos its a waste of skillpoints.
its a joke. you dont kill enemies with those skills in pvp, and in PVE you kill bosses with impale, but who needs magicka back after he is dead?

and max magicka is usefull for stamblades too, you know cloaking and stuff

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

laksikus wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Now how many of these passives are only beneficial to magicka builds? 2
Executioner and Magicka Flood

How many of these passives are only beneficial to stamina builds? 0
Not a single one

My suggestion to create balance?
Change the Executioner passive to mirror the Magicka Flood passive, and have it grant +8% Max Stamina when there's an Assassination ability slotted.

haha, lol
you never played a magblade, right?
you dont even have the executioner passive, cos its a waste of skillpoints.
its a joke. you dont kill enemies with those skills in pvp, and in PVE you kill bosses with impale, but who needs magicka back after he is dead?

and max magicka is usefull for stamblades too, you know cloaking and stuff

Uh huh -_-

Are you sure I don't need the extra magicka for Refreshing Path? And btw Cloak is useless for Stamblades next DLC unless your a ganker with the bow. I personally don't even use cloak on my bar. Oh and my High Elf Magblade takes offense to your comment.

laksikus · February 2016

yeah, sure. then make it grim focus, or what ever you are using for magicka, i bet there is something.

and cloak will still be used by stamblades, you cant dodgre roll forever and throwing in a cloak helps alot (as you should know, and that wont change, especially with the 100% crit+ dot opression next patch)
cloak-snipe-cloak-snipe

and if you have a mag nb, when was that execution passive EVER usefull to you?

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina does not mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Not sure what's so bad about stamina sorc passives. Stamina regen was added and there is + weapon damage for having a sorc ability slotted.

Yeah they're pretty good 5% cost reduction to stamina and magicka abilities, +20% health and stamina regen, 15% cost reduction to Ultimates, and increased weapon damage per storm ability slotted? I would not be complaining.

Its not storm ability, its Sorc ability, unless something has very recently changed.