Nightblade passive imbalances

GreenSoup2HoT

@Strider_Roshin

Cloak will still be just as good. However next patch will weed out the weak for sure.

Strider_Roshin

laksikus wrote: »

yeah, sure. then make it grim focus, or what ever you are using for magicka, i bet there is something.

and cloak will still be used by stamblades, you cant dodgre roll forever and throwing in a cloak helps alot (as you should know, and that wont change, especially with the 100% crit+ dot opression next patch)
cloak-snipe-cloak-snipe

and if you have a mag nb, when was that execution passive EVER usefull to you?

It's not hugely useful, but it's still nice to have when 1vXing or if you're going PvE and it's not a boss fight. See, this is why I made the suggestion of changing the Executioner passive so that it mirrors Magicka Flood and grants stamina users +8% max stamina with an assassination ability slotted. Magicka users aren't going to miss that passive if it's changed.

Strider_Roshin

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina does not mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Not sure what's so bad about stamina sorc passives. Stamina regen was added and there is + weapon damage for having a sorc ability slotted.

Yeah they're pretty good 5% cost reduction to stamina and magicka abilities, +20% health and stamina regen, 15% cost reduction to Ultimates, and increased weapon damage per storm ability slotted? I would not be complaining.

Its not storm ability, its Sorc ability, unless something has very recently changed.

Nope, that was my bad. You're right.

Strider_Roshin

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin

Cloak will still be just as good. However next patch will weed out the weak for sure.

Nah, it's junk now. To be honest, I'm glad it's gone. Now people will have to find something else to complain about.

Solariken

Man you are crazy, ALL of the nightblade passives are helpful to stamina builds. Stamblades have the most useful magicka dumps of any class, so all of the magicka passives are good for you. All the nightblade passives are hella good too.

Tryxus

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Now people will have to find something else to complain about.

I complain about the lack of popcorn on this thread

GreenSoup2HoT

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin

Cloak will still be just as good. However next patch will weed out the weak for sure.

Nah, it's junk now. To be honest, I'm glad it's gone. Now people will have to find something else to complain about.

I guess that means your weak . If you think 100% crit is somthing to laugh about think again.

You'll see.

Strider_Roshin

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin

Cloak will still be just as good. However next patch will weed out the weak for sure.

Nah, it's junk now. To be honest, I'm glad it's gone. Now people will have to find something else to complain about.

I guess that means your weak. If you think 100% crit is somthing to laugh about think again.

You'll see.

Lol well if you say I'm weak then it must be true ;-)

Strider_Roshin

Tryxus wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Now people will have to find something else to complain about.

I complain about the lack of popcorn on this thread

Well what do you expect with MJ dead?

Strider_Roshin

Solariken wrote: »

Man you are crazy, ALL of the nightblade passives are helpful to stamina builds. Stamblades have the most useful magicka dumps of any class, so all of the magicka passives are good for you. All the nightblade passives are hella good too.

Yeah Executioner is strong, like Snakeblood strong.

Ilterendi

I would agree on a single point. Executioner. I would prefer that this be changed to grant the regen for the MAINSTAT of the player.

Example:
Stamina builds landing a killing blow with an Assassination ability would be granted Stamina Regen.
Magicka unchanged
Tank builds landing a killing blow have their health regen substantially increased. Or a slight increase and also providing a minor mending bonus.

The amounts granted between Stamina and Magicka should be identical.

Otherwise, I think NBs are a great model of great passive synergy throughout multiple builds. Dragonknights also come to mind, but I'm less familiar with them.


Sorcs need an overhaul, from the stamina standpoint.
Templars needs Jesus.

Bossdonut

I have determined that this is a troll thread.

Reevster

Stam Sorc really do need a few "stam" skills other then the stam weapons skills.... NBs are well balanced "atm" I have even heard players that run NBs say that they are actually embarrassed that NBs are so OPed.... that says a lot right there...

Tryxus

I'm OP...

...cuz I have this

FENGRUSH

That really cool stam sorc passive that gives you all that regen ... yea - I dont even use it, and it is really good. You cant just look at things from the outside and say theyre good. Theyre terrible.

NB passives setup are amazing, I get giddy leveling a NB up reading through that list.

Strider_Roshin

FENGRUSH wrote: »

That really cool stam sorc passive that gives you all that regen ... yea - I dont even use it, and it is really good. You cant just look at things from the outside and say theyre good. Theyre terrible.

NB passives setup are amazing, I get giddy leveling a NB up reading through that list.

Awesome passive, and you don't even use it; then that's on you. It doesn't diminish the value of the passive itself.

CP5

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

That really cool stam sorc passive that gives you all that regen ... yea - I dont even use it, and it is really good. You cant just look at things from the outside and say theyre good. Theyre terrible.

NB passives setup are amazing, I get giddy leveling a NB up reading through that list.

Awesome passive, and you don't even use it; then that's on you. It doesn't diminish the value of the passive itself.

So, you expect stam sorcs to all give up a skill slot per bar with what? Pets? I use the clannfear but its far from effective in most situations. Bound Armaments? Sure, let me just get effectively 1% damage reduction and make my build that much closer to a toggle mancer, how fun.

Strider_Roshin

CP5 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

That really cool stam sorc passive that gives you all that regen ... yea - I dont even use it, and it is really good. You cant just look at things from the outside and say theyre good. Theyre terrible.

NB passives setup are amazing, I get giddy leveling a NB up reading through that list.

Awesome passive, and you don't even use it; then that's on you. It doesn't diminish the value of the passive itself.

So, you expect stam sorcs to all give up a skill slot per bar with what? Pets? I use the clannfear but its far from effective in most situations. Bound Armaments? Sure, let me just get effectively 1% damage reduction and make my build that much closer to a toggle mancer, how fun.

I like how you left out the part about +5% more max stamina. Hmmm +20% health and stam regen, +5% max stamina and +1% damage mitigation? Oh yes, woe is you.

Alucardo

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina does not mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Not sure what's so bad about stamina sorc passives. Stamina regen was added and there is + weapon damage for having a sorc ability slotted.

To get stamina regen you have to have a daedric summoning ability slotted - at VR16 I simply don't have room for one because they are pretty useless to stam sorcs, so I forego the 20% stam regen. Nightblades get 15% regen for ALL stats just by putting points into the passive. Because most sorc abilities are crap for stam sorcs I have like 2 on my bar. Hardly worth glorifying the extra weapon damage over that.
Yes, stam sorc passives suck compared to Nightblades.

Strider_Roshin

Alucardo wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina does not mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Not sure what's so bad about stamina sorc passives. Stamina regen was added and there is + weapon damage for having a sorc ability slotted.

To get stamina regen you have to have a daedric summoning ability slotted - at VR16 I simply don't have room for one because they are pretty useless to stam sorcs, so I forego the 20% stam regen. Nightblades get 15% regen for ALL stats just by putting points into the passive. Because most sorc abilities are crap for stam sorcs I have like 2 on my bar. Hardly worth glorifying the extra weapon damage over that.
Yes, stam sorc passives suck compared to Nightblades.

Okay so by putting bound armaments on your bar you get +20% health and stam regen, +5% max stamin, +11% heavy attack damage, +2% weapon damage, and +1% damage mitigation. Don't have room for this move? Then you need to make room.

willymchilybily

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

10% crit damage useless?
10% more damage while cloaked?
20(pts) Ult on potion use? (12 on live)
15% regen to all sources?

Just because there are no passives that directly reflect stamina mean their are none that help stamina based characters out.

To be honest every single passive here has it's place for both magicka and stamina.

Nb's are the last class in need of class specific passive changes. If you wanna make a difference make a thread about stamina sorc passive's.

Did I say any of them were useless? No.
What I'm addressing is the fact that ZOS is constantly trying to balance stamina with magicka, although the only changes they ever make are the ones where stamina has an advantage, but they never touch the passives that are only useful to magicka builds.

How many of these passives are only beneficial to stamina builds? 0
Not a single one

Well you did say not a single passive was benefical....

No, I said how many passives are only beneficial to stamina builds. The majority of the passives are beneficial to both play styles; however there are two passives that are magicka focused; whereas not a single passive is only beneficial to stamina users.

@Strider_Roshin
I agree with what you say in principle. but you can't look at stamina/passives in isolation.

Firstly: A lot of stam NBs have to use magicka skills regularly for buffing.
Secondly. Active skills like relentless focus give 10% stam regen.

I think to be fair with siphoning attacks and relentless focus what other buffs do i need to stam regen and stam focus? im perfectly happy with everything just how it is for balancing the class beign able to run as a magicka or stamina build

Turelus

They benefit Magicka builds because when this game was made there were no magicka or stamina builds. There never used to be Stamina class skills or belief it would happen.

We as a community push the game into the one or the other style of gameplay and now we're angry that a system never designed for that doesn't support it. Honestly the only way we'll ever see things work and be "fair" will be a complete rebuild of the entire games systems.

leepalmer95

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Right now NB's have the best selection of passives, sorry you feel that powerful passives that apply to most/all builds aren't cutting it. I'll gladly point out how refreshing shadows is 50% stronger than the sorcerer passive capacitor (which only provides magicka regen), is as strong as a dk running 3 draconic power skills per bar, and still is 50% stronger than it was on release without the need to use shadow skills. Or how any syphoning skill being slotted gives 8% max magicka (with added healing done per skill) were as the oh so hated magicka sorcerer needs to slot a toggle per bar for the same effect. And that leaves nothing said about templars.

50% stronger with magicka regen, yes. However the sorc has 30% more stamina and health regen. Lets add it up:

Nightblade: 15% magicka + 15% stamina + 15% health = 45% total

Sorcerer: 10% magicka + 20% stamina + 20% health = 50% total

On top of this sorcs also get 5% cost reduction to magicka and stamina abilities. Plus a 15% cost reduction to Ultimates.

Or we could not count hp regen as it's useless.

It's quite clear nb's have better passives.

The crit dmg, crit chance, max hp, max mag, healing received, free armour boost, mass ult generation, wpn/spell dmg when cloaked, etc....

is > than a sorc.

It's common knowledge nb's have the best passives in the game.

Mojmir

I would actually like to see more stamina morphs that benefit health honestly

Wollust

Is this guy seriously stating that stam sorcs and templars have superior passives than stam NB?

/thread please

Dyride

/camp

ADarklore

They said they would be working on addressing STAMINA balance issues with DB DLC.