DW Gives More Spell Dam Then Staves, It Need Nerfing/FIxing, VOTE YES/NO

Sugram22 · February 2016

the thing that DW Gives More Spell Dam Then Staves Needs Nerf/fix, Staves suppose to give more spell dam then other wep!!! that's how Mages in mmo's are & have been sins the beginning of mmo's, its rule that can't be broken!!!!

SO I AM A BIG YES!!!!

My MC is Sorcerer

AnubisRe · February 2016

Nerf these, nerf that. So simply because of another nerf cry i vote NO!

Azarath_tiberius · February 2016

Sugram22 wrote: »

the thing that DW Gives More Spell Dam Then Staves Needs Nerf, Staves suppose to give more spell dam then other wep!!! that's how Mages in mmo's are & have been sins the beginning of mmo's, its rule that can't be broken!!!!

SO I AM A BIG YES!!!!

Dyride · February 2016

No.

Sugram22 · February 2016

AnubisRe wrote: »

Nerf these, nerf that. So simply because of another nerf cry i vote NO!

its not even nerf its more like fix, cause staves should give more spell dam, its mmo rule

Lariana · February 2016

Why nerf DW? Staves ought to be buffed.

Tryxus · February 2016

My character is a NightBLADE

I kinda like it that I can cast my Shadow spells and Dual Wield, tho I kinda prefer Daggers...

Nifty2g · February 2016

it feels weird to not use swords

I also like them

Jura23 · February 2016

I think it needs fixing, not nerfing. There is no reason why dw passive should buff spell dmg. I think it was an oversight from ZOS from the beginning.

Iyas · February 2016

No

Tyrion87 · February 2016

There is already a similar thread here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237673/should-magic-users-do-more-damage-with-staves-than-when-dual-wielding/p1
You can find there a poll and see what are the people's opinions/votes in this matter.

strikeback1247 · February 2016

You are a big yes? I want to know what that looks like.

On a more serious note, I kinda like the idea of being a dual wielding mage, even though it's not logical. The easiest fix would be to just change the swords passive to just add weapon damage instead of all damage.

Sugram22 · February 2016

Tyrion87 wrote: »

There is already a similar thread here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237673/should-magic-users-do-more-damage-with-staves-than-when-dual-wielding/p1
You can find there a poll and see what are the people's opinions/votes in this matter.

nice coming to vote there to

AnubisRe · February 2016

Sugram22 wrote: »

AnubisRe wrote: »

Nerf these, nerf that. So simply because of another nerf cry i vote NO!

its not even nerf its more like fix, cause staves should give more spell dam, its mmo rule

mmh let's quote you again...

Sugram22 wrote: »

the thing that DW Gives More Spell Dam Then Staves Needs Nerf (well its more like a fix), Staves suppose to give more spell dam then other wep!!! that's how Mages in mmo's are & have been sins the beginning of mmo's, its rule that can't be broken!!!!

SO I AM A BIG YES!!!!

And the thread title...

DW Gives More Spell Dam Then Staves, It Need Nerfing, VOTE YES/NO

So yes, you called for a nerf.

And what is maybe right in other mmos is not necessarily right for this mmo. Would you care to show me the rules for mmos where it is stated that staves always and under any circumstances need to do more spell dmg than dw?

Sugram22 · February 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

even though it's not logical.

& that's the issue that's why i don't like it, & why that isn't Logical? cause like i said its mmo rule & its a mage rule

DuckNoodles · February 2016

No, DW should NOT be nerfed.

Staves should just be buffed.

Itoq · February 2016

I would rather that other dw and 2h weapons also give similar and better bonuses over staves.

As a caster with melee weapons, one loses most weapon attack weaving dps, sustain from heavy staff attacks and easy ult gain. So, there is a trade off involved with melee weapons higher magic damage.

Trade offs, decisions with builds and encouraging different builds is a good thing.

Marrtha · February 2016

I don't care, I prefer the staff because of being at range.

Sugram22 · February 2016

well magic NB'S with other wep will be worried about it so they should get Passive to make them at lest same lvl with spell dam that any staff user would be, no matter what wep they use, that is when they fix or Nerf that DW high spell dam

LorDrek · February 2016

Nerf spell dmg on melee weapons, boost on staves 10%.

Molag_Crow · February 2016

No nerfs necessary. Buff staves' spell damage in general.

Alucardo · February 2016

No, it's fine as it is. By going DW you're losing out on the consistent DPS that the staff provides, but getting high burst in return. Seems pretty balanced imho.

revonine · February 2016

No! Rather Staff's need adjustments instead. Dual Wield is fine as it is for the spell damage buff as the skills and most of the passives are useless to a magicka user.

SlayerTheDragon · February 2016

Correct me if I am wrong, but without any modifiers (mundus or passives etc) your spell damage and weapon damage will be the exact same, and that will be the actual damage of your equipped weapon. This is probably the most common and basic mechanism in gaming..... not a bug.

DW (in ESO) will thus always give a high value because you are equipping two main-hand weapons.

Wollust · February 2016

I would like to have dual wield weapon attack damage scale of the higher stat, so that melee magicka builds wouldn't lose out so much on weaving. But other than that, it's compeletely fine as it is.

Chelos · February 2016

Yes / No ist too bipolar...

Turelus · February 2016

If the changes were made so that the additional damage only worked on dual-wield skills this would be fine.

There shouldn't be a weapon class in the game where you gain more benefits than others for simply holding the weapon. This was the same issue with Restoration Staves and their bonus damage (which was removed).

@Wrobel

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

How about, ready for mind blown, they buff staves instead!?

Turelus · February 2016

DonoVDV wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but without any modifiers (mundus or passives etc) your spell damage and weapon damage will be the exact same, and that will be the actual damage of your equipped weapon. This is probably the most common and basic mechanism in gaming..... not a bug.

DW (in ESO) will thus always give a high value because you are equipping two main-hand weapons.

Sadly though this leads to a meta where you never use your designated weapons of choice and only invest in one passive to boost base damage. Then spam no weapon skills at a higher power value than those who use weapon abilities from other lines on their bars.

olsborg · February 2016

Id rather they just buff staves a smidge, and while they are at it, bows.

mtwiggz · February 2016

Sugram22 wrote: »

the thing that DW Gives More Spell Dam Then Staves Needs Nerf/fix, Staves suppose to give more spell dam then other wep!!! that's how Mages in mmo's are & have been sins the beginning of mmo's, its rule that can't be broken!!!!

SO I AM A BIG YES!!!!

My MC is Sorcerer

The fact that DW gives more Spell Damage than staves is definitely not ideal, borderline moronic.

After seeing parse testing for DW vs. Staves; DW wins out on AoE encounters as Staves win out on single target encounters.

At this point there are clear advantages to using one or the other. DW doesn't provide enough added Spell Damage to rule out using a staff in every encounter.

End all be all is whether or not you can/want to light/medium weave. If you do not light/medium weave then DW is your go to in all scenarios (which will also be less DPS) but if you do light/medium weave then using a staff would be more beneficial, at least in single target encounters.

#NoMoarNerfs