The absurd argument of "Some sorc tanking 15 players" continues to amaze me. All you need is one decent stam build with at least 2.5k weap dmg, and that sorc ain't tanking **** without LOS.



I can hop on my Magic DK and tank far more then my sorc can, even in it's neutered state right now on live.


The only things sorcs are tanking right now are magic builds that think PvP is about sustain PvE DPS, or really bad and or poorly built stam builds. If you are a bursty magic build, learn how to time your burst instead of playing like a potato. You can easily break a 20k shield stack.

Yes, even a templar can do it. I played templar for the first time ever on PTS with only 2k spell dmg, and I had no issues killing all the derp sorc templates that think the class wields secret powers or whatever other nonsense that gets spoon fed to them. It's all about studying your opponents movements, and knowing when to execute your own burst.

Every time when I look in the mirror
All these crystal frags I throw getting clearer
The past is gone
It went by, like dusk to dawn
Isn't that the way
Everybody's got soul gems in life to pay

I know nobody knows
Where it comes and where it goes
I know it's everybody sin
You got to lose to know how to win

Half my life
Is lore books, written pages
Live and learn from Templars and the DK's and
From sages
You know it's true, oh
All these shield stacks come back to you

Sorc with me, Sorc for the years
Sorc for the slaughter, Sorc for the tears
Sorc with me, just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Akatosh will take you away

Yeah, Sorc with me, Sorc for the year
Sorc for the slaughter, Sorc for the tears
Sort with me, just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Akatosh will take you away

Troll on
Troll on
Troll on
Troll until your dreams come true
Troll on
Troll on
Troll on
Troll until your dreams come true
Troll on
Troll on
Troll on
Troll on
Troll on
troll on
Troll on

Sort with me, Sorc for the year
Sorc for the slaughter, Sorc for the tear
Sorc with me, just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away
Sorc with me, sing for the year
Sorc for the slaughter, sing for the tears
Sorc with me, just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Akatosh will take you away

Xeven wrote: »

Nerfs:
1) We cant double reflect anymore.

My nb can't double reflect either

2) Our speed buff was reduced 10% and we can't sprint to make up the difference, especially now that drinks don't work while sprinting.

Same goes for double take on a magicka nb or any other speedbuff

3) 25% damage vs shields CP star.

Noone will really use that star with the current caps since the other blue stars provide a bigger benefit against all enemies

4) Our entire dev round this patch was wasted on pets.
5) All of our toggles are still toggles.
6) Every other class has received relevant buffs/bug fixes, and we continue to see them with each PTS update. This makes us relatively weaker.

Hm, maybe I just have a bad memory, but I can't remember reading any great buffs for Templars of NBs in the patchnotes. Maybe the changes to puncturing sweep, but it will still be laughable against your harness magicka + hardened ward stacking

7) One of the 2 spells we have that counter dodge rollers, reflect, and shuffle was nerfed 15% for single targets. (Magicka Det)

Which 2 spells are you talking about? Mines, streak, curse, encase, mages wrath, boundless storm, ...

8) No relevant gear aside from the niche Vicious Death and Alchemist sets.

I don't see my Templar benefit more from the new gear than your sorc

"Buffs":
1) Meteor - Everyone got this.

Sorcs primary defense against them (shields) still works, while dk's and to some extend nbs got their main defense removed

2) A physical mitigation star - Everyone got this.
3) The option to buff just one bar with inner light rather than two - Everyone got this.

Yep and now everyone will slot it and prevent my main defense and my most used ultimate from working properly. Also which morph of inner light increases max stamina by 7% just for slotting it?

4) Combined elemental and magic damage star - Everyone got this.

Nearly exclusive sorc buff. Magicka nbs and Templars do next to no elemental damage, dks rarely magic damage and stamina builds still have to split between mighty and elemetal expert

Make no mistake, we didn't get anything but nerfs. This isn't a complaint thread. This thread is a reality check for everyone on the nerf sorc bandwagon.

Doesn't read that way, but if it's no complaint thread, then I'm sure you're happy about my additions to show you that the changes aren't as bad for you as you fear.

Everyone is quick to mention that sorcs benifit most from a combined magic damage star, yet no one will acknowledge that the stam damage star has always been this way. Magicka NB and Templar always had a single star to buff all their damage.

Since sorcs can benifit most from a change, can they not also be burdened most from a change?

Have a look at the speed change. Magicka DK and Templar who have no native magicka based buff are relatively faster. Magicka NB stacks it's own speed buff with cloak and concealed weapon. Stamina is blazing fast either way, they dont even care.

What about reflect? Who procs the frags? Who relies most on ranged dps?

Who is utterly and completely dependant on shields?

I am NOT complaining. I'm sick of the one sided disingenuous BS.

I don't want to be OP either believe me, but when I read all this hate with these patch notes, I look around at the reverberating monster stam DKs, the face rolling werewolves, and my 15k procced frag tooltip applying 4k actual damage in this high cp/spell/crit resist meta, and I start to get a little worried. I feel like were right on the edge.

It's not all hardened wards and roses for us either. I explode just like you do when focused by more than one good person in this high damage environment.

Xeven wrote: »

Everyone is quick to mention that sorcs benifit most from a combined magic damage star, yet no one will acknowledge that the stam damage star has always been this way.

Since sorcs can benifit most from a change, can they also not be burdened most from a change?

Have a look at the speed change. Magicka DK and Templar who have no native magicka based buff are relatively faster. Magicka NB stacks it's own speed buff with cloak and concealed weapon. Stamina is blazing fast either way, they dont even care.

What about reflect? Who procs the frags? Who relies most on ranged dps?

Who is utterly and complete dependant on shields?

I am NOT complaining. I'm sick of the one sided disingenuous BS.

I don't want to be OP either believe me, but when I read all this hate with these patch notes, I look around at the reverberating monster stam DKs, the face rolling werewolves, and my 15k procced frag tooltip applying 4k actual damage in this high cp/spell/crit resist meta, and I start to get a little worried. I feel like were right on the edge.

It's not all hardened wards and roses for us either. I explode just like you do when focused by more than one good person in this high damage environment.

I get a feeling that you are just trolling. There has never been a single star to buff all stamina damage, since all fighters guild skills and many class skills including almost all ultimates do magic or elemental damage.

Xeven wrote: »

Nerfs:

6) Every other class has received relevant buffs/bug fixes, and we continue to see them with each PTS update. This makes us relatively weaker.
nerf sorc bandwagon.

hi i'm a stam sorc and wat?

you'll be fine. just slam those shields and keep waiting for your combo

Huggalump wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Nerfs:

6) Every other class has received relevant buffs/bug fixes, and we continue to see them with each PTS update. This makes us relatively weaker.
nerf sorc bandwagon.

hi i'm a stam sorc and wat?

you'll be fine. just slam those shields and keep waiting for your combo

Im with you guys. This doesn't just apply to magsorc. Stam sorc was totally *** on by this patch.

Guess I have to ask this... How are you guys figuring pets got a buff this round? My calculations and dps meter doesn't lie. Using the same build on live and pts, My pet build goes from 14-16k dps down to 8k-11k dps. and my burst is completely gone since I cannot detonate anymore. Literally the pet damage is just simply gone for pvp... Vigor will out pace any damage out put.

Sorcs are in a good place from my duels on pts and ppl will see that but it will be a less forgiving class which was needed...I'm finding it easier to kill bad or inexperienced sorcs with the changes while the best playing the class are going to shine with TG. I am honestly really excited for next patch and feel there is more balance than this last one...I already have my gear made and everything

TBH I am for the single target nerf to det...sorcs benefited most from inevitable builds and doing the kind of burst it was providing was OP and unnecessary tbh even with healing being high, etc. I actually don't think it was nerfed enough but no big deal.

I like how you write "everyone got this" after every line in the 'buff' category, but not in the 'nerf' category even tho every (real) nerf you listed also affects everyone.

Sharee wrote: »

I like how you write "everyone got this" after every line in the 'buff' category, but not in the 'nerf' category even tho every (real) nerf you listed also affects everyone.

They're all real nerfs Sharee. Whether or not you choose to a acknowledge them is your own problem.

Funny post! Nice jokes overthere sir!

Overheard in guildchat:

"Stamina Dragonknight is broken. One killed me while on my Sorc".

Now being killeable and not absolutely dominant in every single aspect of the game (being tanky, mobile and dmg output) is a good reason to complain. Good one man.

^^

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I like how you write "everyone got this" after every line in the 'buff' category, but not in the 'nerf' category even tho every (real) nerf you listed also affects everyone.

They're all real nerfs Sharee. Whether or not you choose to a acknowledge them is your own problem.

Just so we understand each other, a nerf to a class is (in my book) an act that makes the class worse than it was before. Under this definition some of the 'nerfs' in your list are just "no positive changes"(like toggles are still toggles).
Maintaining status quo does not make your class worse, thus i do not consider it to be a nerf.

Alcast wrote: »

Nobody will ever put points into shielddmg CP as long as there is a CP cap.

This! QFT!