Update 10...what are we looking at here? 4-5 months? Why are things like this taking so long? I've been MMO'ing since mid 90's....mid 90's man! I've seen very few MMO's that take this long to fix things like this. Considering it's an issue that has been widely known for many months already. I admit, I don't get it.

PS: My post is largely irrelevant to the OP's discussion. Sorry, Saturday is my drinking day and I'm hungry, so yeah.

I don't see the issue. Wrobel already stated that if you look at Heavy Armor "without considering the passives" it's "the best armor." What more could we ask for?

rossvoss wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I don't see the issue. Wrobel already stated that if you look at Heavy Armor "without considering the passives" it's "the best armor." What more could we ask for?

Did he really say that ...

That's what he lead his reply on Heavy Armor with when he was answering the question. He then went on to say that there wouldn't be any changes until Update 10 because they "didn't want to put so many changes in Thieves Guild."

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Ultimate gain would be OP for DKs (saying this as a DK). Buff constitution or give stam regen when blocking for wearing 5 pieces.

We generate ultimate at a rate on average 3 ultimate per second after major heroism. Having that extra 5 ultimate every three seconds when being hit really isn't that OP, your looking at about 50% increase in ultimate generation roughly being able to use a ultimate 3 times for every dps/healer's 2. Dk's synergize with heavy armor is just natural so I see no issue here.

Though if your concerned with ultimate generating too quickly for dk's you may want to take a look at tava's favor craftable set arriving with thieve's guild, this set basically increases standard ultimate generation by 100%.

Edit: for punctuation and such

A heavy armor passive that re-enables stamina regen while blocking would be a good start at making heavy armor viable again.

Lets quickly compare what 1 of each armor set provides you in terms of passive bonus:
LA: 3% magicka cost reduction, 4% magicka recovery, 363 Spell Resist.
MA: 328 crit, 4% stam recovery, 3% cost reduction, 3% increase in move speed, 4% reduction in dodge roll.
HA: 362 Armor, 4% health recovery, 49 Stam and Magicka Return when hit every four seconds, 1% extra health, 1% increased healing.

Heavy armor sucks.

Resolve: Currently, this passive blows. It offers far too little to HA to be of any real use. What I suggest is to, in addition to the armor buff, add 2/3/4% block cost reduction for each piece of heavy armor. This is a small buff to the bracing passive that will essentially be incorporated into resolve allowing us to give bracing the love it sorely desires.

Constitution: The passive is on the right track, but is completely underwhelming and ultimately makes tanking far less fun than it should be. IMO this should be the single most attractive passive in HA. Increase the base value to 100 per HA piece and change the return from a 4 second cooldown proc to a 25% chance to proc (ICD of 1 second). This provides the tank with much needed resources when he needs them most - i.e. getting swarmed. Tanks have the skills to deal with swarms of mobs/players but don't have the passives to do it EFFICIENTLY. This helps to alleviate that issue. Increase Health Recovery modifier to 8% per piece. The tank will be less effective against solo bosses or against solo players, but more effective against the masses helping tanks to fall into their PVP role as desired by the devs intent.

Juggernaut: Another passive that's borderline useless and certainly doesn't live up to it's name. Double HP value and provide a flat damage reduction bonus of .5/1% per piece of HA equipped. This also assists in giving the HA user some means of passively dealing with penetration. The Heavy Armor user isn't using roll dodge or magicka for absorbing damage, they are using their armor - its needs to have the capability to absorb damage so it may efficiently use it's resources.
Bracing This passive needs to be completely reworked into something devastatingly tanky allowing the tank to properly fight back and/or re-engage an opponent. I propose that this passive adds additional time to break free immunity by 1/2 seconds (ala Alessian set), reduces all incoming damage by 10/20% for 5 seconds (ala Reactive) and provides Minor/Major brutality for 5 seconds WHEN BREAKING FREE (edit). What does this give a HA user? It gives them a meaningful and viable method of being on the offensive with what little resources he/she may have while also providing the damage reduction to absorb future instagib damage and continue fighting on.

Rapid Mending: Our final passive, and arguably the worst passive in the game. This passive *** blows big time. I propose that this passive works much akin to how the Pariah set bonus works but with HEALTH RECOVERY. Increase healthy recovery as your health decreases by 50/100% when wearing 5 heavy.


Stolen from /u/ChiefBigBlockPontiac on reddit. Very valid points though.

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Lets quickly compare what 1 of each armor set provides you in terms of passive bonus:
LA: 3% magicka cost reduction, 4% magicka recovery, 363 Spell Resist.
MA: 328 crit, 4% stam recovery, 3% cost reduction, 3% increase in move speed, 4% reduction in dodge roll.
HA: 362 Armor, 4% health recovery, 49 Stam and Magicka Return when hit every four seconds, 1% extra health, 1% increased healing.

Heavy armor sucks.

Resolve: Currently, this passive blows. It offers far too little to HA to be of any real use. What I suggest is to, in addition to the armor buff, add 2/3/4% block cost reduction for each piece of heavy armor. This is a small buff to the bracing passive that will essentially be incorporated into resolve allowing us to give bracing the love it sorely desires.

Constitution: The passive is on the right track, but is completely underwhelming and ultimately makes tanking far less fun than it should be. IMO this should be the single most attractive passive in HA. Increase the base value to 100 per HA piece and change the return from a 4 second cooldown proc to a 25% chance to proc (ICD of 1 second). This provides the tank with much needed resources when he needs them most - i.e. getting swarmed. Tanks have the skills to deal with swarms of mobs/players but don't have the passives to do it EFFICIENTLY. This helps to alleviate that issue. Increase Health Recovery modifier to 8% per piece. The tank will be less effective against solo bosses or against solo players, but more effective against the masses helping tanks to fall into their PVP role as desired by the devs intent.

Juggernaut: Another passive that's borderline useless and certainly doesn't live up to it's name. Double HP value and provide a flat damage reduction bonus of .5/1% per piece of HA equipped. This also assists in giving the HA user some means of passively dealing with penetration. The Heavy Armor user isn't using roll dodge or magicka for absorbing damage, they are using their armor - its needs to have the capability to absorb damage so it may efficiently use it's resources.
Bracing This passive needs to be completely reworked into something devastatingly tanky allowing the tank to properly fight back and/or re-engage an opponent. I propose that this passive adds additional time to break free immunity by 1/2 seconds (ala Alessian set), reduces all incoming damage by 10/20% for 5 seconds (ala Reactive) and provides Minor/Major brutality for 5 seconds WHEN BREAKING FREE (edit). What does this give a HA user? It gives them a meaningful and viable method of being on the offensive with what little resources he/she may have while also providing the damage reduction to absorb future instagib damage and continue fighting on.

Rapid Mending: Our final passive, and arguably the worst passive in the game. This passive *** blows big time. I propose that this passive works much akin to how the Pariah set bonus works but with HEALTH RECOVERY. Increase healthy recovery as your health decreases by 50/100% when wearing 5 heavy.


Stolen from /u/ChiefBigBlockPontiac on reddit. Very valid points though.

this, this is what HA needs, then from there tweak where necessary

I would like to see a buff to melee power attacks when wearing heavy armor. More weight to put into the attack = more damage. Plus a buff to the stamina return when landing the power attack as well. Both would help with heavy armor's lack of damage and resources. And since the buff only applies to power attacks, I think it would reward heavy armor players for properly weaving heavy attacks while tanking.

They need to look at tanking in SWTOR in PVP. Choose an ally put your guard on them, then if if you are close to them, 50% of their damage received comes to you and let heavy armour reduce that significantly. Voila heavy armour much more worth it and tanks have some real use in PVP.

Ha armor is certainly viable just not in ESO. But it used to be better.

Give it 6% melee weapon buff. That way its a nice halfway between light and medium and gives Tanks a chance to utilise some DPS when they have to (like vet WGT planar inhibitor)