Is there a way to be more racist in eso?

wskill · February 2016

First off, this isnt a joke or troll thread but a serious question as i have been forced in many quests to embrace some sort of 'multicultural' non-choice ending.
For example helping the bosmer initiates in a training camp on the aldmeri dominion, helping them wich is obviously a proper response to injustice,... ends up into the bosmer smirking about that now finally the bosmer will have more power positions..

hold on a minute.... thats not what i was doing it for..

I just wanted to help some people in need but im still an aldmer damnit, i might be a nice one but im not agreeing with bosmer power positions!!! stay in the woods bosmer!!

So thats what i mean, id like to be atleast somewhat racist for the sake of my characters origin, let me!

So again, are the quests ive been through so far representative of whats to come? Can i not be true to my high elf superiority over the really, really really small silly looking inferior bosmer?

thanks.

Danikat · February 2016

Some quests give you choices like that.

The only one I can remember off the top of my head is on Khenarthi's Roost where you have to choose between helping a khajiit family who were making skooma in a desperate attempt to make their plantation profitable hide that fact from the Thalmor, or help the Thalmor investigator catch them.

I don't remember the dialogue making any mention of your characters race and both sides will try to persuade you to help them, but if you were playing an altmer and sided with the Thalmor throughout it could definitely come across as a racial bias.

In other situations though you will have to help members of all races, including doing relatively selfless things for people your character might see as beneath them. In those cases I think you'll just have to find a way to interpret it that fits. In your example if you didn't realise until the end that the bosmer were going to turn your help into a power play you could see it as them deliberately lying to take advantage of you. Especially since the others races don't exactly consider bosmer to be the most honest people around.

wskill · February 2016

Danikat wrote: »

Some quests give you choices like that.

The only one I can remember off the top of my head is on Khenarthi's Roost where you have to choose between helping a khajiit family who were making skooma in a desperate attempt to make their plantation profitable hide that fact from the Thalmor, or help the Thalmor investigator catch them.

I don't remember the dialogue making any mention of your characters race and both sides will try to persuade you to help them, but if you were playing an altmer and sided with the Thalmor throughout it could definitely come across as a racial bias.

But its alot more unclear in the example i gave, i thought that just making the thalmor less abused would make them prouder to be thalmor, wich in a way it did but for the wrong reasons.. now all my thalmor instructors are acting like submissive political correct scared to be harshies.. that wasnt the intent, i still want them to make thalmor that serve the aldmeri dominion, not get bosmer councilmen in my aldmeri warmachine. ;l

Abeille · February 2016

Be a Dunmer. They are much worse than the Altmer in this game, and you can even help them keep their slaves in the EP!

Anyways, yes, you might be an Altmer, but you are also loyal to Ayrenn and her ideals, including her policy of tolerance. This is not the 4th Era's Aldmeri Dominion. There are not many openly racist Altmer under Ayrenn's rule, and most of the openly racist ones are enemies (the Veiled Heritance). Of course there are still racist Altmer, but it is hard to find a friendly Altmer npc that is openly racist (note: OPENLY racist, not just "racist". Of course there are many who just hide it to avoid trouble) because of Ayrenn's policy of tolerance.

Ayrenn even kneels before one of the bosmeri leaders, come on!

wskill · February 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Be a Dunmer. They are much worse than the Altmer in this game, and you can even help them keep their slaves in the EP!

Anyways, yes, you might be an Altmer, but you are also loyal to Ayrenn and her ideals, including her policy of tolerance. This is not the 4th Era's Aldmeri Dominion. There are not many openly racist Altmer under Ayrenn's rule, and most of the openly racist ones are enemies (the Veiled Heritance). Of course there are still racist Altmer, but it is hard to find a friendly Altmer npc that is openly racist (note: OPENLY racist, not just "racist". Of course there are many who just hide it to avoid trouble) because of Ayrenn's policy of tolerance.
Ayrenn even kneels before one of the bosmeri leaders, come on!

Funny thing is i was planning to be loyal to her brother, what did i know what would happen to him lol.
Im stuck at helping the rock mage, her donkey enemy bodyguard hits me a bit too hard and i had a dc earlier removing me from the bunch i was traveling with so had to try soloing him, so no kneeling seen yet but thats not too much of a spoiler since its obvious in a way that the bosmer king is arrogant enough to act that way, i dont like him. If i had any aldmeri mandate i would lay waste to that whole stupid tree.

Abeille · February 2016

wskill wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Be a Dunmer. They are much worse than the Altmer in this game, and you can even help them keep their slaves in the EP!

Anyways, yes, you might be an Altmer, but you are also loyal to Ayrenn and her ideals, including her policy of tolerance. This is not the 4th Era's Aldmeri Dominion. There are not many openly racist Altmer under Ayrenn's rule, and most of the openly racist ones are enemies (the Veiled Heritance). Of course there are still racist Altmer, but it is hard to find a friendly Altmer npc that is openly racist (note: OPENLY racist, not just "racist". Of course there are many who just hide it to avoid trouble) because of Ayrenn's policy of tolerance.
Ayrenn even kneels before one of the bosmeri leaders, come on!

Funny thing is i was planning to be loyal to her brother, what did i know what would happen to him lol.
Im stuck at helping the rock mage, her donkey enemy bodyguard hits me a bit too hard and i had a dc earlier removing me from the bunch i was traveling with so had to try soloing him, so no kneeling seen yet but thats not too much of a spoiler since its obvious in a way that the bosmer king is arrogant enough to act that way, i dont like him. If i had any aldmeri mandate i would lay waste to that whole stupid tree.

It is not the Camoran King, it is a much more pleasant person.

You see, the Bosmeri people have lots of leaders.

But yes, the game doesn't give you the option of being a "bad guy", which is why I can't understand why some people got upset that the next two DLCs are about thieving and murder, like if the whole base game plus released DLCs didn't force us into the "hero role" already (with only a few options to make "evil decisions").

Mr.Hmm · February 2016

Abeille wrote: »

wskill wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Be a Dunmer. They are much worse than the Altmer in this game, and you can even help them keep their slaves in the EP!

Anyways, yes, you might be an Altmer, but you are also loyal to Ayrenn and her ideals, including her policy of tolerance. This is not the 4th Era's Aldmeri Dominion. There are not many openly racist Altmer under Ayrenn's rule, and most of the openly racist ones are enemies (the Veiled Heritance). Of course there are still racist Altmer, but it is hard to find a friendly Altmer npc that is openly racist (note: OPENLY racist, not just "racist". Of course there are many who just hide it to avoid trouble) because of Ayrenn's policy of tolerance.
Ayrenn even kneels before one of the bosmeri leaders, come on!

Funny thing is i was planning to be loyal to her brother, what did i know what would happen to him lol.
Im stuck at helping the rock mage, her donkey enemy bodyguard hits me a bit too hard and i had a dc earlier removing me from the bunch i was traveling with so had to try soloing him, so no kneeling seen yet but thats not too much of a spoiler since its obvious in a way that the bosmer king is arrogant enough to act that way, i dont like him. If i had any aldmeri mandate i would lay waste to that whole stupid tree.

It is not the Camoran King, it is a much more pleasant person.

You see, the Bosmeri people have lots of leaders.

But yes, the game doesn't give you the option of being a "bad guy", which is why I can't understand why some people got upset that the next two DLCs are about thieving and murder, like if the whole base game plus released DLCs didn't force us into the "hero role" already (with only a few options to make "evil decisions").

Dark Brotherhood is going to be way too much fun..... If ZoS does not botches it......which may be ... 98% chance so hoping for that 2% chance to prevail.

Abeille · February 2016

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

wskill wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Be a Dunmer. They are much worse than the Altmer in this game, and you can even help them keep their slaves in the EP!

Anyways, yes, you might be an Altmer, but you are also loyal to Ayrenn and her ideals, including her policy of tolerance. This is not the 4th Era's Aldmeri Dominion. There are not many openly racist Altmer under Ayrenn's rule, and most of the openly racist ones are enemies (the Veiled Heritance). Of course there are still racist Altmer, but it is hard to find a friendly Altmer npc that is openly racist (note: OPENLY racist, not just "racist". Of course there are many who just hide it to avoid trouble) because of Ayrenn's policy of tolerance.
Ayrenn even kneels before one of the bosmeri leaders, come on!

Funny thing is i was planning to be loyal to her brother, what did i know what would happen to him lol.
Im stuck at helping the rock mage, her donkey enemy bodyguard hits me a bit too hard and i had a dc earlier removing me from the bunch i was traveling with so had to try soloing him, so no kneeling seen yet but thats not too much of a spoiler since its obvious in a way that the bosmer king is arrogant enough to act that way, i dont like him. If i had any aldmeri mandate i would lay waste to that whole stupid tree.

It is not the Camoran King, it is a much more pleasant person.

You see, the Bosmeri people have lots of leaders.

But yes, the game doesn't give you the option of being a "bad guy", which is why I can't understand why some people got upset that the next two DLCs are about thieving and murder, like if the whole base game plus released DLCs didn't force us into the "hero role" already (with only a few options to make "evil decisions").

Dark Brotherhood is going to be way too much fun..... If ZoS does not botches it......which may be ... 98% chance so hoping for that 2% chance to prevail.

Well, I liked the DLCs they released so far. I think they are doing a pretty good job with them. Besides, we have Rich Lambert as creative director, and he worked on Oblivion. The Oblivion's DB quest line is my favorite quest line of any TES game.

Most of my characters wouldn't go down the path of thievery or murder (and my Altmer is an Ayrenn loyalist), but I have a crazy vampire prepared for when the Dark Brotherhood hits. I don't know if I will have the heart to actually take the most violent decisions, even playing as that character, but either way I think it will be a great DLC.

wskill · February 2016

Abeille wrote: »

wskill wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Be a Dunmer. They are much worse than the Altmer in this game, and you can even help them keep their slaves in the EP!

Anyways, yes, you might be an Altmer, but you are also loyal to Ayrenn and her ideals, including her policy of tolerance. This is not the 4th Era's Aldmeri Dominion. There are not many openly racist Altmer under Ayrenn's rule, and most of the openly racist ones are enemies (the Veiled Heritance). Of course there are still racist Altmer, but it is hard to find a friendly Altmer npc that is openly racist (note: OPENLY racist, not just "racist". Of course there are many who just hide it to avoid trouble) because of Ayrenn's policy of tolerance.
Ayrenn even kneels before one of the bosmeri leaders, come on!

Funny thing is i was planning to be loyal to her brother, what did i know what would happen to him lol.
Im stuck at helping the rock mage, her donkey enemy bodyguard hits me a bit too hard and i had a dc earlier removing me from the bunch i was traveling with so had to try soloing him, so no kneeling seen yet but thats not too much of a spoiler since its obvious in a way that the bosmer king is arrogant enough to act that way, i dont like him. If i had any aldmeri mandate i would lay waste to that whole stupid tree.

It is not the Camoran King, it is a much more pleasant person.

You see, the Bosmeri people have lots of leaders.

But yes, the game doesn't give you the option of being a "bad guy", which is why I can't understand why some people got upset that the next two DLCs are about thieving and murder, like if the whole base game plus released DLCs didn't force us into the "hero role" already (with only a few options to make "evil decisions").

Woah, wouldnt say bad guy, just want to be true to my aldmeri race thats all, and bosmer can stay true to theirs, no mingling, no power positions. Aldmeri superiority and they can have their place in it np.

Thats not evil, thats just the aldmeri way, we are the chosen ones to lead the thalmor, and in the end shape the world!!

(the ways of my characters are individually decided though, my aldmeri is a royal mandated inspector, my breton/daggerfallian is just a vagabond who does good wherever he can and respects the high king's goodness equally.. my redguard (also daggerfall) is alot more intimidating who powerhouses through every problem.

Also just made an argonian(girl) templar but died with her cause i couldnt heal being out of mana early loool, ohwell. But i really hate starting over.. thing is i had a ebonpact char earlier but hate what he looks like (his legs are too thick and cant find a large axe, all axes are so small ;l hes a nord)

Abeille · February 2016

wskill wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

wskill wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Be a Dunmer. They are much worse than the Altmer in this game, and you can even help them keep their slaves in the EP!

Anyways, yes, you might be an Altmer, but you are also loyal to Ayrenn and her ideals, including her policy of tolerance. This is not the 4th Era's Aldmeri Dominion. There are not many openly racist Altmer under Ayrenn's rule, and most of the openly racist ones are enemies (the Veiled Heritance). Of course there are still racist Altmer, but it is hard to find a friendly Altmer npc that is openly racist (note: OPENLY racist, not just "racist". Of course there are many who just hide it to avoid trouble) because of Ayrenn's policy of tolerance.
Ayrenn even kneels before one of the bosmeri leaders, come on!

Funny thing is i was planning to be loyal to her brother, what did i know what would happen to him lol.
Im stuck at helping the rock mage, her donkey enemy bodyguard hits me a bit too hard and i had a dc earlier removing me from the bunch i was traveling with so had to try soloing him, so no kneeling seen yet but thats not too much of a spoiler since its obvious in a way that the bosmer king is arrogant enough to act that way, i dont like him. If i had any aldmeri mandate i would lay waste to that whole stupid tree.

It is not the Camoran King, it is a much more pleasant person.

You see, the Bosmeri people have lots of leaders.

But yes, the game doesn't give you the option of being a "bad guy", which is why I can't understand why some people got upset that the next two DLCs are about thieving and murder, like if the whole base game plus released DLCs didn't force us into the "hero role" already (with only a few options to make "evil decisions").

Woah, wouldnt say bad guy, just want to be true to my aldmeri race thats all, and bosmer can stay true to theirs, no mingling, no power positions. Aldmeri superiority and they can have their place in it np.

Thats not evil, thats just the aldmeri way, we are the chosen ones to lead the thalmor, and in the end shape the world!!

Ok, the Aldmer and the Altmer are not the same, for starters, as much as some Altmer like to think they are.

The Thalmor are the ruling body and the military of the Aldmeri Dominion, but right now they don't have nearly as much power as they will have in 1000 years (Skyrim time) because the Queen still holds the most power.

And even so, the Thalmor do not function in the same way as in Skyrim. Neither do the Altmer.

Teridaxus · February 2016

We must build a wall and let molag bal pay for it!

wskill · February 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Ok, the Aldmer and the Altmer are not the same, for starters, as much as some Altmer like to think they are.

The Thalmor are the ruling body and the military of the Aldmeri Dominion, but right now they don't have nearly as much power as they will have in 1000 years (Skyrim time) because the Queen still holds the most power.

And even so, the Thalmor do not function in the same way as in Skyrim. Neither do the Altmer.

I know thalmor are the military of the dominion and that not all altmer are aldmeri, but my altmer alligned with the aldmeri because in his opinion it has the highest potential for absolute rule and he only aids the most powerful untill they have exhausted themselves. In a way i suppose he could be considered a psychic vampire but definatly not an evil one. Hes moreof a magnet, or a benign leech who is of great aid to those who move into power positions. He doesnt really have ambitions other than making sure those without potential do not gain allure or power whatsoever. Perhaps my altmer aldmeri can be considered 'a leveler' (as he levels those with potential high, and those without low)

Ive met plenty of idiot altmer in the storyline, take for instance the dumbos working for the veiled queen, obviously a lost cause.. why do they even bother to follow such an entity heading straight for a wall.

wskill · February 2016

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

We must build a wall and let molag bal pay for it!

I say let mehrunes dagon pay for it. Also keep the bosmer behind the wall regardless of their alliegance, they are so useless.

Leon119 · February 2016

wskill wrote: »

First off, this isnt a joke or troll thread but a serious question as i have been forced in many quests to embrace some sort of 'multicultural' non-choice ending.
For example helping the bosmer initiates in a training camp on the aldmeri dominion, helping them wich is obviously a proper response to injustice,... ends up into the bosmer smirking about that now finally the bosmer will have more power positions..

hold on a minute.... thats not what i was doing it for..

I just wanted to help some people in need but im still an aldmer damnit, i might be a nice one but im not agreeing with bosmer power positions!!! stay in the woods bosmer!!

So thats what i mean, id like to be atleast somewhat racist for the sake of my characters origin, let me!

So again, are the quests ive been through so far representative of whats to come? Can i not be true to my high elf superiority over the really, really really small silly looking inferior bosmer?

thanks.

Sounds like you should join the veiled herritance not the dominion >.>

Abeille · February 2016

wskill wrote: »

I know thalmor are the military of the dominion and that not all altmer are aldmeri, but my altmer alligned with the aldmeri because in his opinion it has the highest potential for absolute rule and he only aids the most powerful untill they have exhausted themselves. In a way i suppose he could be considered a psychic vampire but definatly not an evil one. Hes moreof a magnet, or a benign leech who is of great aid to those who move into power positions. He doesnt really have ambitions other than making sure those without potential do not gain allure or power whatsoever. Perhaps my altmer aldmeri can be considered 'a leveler'.

Ive met plenty of idiot altmer in the storyline, take for instance the dumbos working for the veiled queen, obviously a lost cause.. why do they even bother to follow such an entity heading straight for a wall.

Aldmer are the common ancestor of the mer. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit (according to the most accepted theory) descend from them. That's why it is the Aldmeri Dominion, not the Altmeri Dominion. It includes the other mer who are part of it.

The Aldmeri Dominion is Ayrenn's creation. Being aligned to them means you should follow her policy of tolerance regarding Bosmer and Khajiit.

wskill · February 2016

Leon119 wrote: »

wskill wrote: »

First off, this isnt a joke or troll thread but a serious question as i have been forced in many quests to embrace some sort of 'multicultural' non-choice ending.
For example helping the bosmer initiates in a training camp on the aldmeri dominion, helping them wich is obviously a proper response to injustice,... ends up into the bosmer smirking about that now finally the bosmer will have more power positions..

hold on a minute.... thats not what i was doing it for..

I just wanted to help some people in need but im still an aldmer damnit, i might be a nice one but im not agreeing with bosmer power positions!!! stay in the woods bosmer!!

So thats what i mean, id like to be atleast somewhat racist for the sake of my characters origin, let me!

So again, are the quests ive been through so far representative of whats to come? Can i not be true to my high elf superiority over the really, really really small silly looking inferior bosmer?

thanks.

Sounds like you should join the veiled herritance not the dominion >.>

The veiled herritance is weak, sadly prince naemon was also ultimately weak.. or i wouldve stuck with him. (speaking as friend, my altmer aldmeri now btw)

If the aldmeri queen ever grows weak she will have to move aside aswell.

wskill · February 2016

Abeille wrote: »

wskill wrote: »

I know thalmor are the military of the dominion and that not all altmer are aldmeri, but my altmer alligned with the aldmeri because in his opinion it has the highest potential for absolute rule and he only aids the most powerful untill they have exhausted themselves. In a way i suppose he could be considered a psychic vampire but definatly not an evil one. Hes moreof a magnet, or a benign leech who is of great aid to those who move into power positions. He doesnt really have ambitions other than making sure those without potential do not gain allure or power whatsoever. Perhaps my altmer aldmeri can be considered 'a leveler'.

Ive met plenty of idiot altmer in the storyline, take for instance the dumbos working for the veiled queen, obviously a lost cause.. why do they even bother to follow such an entity heading straight for a wall.

Aldmer are the common ancestor of the mer. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit (according to the most accepted theory) descend from them. That's why it is the Aldmeri Dominion, not the Altmeri Dominion. It includes the other mer who are part of it.

The Aldmeri Dominion is Ayrenn's creation. Being aligned to them means you should follow her policy of tolerance regarding Bosmer and Khajiit.

Yes well tolerance is the right word, but it shouldnt become that bosmer half clowns and khajiit thieflings would ever gain threshold over the altmer side, the altmer are still in every way superior over the hobbitmer and housecatiit.
They can respectfully fight alongside us though, not a problem.

wskill · February 2016

I have a new dillemma right now, in redfur eh.. dump.. you know grathwood northwest part of the map.

So theres this thief thundercat guy who wants me to 'not report him to the thalmor'

Since im a aldmeri inspector (somewhat roleplaying, dw not hardcore) i WANT TO report this lion-0 emediately.
who does he even think he is conspiring to steal from under thalmor property in front of an official from the queen.. has he lost his mind? Why cant i switch off my -dont attack innocents- option and kill him without consequence.. if i do that ill be a villain.. get real man..

This is why we cant have nice things.

Pallmor · February 2016

#bosmerlivesmatter

NateAssassin · February 2016

Yes, but also allow me to make Altmer into servants for my Khajiit Sorc Overloadmasterspammer.

bedlom · February 2016

ESO is realistic in its own way.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

None of the choices in this game matter. You get the same exact outcome no matter what you "choose". It's just like every other Elder Scrolls game, never. What I like to do is skip through the dialog as fast as possible and make up my own motivations and pretend like it's the outcome I want.

yodased · February 2016

wskill wrote: »

Thats not evil, thats just the aldmeri way, we are the chosen ones to lead the thalmor, and in the end shape the world!!

Depending on how far a people is willing to go to secure this leadership and shaping of the world is what defines evil

This thinking is what lead to the demolishing of Orsinium in the first place as well as the destruction of Vivec.

Slippery slope to name yourselves 'the chosen'

wskill · February 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

None of the choices in this game matter. You get the same exact outcome no matter what you "choose". It's just like every other Elder Scrolls game, never. What I like to do is skip through the dialog as fast as possible and make up my own motivations and pretend like it's the outcome I want.

I cant do that i like most of the dialogue, i do hate how little choice you have, its rare to have a real choice between two different outcomes, its not even a matter of good/evil to me i just want to be true to the pact/dominion/daggerfallwhatsit im part of when im part of it.

The heck is up with walking around aiding criminals while youre on the other hand trying to prevent crime for the queen's sake.