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Summary of Wrobel's Comments on Templars from ESO live
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--The Breath of Life nerf was so that each class can fulfill each role. So it was a good thing to do to promote diversity, says Eric.
That is it. He said nothing about fixing Templar bugs, nothing about the Global Cool Down on Toppling Charge, nothing on the Templar lack of mobility or CC or the double nerf to Templar skills in PvP. Nothing on how Templars are supposed to fulfill the other roles when their skills are slow, weak, channeled, and bugged.
RIP Templars. We hardly knew ye.
Note: I just listened to the part before questions. Not sure if any of the questions answered anything else.
That is it. He said nothing about fixing Templar bugs, nothing about the Global Cool Down on Toppling Charge, nothing on the Templar lack of mobility or CC or the double nerf to Templar skills in PvP. Nothing on how Templars are supposed to fulfill the other roles when their skills are slow, weak, channeled, and bugged.
RIP Templars. We hardly knew ye.
Note: I just listened to the part before questions. Not sure if any of the questions answered anything else.
Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
VR 16 Templar (retired until Templars get fixed)
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Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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✭Edit: Someone asked him won't it suck if a Templar tries to heal and knocks people out of Rapid Maneuvers?
He's 'happy with it', because that means that people will use Honor the Dead, since it will only knock one person rather than two out of Rapid Maneuvers!
Awesome stuff!Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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✭✭So, let me see if I understand you right. Templar healing has been reduced to be on par with every other class, but escapability, DPS, burst and sustain have not been increased to to be on par with the other classes?Edited by Wreuntzylla on February 12, 2016 9:55PM23 -
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✭Oh, and he might decide to nerf the Templar's Sun Shield to make it have a cast time!
The hits just keep coming.Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »So, let me see if I understand you right. Templar healing has been reduced to be on par with every other class, but escapability, DPS, burst and sustain have not been increased to to be on par with the other classes?
Exactly.Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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✭✭✭✭david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »Oh, and he might decide to nerf the Templar's Sun Shield to make it have a cast time!
The hits just keep coming.
Lol there's no way that idea was mentioned.Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭✭david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »Edit: Someone asked him won't it suck if a Templar tries to heal and knocks people out of Rapid Maneuvers?
He's 'happy with it', because that means that people will use Honor the Dead, since it will only knock one person rather than two out of Rapid Maneuvers!
Awesome stuff!
Yeah, happy my question was asked to him, but I'm furious at his response, though that's not a big surprise. Even if his ludicrous idea of using honor the dead was remotely viable, you STILL can't guarantee that it won't end up healing another player that ends up being lower on health than you, and thereby both removes your rapids and keeps you at low health because your heal just went some where else. I legit feel like we're being trolled by him.2 -
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✭Sallington wrote: »david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »Oh, and he might decide to nerf the Templar's Sun Shield to make it have a cast time!
The hits just keep coming.
Lol there's no way that idea was mentioned.
Wrobel mentioned the idea of adding an AP cap. Anything is possible in the mind of ZOS.3 -
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✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »So, let me see if I understand you right. Templar healing has been reduced to be on par with every other class, but escapability, DPS, burst and sustain have not been increased to to be on par with the other classes?
Yup, that's exactly what they wanted. Thank you ZOS for continuing the #$@! on Templar's theme.6 -
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✭Gotta love the direction this game is heading...
One of the reasons i left LoTRO for ESO was this sort of thing - constant nerfing, changing things that didn't need changing, neglected skills and bugs etc...
What a damn shame...Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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Mr.Hmm✭✭✭✭Sigh.... it seems they hate templars while they love Sorcs/NB/DK.....
Or more accurately they hate Templars powerful supportive/healing skills.
They didnt even bother buffing the dmg on other skills to bring it on par with other classes, or bother to fix the bugs the Templar class has.
Long story short:
Zenimax Online Studios simply does not care about the Templar Class and they proved that over and over.If I die tomorrow I do not want to think of the game I could of played today, therefor I will play whatever I want today while securing a future to play in as well.
A true gamer will think of all the possible outcomes and execute the one that is the hardest to accomplish.2 -
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✭✭✭Q: Are templars going to get any mobility?
A: "No, it makes them unique. We nerfed major expedition so you guys are fine."
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✭✭✭✭✭I just want to know who the hell thought all of this was a good idea.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
Mr.Hmm✭✭✭✭I just want to know who the hell thought all of this was a good idea.
ZoS obviously.If I die tomorrow I do not want to think of the game I could of played today, therefor I will play whatever I want today while securing a future to play in as well.
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✭Sallington wrote: »david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »Oh, and he might decide to nerf the Templar's Sun Shield to make it have a cast time!
The hits just keep coming.
Lol there's no way that idea was mentioned.
It definitely was, in the context of damage shields. It seems Eric just doesn't like damage shields, because they interfere with spamming Wrecking Blow. Now that last part he didn't explicitly say, but he was asked a question about damage shields, and he specifically mentioned the idea of making them have timers so they are not that useful in combat; they would be more for out of combat casting.
He definitely said that. Listen to the broadcast.
Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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✭Every class *can* Heal. It doesn't mean you have to weaken the "Healing Class". WTF.Wake up, we're here. Why are you shaking? Are you ok? Wake up...6 -
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✭✭✭✭Q: Are templars going to get any mobility?
A: "No, it makes them unique. We nerfed major expedition so you guys are fine."
My jaw would have been on the floor if I hadn't dropped it already and kept it there from 10 minutes earlier in the stream.Edited by Zheg on February 12, 2016 10:16PM5 -
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✭He said we should go for well fitted to sprint....Some of my favorite screenshots
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✭✭✭✭✭Every class *can* Heal. It doesn't mean you have to weaken the "Healing Class". WTF.
Well, this entire community wants nerfs
Ergo, instead of buffing the other classes' healing abilities, they're gonna nerf the healer class"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭He said we should go for well fitted to sprint....
Well we have the worst class with most of the worst abilities, might as well build around the one of the worst traits as well.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion4 -
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I would still appreciate a class change @Wrobel, for the sake of all achievements and quests and time I invested in my main character. Buffing other classes' healing while Templars have next to nothing besides that is a slap in the face of every player who still thought the class is ok as we at least had the healing niche that made us unique.
Sorcs have mobility and awesome shields + the new BoL.
Nightblades have cloak, some nice abilities for sustain and leeching health and awesome passives.
Dragonknights have good defenses and now have proper shields and buffs for healing.
So what is unique about the Templar class? Are we the only class that has to stand there and can be bashed while casting/channeling?
#freeclasschangefortemplars- Templars: Slower by Design® -7 -
remilafo✭✭✭✭i so tired of your crying.. I have a templar and the overall (big picture people) is that templars got a healing BUFF in this patch. Remove your magnifying glass on the BoL nerf... wake up!2 -
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✭✭✭To be fair, that have buffed a decent number of Templar Skills in the next update.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
blackcom90✭✭✭there isn't a petition on change.org to get Wrobels nerfed out of zos? He want a game that suits it's nooby tastes not a game called eso. I play since the beta and this is the first time that i really think eso will fail in a year or so...2 -
Alorier✭✭✭✭Don't know why Zos just doesn't delete the Templar class it's clear to see that they really hate them with a passion really don't know if I can be bother with this game any more ! Players calling for this that and the other to be nerfed and Zos just ruining it because they have no idea what to do3
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✭Q: How about Toppling Charge? It is not 'completely fixed'... when will it be?
A: Our patch note wasn't specific enough. We fixed the issue of unresponsiveness when you weapon swapped (it would take a long time if you weapon swapped). Now it is more useful if you want to charge and swap. There are still some issues-- some weird terrain issues. But we'll inform users more to let them know when they can't charge. And there is also server lag so it can't draw path data for any abilities. So there's definitely more complicated issues... and they are complicated. We'd like to get them in but we're doing a lot of things.
Nothing about the Global Cool Down. He didn't even acknowledge it.Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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