NateAssassin wrote: »

I don't have the hip flaps, don't know what all of your guy's problem is but I don't have them.

But you got crotch and butt flaps when they aren't needed... the real problem here :P

See i think that robe would look so much nicer with it removed.

#nomoreflaps

Some armors they look great, I like the Roman legion influences on a lot of them but some of them look like those dorky fluff skirts people wear in public over their pants/shorts. Let's not even mention the horrible clipping either

Besides, those flaps protect vital parts. As annoying as it was the "groin armor" has a very important role.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Some armors they look great, I like the Roman legion influences on a lot of them but some of them look like those dorky fluff skirts people wear in public over their pants/shorts. Let's not even mention the horrible clipping either

Besides, those flaps protect vital parts. As annoying as it was the "groin armor" has a very important role.

Eso armor is decorative anyway, and would be useless in real combat. Or even not possible to put on, like metal altmer leggings.

Some of it would but remember knights fought in heavy armor in the medieval days and Romans did fight in a metal/leather combo of armor. Which is what a lot of armors draw influence from.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Some armors they look great, I like the Roman legion influences on a lot of them but some of them look like those dorky fluff skirts people wear in public over their pants/shorts. Let's not even mention the horrible clipping either

Besides, those flaps protect vital parts. As annoying as it was the "groin armor" has a very important role.

Eso armor is decorative anyway, and would be useless in real combat. Or even not possible to put on, like metal altmer leggings.

Some of it would but remember knights fought in heavy armor in the medieval days and Romans did fight in a metal/leather combo of armor. Which is what a lot of armors draw influence from.

But in eso armor and fighting styles are not even close to historical prototypes.

Just think how long the Romans would have ruled the world if they had cloak and wb

Bosmer light jerkin & medium. No flaps.
http://eso-fashion.com/bosmer-ancestor-silk/
http://eso-fashion.com/bosmer-rubedo-leather/

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

I absolutely agree. Those pseudo-tassets (come on, theyre not even attached to the armor in most cases) and loincloths look just ridiculous. Especially when they're made of solid steel lol.
@Zos, please give us an option to toggle them!

#nomoreflaps

^ This. ^

#nomoreflaps

NBrookus wrote: »

Bosmer light jerkin & medium. No flaps.
http://eso-fashion.com/bosmer-ancestor-silk/
http://eso-fashion.com/bosmer-rubedo-leather/

But they retain the even uglier floating retread tire tassets.

#nomoreflaps

#scraptheflaps

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Some armors they look great, I like the Roman legion influences on a lot of them but some of them look like those dorky fluff skirts people wear in public over their pants/shorts. Let's not even mention the horrible clipping either

Besides, those flaps protect vital parts. As annoying as it was the "groin armor" has a very important role.

Eso armor is decorative anyway, and would be useless in real combat. Or even not possible to put on, like metal altmer leggings.

Some of it would but remember knights fought in heavy armor in the medieval days and Romans did fight in a metal/leather combo of armor. Which is what a lot of armors draw influence from.

But in eso armor and fighting styles are not even close to historical prototypes.

Does not matter since the influences still come from what we know.

Which influences?
I'm not a historian, just an amateur, but I dont remember a culture that used to attach levitating pieces of cardboard to everything.

On this robe loincloth flap looks like a part of the outfit (which is rare for eso armor), but 2 side flaps are just floating around.
Speaking of "loincloth flaps", they'e way too heavy and oversized to be actual armor, they look more like burden for their wearer.
For example, here's a picture of armor suit with actual tassets. As you can see, they're not just randomly popping from the sides, they're a part of the cuirass. This is not the case for eso armors.

Its not hard to notice certain constructive differences
Also, huge chunk of armor between legs would make movement and horse riding much more complicated. Yeah, there are examples of historical amor with codpieces etc, but its nothing like these giant-sized solid iron loincloths.
Imo, for more "protective" looks Zos could just add chainmail parts, like on the photo I linked. As well as some neck protection for the most of fullplate designs and chestplates without so-called "boobplate" for female chars.

Contributing to this thread with this:



In my opinion the flaps totally ruin this chestpiece.

#nomoreflaps

Volkodav wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Some armors they look great, I like the Roman legion influences on a lot of them but some of them look like those dorky fluff skirts people wear in public over their pants/shorts. Let's not even mention the horrible clipping either

Besides, those flaps protect vital parts. As annoying as it was the "groin armor" has a very important role.

Eso armor is decorative anyway, and would be useless in real combat. Or even not possible to put on, like metal altmer leggings.

A long long time ago,people wore just clothing for their armor.Leather,including those front and rear flaps for protection.They didnt use Medieval metal armor way back then.It was normally the Military in Medieval times who got that type of armor.
Most couldnt afford more than the clothes they wore,or fur and leather.
Also,some of ESO's armor is based on real armor,especially the Imperial armor.And it WAS usefull.

Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying, but no offense: you dont really know what you're talking about. Armor styles from eso are mostly really useless, and in some cases could cause horrible and painful death.
Its not like you could just put on random metal stuff irl and be protected. Armor should offer protection, but in real life being able to move is also kinda important
All these decorations and flaps in eso would be useless burden in real life. All those giant shoulder pads, spikes and everything. If you ever saw real armor, you might notice that its much more sleek and shoulder/neck part looks much more different. Even on fancy jousting/ceremonial examples (and keep in mind that average warrior's equipment was much more simplistic than some king's ceremonial outfit).
Hip parts on full plate armor were constructed in compelely different manner as well. Because you know, knights rode horses and can you imagine riding horse with solid metal loicloth, like on eso xivkyn armor? Yeah, there are kinda simular tassets designs, but keyword is "kinda". In real life those parts were much smaller and also compound... Eso heavy armors usually have solid chunks of metal which is in no way realistic or protective.
Not to mention that combat in this game is ridiculous from historical standpoint. Since we're talking about protection, try to equip sword and shield on your eso char and try to do some normal attacks. The way our character mindlessly swings his/hear shield (leaving their torso and head exposed) kinda defeats the point of using a shield at all. And I wont even get started on 2 handed animations... If eso char could meet a real medieval swordmaster, the only way to kill that swordmaster would be making him laught himself to his death.

P.S. Also when people used to wear armor, no one in their right mind would put on a cuirass without some clothes underneath it. So eso's skin tight heavy cuirasses are really weird.

Comparing ESO armor to real armor for accuracy is like comparing Dragons to Dinosaurs.

The only actual viable reason for being against the flaps is you don't like them, which is a perfectly legitimate reason to want to see them removed.

Mostly. I think they should be attached to the belt.

#TassetsOnBelts

Volkodav wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Some armors they look great, I like the Roman legion influences on a lot of them but some of them look like those dorky fluff skirts people wear in public over their pants/shorts. Let's not even mention the horrible clipping either

Besides, those flaps protect vital parts. As annoying as it was the "groin armor" has a very important role.

Eso armor is decorative anyway, and would be useless in real combat. Or even not possible to put on, like metal altmer leggings.

A long long time ago,people wore just clothing for their armor.Leather,including those front and rear flaps for protection.They didnt use Medieval metal armor way back then.It was normally the Military in Medieval times who got that type of armor.
Most couldnt afford more than the clothes they wore,or fur and leather.
Also,some of ESO's armor is based on real armor,especially the Imperial armor.And it WAS usefull.

Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying, but no offense: you dont really know what you're talking about. Armor styles from eso are mostly really useless, and in some cases could cause horrible and painful death.
Its not like you could just put on random metal stuff irl and be protected. Armor should offer protection, but in real life being able to move is also kinda important
All these decorations and flaps in eso would be useless burden in real life. All those giant shoulder pads, spikes and everything. If you ever saw real armor, you might notice that its much more sleek and shoulder/neck part looks much more different. Even on fancy jousting/ceremonial examples (and keep in mind that average warrior's equipment was much more simplistic than some king's ceremonial outfit).
Hip parts on full plate armor were constructed in compelely different manner as well. Because you know, knights rode horses and can you imagine riding horse with solid metal loicloth, like on eso xivkyn armor? Yeah, there are kinda simular tassets designs, but keyword is "kinda". In real life those parts were much smaller and also compound... Eso heavy armors usually have solid chunks of metal which is in no way realistic or protective.
Not to mention that combat in this game is ridiculous from historical standpoint. Since we're talking about protection, try to equip sword and shield on your eso char and try to do some normal attacks. The way our character mindlessly swings his/hear shield (leaving their torso and head exposed) kinda defeats the point of using a shield at all. And I wont even get started on 2 handed animations... If eso char could meet a real medieval swordmaster, the only way to kill that swordmaster would be making him laught himself to his death.

P.S. Also when people used to wear armor, no one in their right mind would put on a cuirass without some clothes underneath it. So eso's skin tight heavy cuirasses are really weird.

I dont know what I am talking about? Jeez. Can you reread what I said please.I stated that those METAL flaps werent used.However,the LEATHER ones were. Just as you commented in your need to be precise.
And the Imperial armor IS based on real armor.BASED,not exactly.I never said either that ESO armor was useful in real life.THAT would be one silly remark.

I said eso armor is purely decorative, because, well, it is. Just like "knight" costumes for Halloween. Also, comparing real armor pieces to eso's random metal chunks doesnt make any sense imo. Tbh, I dont think eso art team used any historical references at all.
As for Imperial armor... Its not even based, in fact. Heavy helmet looks somewhat like ancient Corinthian helm (not Roman), and the only thing in imperial style that is loosely "Roman" is 1-handed sword. So, "some of ESO's armor is based on real armor,especially the Imperial armor.And it WAS usefull" statement is inaccurate.

I would prefer a toggle for shoulder armor.

#saynotoflaps

Gidorick wrote: »

Comparing ESO armor to real armor for accuracy is like comparing Dragons to Dinosaurs.

The only actual viable reason for being against the flaps is you don't like them, which is a perfectly legitimate reason to want to see them removed.

Mostly. I think they should be attached to the belt.

#TassetsOnBelts

But when its neither historically accurate nor aesthetically pleasing not much reason for keeping it.
All for making it optional or having more motifs with different styles since choice is nearly always good but the floating bits need to be redone or removed.