Adult women biggest demographic in gaming

Nestor · February 2016

We are all gamers. Does not matter how our Chromosomes are configured, or if we are an Inny or an Outy. We are all here to enjoy the game for our own reasons. Gender has nothing to do with this.

Resipsa131 · February 2016

@Spottswoode
When you team up with Lyris and free Abner Tharn she starts in on him first, she simply can't handle the banter Abner Tharn brings to the table.

Lyris:"You must be the ugliest princess I've ever rescued from a tower, Tharn."

Tharn:"I'm shocked that your lack of education and repeated blows to the head haven't dulled your wit, Titanborn."

Glaiceana · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to disabuse the notion that eve is a total sausage fest.....I am a woman and played eve for more then six years grew bored and moved on...further I have known several female gamers that did play that game. It may have more male to female ratio but it is by no means a male only scene. Wonders bout the supposed technical aspect of that game? Just know it wasn't because it was..."difficult" that I stopped playing. Ponders if the suggestion was that women just do not understand games like eve like they are some how mentally incapable or something...... Decides it is not worth the effort to argue or explain things to that sort ...is getting old and life is far to short....

I also played EvE for a few months. There were many things I liked about it. Especially its utterly gorgeous character creation system that I have yet to see be rivaled. Sadly, when I was playing, you couldn't really do anything with them after you made them. So for all intents and purposes, you're a ship in EvE. And I just couldn't get into that despite how many cool things the game had going for it.

I'd love to play Eve. The idea of being able to just fly a ship wherever I want and explore a massive universe really appeals to me. But I got put off by a few first impressions after watching tutorials etc. Basically I think the learning curve might be a little too crazy for me, and the fact that you can just lose everything, that would be discouraging for me when I want to be a peaceful player, and then there's the price too.

Anyway. The point is, women are in every game. I doubt there is any game where not a single female plays or has played it. This really shouldn't be surprising to people.

Faulgor · February 2016

Nestor wrote: »

We are all gamers. Does not matter how our Chromosomes are configured, or if we are an Inny or an Outy. We are all here to enjoy the game for our own reasons. Gender has nothing to do with this.

What are you talking about?
Since when do we accept Outys?

>:[

Lysette · February 2016

Glaiceana wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to disabuse the notion that eve is a total sausage fest.....I am a woman and played eve for more then six years grew bored and moved on...further I have known several female gamers that did play that game. It may have more male to female ratio but it is by no means a male only scene. Wonders bout the supposed technical aspect of that game? Just know it wasn't because it was..."difficult" that I stopped playing. Ponders if the suggestion was that women just do not understand games like eve like they are some how mentally incapable or something...... Decides it is not worth the effort to argue or explain things to that sort ...is getting old and life is far to short....

I also played EvE for a few months. There were many things I liked about it. Especially its utterly gorgeous character creation system that I have yet to see be rivaled. Sadly, when I was playing, you couldn't really do anything with them after you made them. So for all intents and purposes, you're a ship in EvE. And I just couldn't get into that despite how many cool things the game had going for it.

I'd love to play Eve. The idea of being able to just fly a ship wherever I want and explore a massive universe really appeals to me. But I got put off by a few first impressions after watching tutorials etc. Basically I think the learning curve might be a little too crazy for me, and the fact that you can just lose everything, that would be discouraging for me when I want to be a peaceful player, and then there's the price too.

Anyway. The point is, women are in every game. I doubt there is any game where not a single female plays or has played it. This really shouldn't be surprising to people.

Well, I am sorry that you gave up on EVE so easily. You can be peaceful in EVE as well, like doing industry and trade. Of course it is PvP everywhere, so you have to take care and never fly something what you cannot afford to loose. Basically when you buy an expensive ship, you should just do it, if you could afford 3 of them.

I am playing it since 2008 and I lost just 2 ships - one in a gank, when I was pretty new (what taught me to take care), the other was pure laziness. I just did not recall my drones and fought the last enemy, not considering, that without my drones I will not have the firepower to fight it successfully. And this with the drone bay full of drones. I could have just abandoned those far away, launch new ones and all would have been good. So both were unnecessary losses.

Danikat · February 2016

It always surprises me when things like this are treated like a big deal.

I'm female, nearly 31 and I've been a gamer since I was 2....3 if you don't consider button mashing to be gaming and playing RPGs since I was about 7. More importantly many of my female friends are also gamers. Sure some are more into Candy Crush or The Sims but others are into RPGs, Myst, Call of Duty...

To me it's always been accepted fact that women play games. Even my mum does, although she doesn't like anything violent or gross.

I realise my sample size is tiny and skewed by the kind of people someone like me would be friends with, but it's hard not to be influenced by personal experience like that so it seems strange to me that other people consider women who play games (real games too) to be unusual.

Lysette · February 2016

Danikat wrote: »

It always surprises me when things like this are treated like a big deal.

I'm female, nearly 31 and I've been a gamer since I was 2....3 if you don't consider button mashing to be gaming and playing RPGs since I was about 7. More importantly many of my female friends are also gamers. Sure some are more into Candy Crush or The Sims but others are into RPGs, Myst, Call of Duty...

To me it's always been accepted fact that women play games. Even my mum does, although she doesn't like anything violent or gross.

I realise my sample size is tiny and skewed by the kind of people someone like me would be friends with, but it's hard not to be influenced by personal experience like that so it seems strange to me that other people consider women who play games (real games too) to be unusual.

I think that is left over from the 80s and maybe early 90s, when gaming computers were still expensive and basically just IT guys had them. At that time IT was still a male domain, but this has changed. Second half of the 90s gaming became more popular due to internet and a lot more women had access to computers than ever before. My generation (I am 28) grew up with computers, we don't know a world without them and it is for us a normal tool we are using on a daily basis. So to me it is not a surprise at all, that women are everywhere in technology nowadays, we simply grew up with it.

Glaiceana · February 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Well, I am sorry that you gave up on EVE so easily. You can be peaceful in EVE as well, like doing industry and trade. Of course it is PvP everywhere, so you have to take care and never fly something what you cannot afford to loose. Basically when you buy an expensive ship, you should just do it, if you could afford 3 of them.

I am playing it since 2008 and I lost just 2 ships - one in a gank, when I was pretty new (what taught me to take care), the other was pure laziness. I just did not recall my drones and fought the last enemy, not considering, that without my drones I will not have the firepower to fight it successfully. And this with the drone bay full of drones. I could have just abandoned those far away, launch new ones and all would have been good. So both were unnecessary losses.

Well that is actually quite reassuring to hear. Although there's another thing that I forgot to mention that holds me back, and that's the fact that I know it could be a game that could take over my life

If it really gets me as much as I think it would, if I got the hang of it, I'd be playing it non stop.

Lysette wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

It always surprises me when things like this are treated like a big deal.

I'm female, nearly 31 and I've been a gamer since I was 2....3 if you don't consider button mashing to be gaming and playing RPGs since I was about 7. More importantly many of my female friends are also gamers. Sure some are more into Candy Crush or The Sims but others are into RPGs, Myst, Call of Duty...

To me it's always been accepted fact that women play games. Even my mum does, although she doesn't like anything violent or gross.

I realise my sample size is tiny and skewed by the kind of people someone like me would be friends with, but it's hard not to be influenced by personal experience like that so it seems strange to me that other people consider women who play games (real games too) to be unusual.

I think that is left over from the 80s and maybe early 90s, when gaming computers were still expensive and basically just IT guys had them. At that time IT was still a male domain, but this has changed. Second half of the 90s gaming became more popular due to internet and a lot more women had access to computers than ever before. My generation (I am 28) grew up with computers, we don't know a world without them and it is for us a normal tool we are using on a daily basis. So to me it is not a surprise at all, that women are everywhere in technology nowadays, we simply grew up with it.

@Danikat and @Lysette I'm in the same boat as both of you pretty much. Grew up with games. It wasn't until many years later that I started to realise that people apparently found it odd that girls played games, and the only way I found out about this view was through the internet, which stands for something. I started playing games on the Playstation, probably when I was around 7, I remember at school that pretty much everyone had one and everyone had a favourite game. I'm 24 now, and I still see people's disbelief of women in gaming. I think though that it must be getting better by now. I'm certain the number of people saying "gamer girls don't exist, also girls don't exist on the internet" is falling.

We are just people playing games, we enjoy games, everyone is allowed to enjoy them, its as simple as that.

mlstevens42_ESO · February 2016

Dad was a computer programmer ...we had a computer in the house when I was a teen (graduated in 1983 so I am not a spring chick). Dad never told his girls or his boy they couldn't be anything they wanted to be. Using our brains was encouraged. What most of you younger folks do not realize is the struggle it has been at times to be seen as an equal when looking for jobs as a woman...or really any of the minority types. Much of the inequity though not all has been hammered down.

Gamers have been seen as a subculture and not a particularly good one in the past. Females were considered to be less then the males of said type. It has become more acceptable as those that came after like my son (he is 28... sorry gals he is already taken), have grown up with their personal computers cellphones ipads gaming consoles and the like. It is not surprising then that girls and ladies would join the new craze.

Lysette · February 2016

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

Dad was a computer programmer ...we had a computer in the house when I was a teen (graduated in 1983 so I am not a spring chick). Dad never told his girls or his boy they couldn't be anything they wanted to be. Using our brains was encouraged. What most of you younger folks do not realize is the struggle it has been at times to be seen as an equal when looking for jobs as a woman...or really any of the minority types. Much of the inequity though not all has been hammered down.

Gamers have been seen as a subculture and not a particularly good one in the past. Females were considered to be less then the males of said type. It has become more acceptable as those that came after like my son (he is 28... sorry gals he is already taken), have grown up with their personal computers cellphones ipads gaming consoles and the like. It is not surprising then that girls and ladies would join the new craze.

Yes, that is what my dad told me as well "You can become anything you want, all it takes is to set your mind to it and do your best to achieve it" - and that is all I needed to know and this was encouraged, even when I chose to put my mind to highly technical and molecular cutting edge stuff - biochemistry and bioinformatics. About 40% of the students in this area were female. Times are over when women were restricted to dull stuff, we are everywhere now - and this is no different in gaming.

Acsvf · February 2016

danno8 wrote: »

Although, in the end who really cares who is playing what, except for advertisers?

^

IrishGirlGamer · February 2016

Wily_Wizard wrote: »

Here's an updated gaming demographic from 2015. You will need a PDF viewer to see it.
There's a lot of interesting info in this report.

http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

Here's a good article from a prominent gamer.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-05/bendixsen-girls-have-always-been-game/7142890
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And here is an objective one that came out earlier this year from one of the United State's most respected research centers:

http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/01/05/who-plays-video-games-in-america/

tinythinker wrote: »

http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-women-largest-gaming-demographic

Not surprising. Many women wanted to be nerdy and geeky growing up but faced hostility, mockery, and pressure to conform to what was deemed "girly stuff", not science, sci-fi, epic sword and sorcery type fantasy, etc. So comic books, action figures, video games, etc were geared to boys. Now those girls have grown up, pop culture has embraced geekiness, and these women don't give a #$%^ about stereotypes that get in the way of their fun and friendships.

There are clearly many adults on ESO, and quite a larger number of them women. I think some games are a better fit for a wider audience, and ESO has a lot of potential to be that kind of game. OK, back to playing. Anyone want to run the daily Undaunted? Type X in guild...

So here we are. You posting an article that's a year and half old referring to a statistic that's two years old. Okay. And then there's me, wondering why you're doing this? I mean, a simple Google search would have delivered a more relevant result. Why this outdated study, posted like this on this forum?

You don't have enough awesomes? You want some attention?

I'm trying to convince myself that you mean well but I'm failing miserably. Maybe it's the slightly condescending tone to your post and how much I detest the phrase "girly stuff," as well as your suggestion that someone of the female gender cannot get control of her life until she's an adult.

Or maybe it's how you use the word "science" in reference to women? What? I won my middle school science fair, thank you very much. And my Dad was very proud, even took pictures.

So, yeah, I'm wondering what you're up to here? Are you asking me to recognize your awesome open-mindedness? Because right now I'm thinking what you don't know about women could fill a vacuum.

I'm an adult woman. I have a masters' degree and I'm working on my Ph.D. I'm a research assistant working at the United States' largest research institute and museum. I speak three languages (okay, two fluently and one passably). I've worked at research museums in Saint Petersburg, Russia, London, England, and Ontario, Canada. A few years ago it was my privilege to help prepare and work the Smithsonian American Art Museum's 2012 exhibit "The Art of Video Games."

And yes I play video games. ESO. TES. Bordlerlands. Bioshock. Civ V. And many more. And I really play them. On a computer. That I built, all by myself.

But here's the thing: I'm not alone. There's a lot of people like me out there (see what I did there?). And when you single out women, based on our gender, and applaud us for making a choice that took no effort at all you (1) call even more attention to the fact that that we're woman and gamers like that, in itself, is an accomplishment and (2) invite yet another discussion of an issue that is complete and totally resolved:

Women play games. Everyone know this.

So if you wanted my attention, you got it. Hope you liked it.

And by the way: my goal is not to be nerdy and geeky. The word you're looking for there is "professional."

NBrookus · February 2016

Lysette wrote: »

I think that is left over from the 80s and maybe early 90s, when gaming computers were still expensive and basically just IT guys had them. At that time IT was still a male domain, but this has changed. Second half of the 90s gaming became more popular due to internet and a lot more women had access to computers than ever before. My generation (I am 28) grew up with computers, we don't know a world without them and it is for us a normal tool we are using on a daily basis. So to me it is not a surprise at all, that women are everywhere in technology nowadays, we simply grew up with it.

I don't think the generation gap is as much of an issue as you think on the technology side. My school had mandatory computer programming education in 5th grade math class... in 1982. I had to fight tooth and nail to take shop class, though, and any guy who wanted to take Home Ec was clearly some sort of sexual deviant. I had a computer at home; my brother didn't. Computers weren't genderized yet.

Once I got in college, lots of women used computers. Early internet services like AOL, Delphi and Compuserve had a lot of female users. When I was selling computers in the early 90's, there were as many women customers as men.

Women largely just didn't gravitate to using computers for games then. The preponderance of young men in gaming led to a locker-room style atmosphere being the norm, which then turned off many women who were interested. Suddenly gaming - and to a lesser extent computers - became genderized. It is taking a while to dig out of that hole, but we're getting there. May be nearly there, in fact, because the hole isn't that deep to begin with.

I think young ladies today might be facing more scrutiny and criticism about "geeky" choices than I did. In 20 years as a computer programmer (retired), I personally encountered sexist policies, office politics, sexual harassment, jerks and outdated gender stereotypes, but never once did they really have anything to do with IT.

(I do agree there is a mental difference regarding computers. I still think best on paper.)

Path · February 2016

Older female gamer here. I play PC games. No phone stuff and although I have tried to play console games, I miss my programmable mouse and keyboard. So...I stick to the PC.

ESO has impressed me with it's gender neutrality. Not perfect but good.

I will not play a game where every female character stands with spread legs, pelvic thrust forward and breasts limited to minimum DD cup. Hence, I have not played many popular games.

As for a history of gaming. I started with pong. Woah...long time ago. When my kids were young, we played together. Myst. SIMS. Black and White. Good times for all of us and I believe valuable analytical skills were learned.

I was severely criticized for being a gaming Mom on national TV but I came out on top. Very much so, as in they gave me 50k.

As of today, my Son plays via PS4 and has recently discovered he is very good at PvP. My Daughter lost all interest in gaming. Hubby puts up with my games. He understands why I adore gaming and accepts my game friends.

Last part. My game friends. They are real. Honest. I have played with my guild, Sunder, for over 10 years. I am the only female to survive. They trust me. I am a real person. We talk via TeamSpeak and phone. They have helped me during my toughest times and I will always be thankful for my guild and the games that brought us together.

Soafee · February 2016

Hah.

I'm 33, I was born in 1982. I've been gaming since the Commador 64. I was a "girl"gamer before it was cool.

Also played:

Quake 1/2, Half-life, Everquest, Ashran's Call, and still playing World of Warcraft.. Also play this, of course.

Gidorick · February 2016

Boy, this sure is a lot of discussion for an article of misinformation... Are we THIS bored with ESO that we are resorting to talking about old articles that have nothing to do with ESO?

Duiwel · February 2016

OP farmville, candy crush, angry birds ect. are what make that statistic so high.

/nuffsaid

Lysette · February 2016

NBrookus wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I think that is left over from the 80s and maybe early 90s, when gaming computers were still expensive and basically just IT guys had them. At that time IT was still a male domain, but this has changed. Second half of the 90s gaming became more popular due to internet and a lot more women had access to computers than ever before. My generation (I am 28) grew up with computers, we don't know a world without them and it is for us a normal tool we are using on a daily basis. So to me it is not a surprise at all, that women are everywhere in technology nowadays, we simply grew up with it.

I don't think the generation gap is as much of an issue as you think on the technology side. My school had mandatory computer programming education in 5th grade math class... in 1982. I had to fight tooth and nail to take shop class, though, and any guy who wanted to take Home Ec was clearly some sort of sexual deviant. I had a computer at home; my brother didn't. Computers weren't genderized yet.

Once I got in college, lots of women used computers. Early internet services like AOL, Delphi and Compuserve had a lot of female users. When I was selling computers in the early 90's, there were as many women customers as men.

Women largely just didn't gravitate to using computers for games then. The preponderance of young men in gaming led to a locker-room style atmosphere being the norm, which then turned off many women who were interested. Suddenly gaming - and to a lesser extent computers - became genderized. It is taking a while to dig out of that hole, but we're getting there. May be nearly there, in fact, because the hole isn't that deep to begin with.

I think young ladies today might be facing more scrutiny and criticism about "geeky" choices than I did. In 20 years as a computer programmer (retired), I personally encountered sexist policies, office politics, sexual harassment, jerks and outdated gender stereotypes, but never once did they really have anything to do with IT.

(I do agree there is a mental difference regarding computers. I still think best on paper.)

Thank you for this information, I am born 1988 so I had to guess what the 80s and most of the 90s might have been like. And when I saw that a decent computer system were like the price of a car in the 80s, I just thought, just professionals might have had them. I am actually proud and thankful for what you ladies have done that we can live on an equal level to men nowadays.

As far as paper goes - well, there is a huge difference, I rarely ever print something out or use paper - I print in PDF and do my thinking with a colaborative teamwork tool, which helps getting my thoughts into order and when done to communicate them to the staff in an easy way and get their feedback right away. I am not a friend of meetings in person, I use web casts and web conferences. I think that is what makes the difference in a way - I have no feeling for distance anymore at work, it is not important where someone is, to be able to work together with him/her and we all use the same language, english, regardless what culture or country they are coming from. It is a beautiful world, basically without borders on a professional level.

Volkodav · February 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Wily_Wizard wrote: »

Here's an updated gaming demographic from 2015. You will need a PDF viewer to see it.
There's a lot of interesting info in this report.

http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

Interesting what the #4 computer game by units sold was in 2014.

I was reading through your link and found out something that I didnt know existed:

The Elder Scrolls Anthology
I am now going to buy the entire five game set.Maps and all.It has:
Arena
Daggerfall
Morrowind
Oblivion
Skyrim
All in one neat package.It's for sale at Amazon.com.

IrishGirlGamer · February 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Wily_Wizard wrote: »

Here's an updated gaming demographic from 2015. You will need a PDF viewer to see it.
There's a lot of interesting info in this report.

http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

Interesting what the #4 computer game by units sold was in 2014.

I was reading through your link and found out something that I didnt know existed:

The Elder Scrolls Anthology
I am now going to buy the entire five game set.Maps and all.It has:
Arena
Daggerfall
Morrowind
Oblivion
Skyrim
All in one neat package.It's for sale at Amazon.com.

I was looking at that the other day, too. The only reason I would buy it would be as collector's item, as I already own the games (except Arena), including all the DLC (and yes, horse armor).

Still I might buy it when I get my tax return. Just because it is cool.

Inarre · February 2016

The only people who are concerned about the number of female gamers are the guys who want to make moves on them. The rest of us are just here to enjoy the game.

Bossdonut · February 2016

Ayyyy lmao

PhantomSpaceCop · February 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to disabuse the notion that eve is a total sausage fest.....I am a woman and played eve for more then six years grew bored and moved on...further I have known several female gamers that did play that game. It may have more male to female ratio but it is by no means a male only scene. Wonders bout the supposed technical aspect of that game? Just know it wasn't because it was..."difficult" that I stopped playing. Ponders if the suggestion was that women just do not understand games like eve like they are some how mentally incapable or something...... Decides it is not worth the effort to argue or explain things to that sort ...is getting old and life is far to short....

I also played EvE for a few months. There were many things I liked about it. Especially its utterly gorgeous character creation system that I have yet to see be rivaled. Sadly, when I was playing, you couldn't really do anything with them after you made them. So for all intents and purposes, you're a ship in EvE. And I just couldn't get into that despite how many cool things the game had going for it.

I'd love to play Eve. The idea of being able to just fly a ship wherever I want and explore a massive universe really appeals to me. But I got put off by a few first impressions after watching tutorials etc. Basically I think the learning curve might be a little too crazy for me, and the fact that you can just lose everything, that would be discouraging for me when I want to be a peaceful player, and then there's the price too.

Anyway. The point is, women are in every game. I doubt there is any game where not a single female plays or has played it. This really shouldn't be surprising to people.

Well, I am sorry that you gave up on EVE so easily. You can be peaceful in EVE as well, like doing industry and trade. Of course it is PvP everywhere, so you have to take care and never fly something what you cannot afford to loose. Basically when you buy an expensive ship, you should just do it, if you could afford 3 of them.

I am playing it since 2008 and I lost just 2 ships - one in a gank, when I was pretty new (what taught me to take care), the other was pure laziness. I just did not recall my drones and fought the last enemy, not considering, that without my drones I will not have the firepower to fight it successfully. And this with the drone bay full of drones. I could have just abandoned those far away, launch new ones and all would have been good. So both were unnecessary losses.

Just popping in to concur with the Eve kickassery train. I only stopped playing because I realized I needed a better PC to play on and fully enjoy the experience. Still in progress. But it was a great game for above mentioned reasons. Elite: Dangerous is an even better version. Puts you right in the driver seat, and while it doesn't negate that "you're a ship" issue, it definitely gives you more of a tangible body in addition to doing all the other cool stuff.

On the thread topic, as a female gamer, yup, we're around.

Not really confident that we're the biggest demo honestly...stats notwithstanding. (maybe i should just not let area chat speak for the majority...) But there's a solid sprinkling of us in the realms.

Volkodav · February 2016

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Wily_Wizard wrote: »

Here's an updated gaming demographic from 2015. You will need a PDF viewer to see it.
There's a lot of interesting info in this report.

http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

Interesting what the #4 computer game by units sold was in 2014.

I was reading through your link and found out something that I didnt know existed:

The Elder Scrolls Anthology
I am now going to buy the entire five game set.Maps and all.It has:
Arena
Daggerfall
Morrowind
Oblivion
Skyrim
All in one neat package.It's for sale at Amazon.com.

I was looking at that the other day, too. The only reason I would buy it would be as collector's item, as I already own the games (except Arena), including all the DLC (and yes, horse armor).

Still I might buy it when I get my tax return. Just because it is cool.

Yeah,I have them too,but I still must have this.I even have the maps.

Gidorick · February 2016

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Wily_Wizard wrote: »

Here's an updated gaming demographic from 2015. You will need a PDF viewer to see it.
There's a lot of interesting info in this report.

http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

Interesting what the #4 computer game by units sold was in 2014.

I was reading through your link and found out something that I didnt know existed:

The Elder Scrolls Anthology
I am now going to buy the entire five game set.Maps and all.It has:
Arena
Daggerfall
Morrowind
Oblivion
Skyrim
All in one neat package.It's for sale at Amazon.com.

I was looking at that the other day, too. The only reason I would buy it would be as collector's item, as I already own the games (except Arena), including all the DLC (and yes, horse armor).

Still I might buy it when I get my tax return. Just because it is cool.

You totally should @IrishGirlGamer It's a beautiful set.

Dieadre · February 2016

Glaiceana wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

@Danikat and @Lysette I'm in the same boat as both of you pretty much. Grew up with games. It wasn't until many years later that I started to realise that people apparently found it odd that girls played games, and the only way I found out about this view was through the internet, which stands for something. I started playing games on the Playstation, probably when I was around 7, I remember at school that pretty much everyone had one and everyone had a favourite game. I'm 24 now, and I still see people's disbelief of women in gaming. I think though that it must be getting better by now. I'm certain the number of people saying "gamer girls don't exist, also girls don't exist on the internet" is falling. We are just people playing games, we enjoy games, everyone is allowed to enjoy them, its as simple as that.

When I was growing up through the 80's most of the girls I knew played video games. My best friend and her sister would play Nintendo with me constantly, their mother and my father got into a bet on who could beat Mario Bro's first. They were both very competitive and would constantly bet on things like baseball, cards ect. (spoiler alert my dad lost that bet by several hours). One of my oldest gamer friends has a daughter whom he totally supports her interest in video games (as do all of his friends). And he's really not the only example of this I can think of. On one level I honestly don't understand why anyone would feel threatened by girl gamer's, or feel the need to try and say they don't exist, or haven't. On another level I totally have seen first hand that people do act this way, as childish as they are for doing so.

There's a deeper issue in a lot of the bizarrely placed malice from what I honestly believe to be a minority of gamers (and I do know it exists). So my personal theory is this. Simply stated if you're playing a game to get a girlfriend you likely need an attitude adjustment and a dose of reality. Instead of hitting on every female character you meet, try being a decent person. Many males play female characters its true (including this one), and yes I'm bi, and no i will not accept some guy/girl hitting on me in a game any more than any female I know. Instead of taking failed relationship goals and trolling forums and harassing people in games. This would also be the reason no one in your real life is dating you either. Just try something else. Be a decent person, if a relationship is going to happen it's better to start from a good place. This advice goes for any gender, sexual identity, or sexual orientation. I state it the way I have because I have personally seen some rather disturbing attitudes from people I have interacted with in games in the past.

Sadly I honestly think this is at the core of this myth about gender gaps in gaming.

As for "casual" games, gender has nothing to do with it. more gamers are casual than hard core, therefor my fear is fewer and fewer quality experiences from games. There is a real trend leading away from some of the quality I remember in games in the 80's and 90's to games today. Games today may look pretty, but on average they severely lack the depth of content they once did. My only fear is that the games I enjoy could one day become so rare that I would have few options to continue gaming the way I enjoy. I have no real problem with candy crush, its just not for me. But don't use a massive candy crush audience as an excuse to cheapen other gaming experiences.

MrGigglypants · February 2016

Sometimes I wish I had held out a little longer and married a nerdy gamer chick.

Dieadre · February 2016

To make things very clear, I have no interest in a game I could beat during a single work shift while completing all my tasks for the day at work. Unfortunately I can list quite a few games that I not only could beat at work, but have (after high school I did work at a game store for a while so I had an opportunity to do this. Shhh don't tell my ex boss lol)

Cazzy · February 2016

I am a girl gamer
I have giant boobs
I have talent and skill
- and still respect noobs

Glaiceana · February 2016

@JBG.ITTMANb14_ESO Your quotes are all mixed up in your second last post here, just a heads up