Why are we winning about the ap changes?

Millerman34n · February 2016

I am sick and *** tierd of "hard core pvper's" if you wanna call them that, winning and complaining that "Well I spent 400 hours in pvp so every one else has to do that to get the *** I have because when I rool in my big ball group I love to slap my big a grandoverlord *** on my *** key board and *** on all the new players." I have never seen such narrow minded *** in my life not every one has had this game from day one, not every one has a ton of free time, some people make multiple characters, some people want pvp skill's but don't want to *** pvp! Think about it you stupid ***!

READ MY COMMENT! I HAVE 2 CHARACTERS AT ASSULT 10!!!!! I PLAY ESO FOR PVP!!!!

Millerman34n · February 2016

I also want to say I have 2 characters at assault 10 when it was a grind so I see your stupid point of view too.

MormondPayne_EP · February 2016

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

Cody · February 2016

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

he just said he has two characters at assault rank 10, that sounds like a PvPEr to me.

I myself have played since beta, and have put in hundreds of hours into PvP, and have all of the PvP abilities. I myself do not mind this change. Do I think it should be brought down by 90%? No, I can earn 100K AP in just a few days and I am a casual player, meaning me and the many other players like me can max out these skill lines in just a few weeks(less even) and I think that is not enough time.But at the same time it will make playing alts much easier, as not everyone has the time to do that long grind to get those abilities every time they make an alt, and vigor is a vital ability for stam builds, as will magicka detonation be for mana builds in the next month.

Dread_Guy · February 2016

oh...you meant whining...

Karamis_Vimardon · February 2016

Millerman34n wrote: »

I am sick and *** tierd of hard core pvper's winning and complaining that "Well I spent 400 hours in pvp so every one else has to do that to get the *** I have because when I rool in my big ball group I love to slap my big a grandoverlord *** on my *** key board and *** on all the new players." I have never seen such narrow minded *** in my life not every one has had this game from day one, not every one has a ton of free time, some people make multiple characters, some people want pvp skill's but don't want to *** pvp! Think about it you stupid ***!

[ConvertRant]

Hello everybody!

I am most dissatisfied with what I believe the view of the more dedicated PvP players is: "Seeing as I play this game for the PvP aspect, I believe it should not be a silver platter handout to achieve what I have done. While grouped with my associates we decimate our opponents through intimate game mechanic knowledge and do so enjoy reminding said opponents of my skill level." I've never encountered people with such small views, as it is not possible for so many people to play for as long. This could be due to a lack of game time or creating multiple toons.

I believe members of this community would like a way to obtain the Alliance War skills without having to play against other players to do so. Please consider my thoughts on all this.

[/ConvertRant]

Now isn't that a nicer way of putting it?

KenaPKK · February 2016

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

*Alliance Rank 26

Itoq · February 2016

This explains Trump. He has been misspelling whiner for months.

Xexpo · February 2016

Soulac · February 2016

lol

Johngo0036 · February 2016

I am a PVP'er and I spent 400 hours getting my Alliance war skills maxed and i think that the reduction in AP required for the skills is absolute acceptable..

It is such a long and stupid grind just to get vigour unlocked for my stamina builds as they have no reliable healing of their own...

Jules · February 2016

whining*

Turelus · February 2016

The PvP community vs PvE community thing is so cute.

Hexys · February 2016

ahahahahahahhaa

Islyn · February 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

LoreRiley · February 2016

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

It's just crazy to get the pvp skills that early due to how strong the battle leveling buff is. If you want pve players to have vigor, barrier, caltrops and proxi, then add similar skills to the soul magic skill line and unlock them with cadwells silver / gold.

If this change makes it to live, I'm very tempted to craft some legendary gear for my low level (~18) nb and blow up everyone, just to show that this change was stupid.

Humphie · February 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

It's just crazy to get the pvp skills that early due to how strong the battle leveling buff is. If you want pve players to have vigor, barrier, caltrops and proxi, then add similar skills to the soul magic skill line and unlock them with cadwells silver / gold.

If this change makes it to live, I'm very tempted to craft some legendary gear for my low level (~18) nb and blow up everyone, just to show that this change was stupid.

I'll join you...

Islyn · February 2016

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

Humphie · February 2016

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

You are right...but please think about how many hours we PvP peeps spend to get that much AP for buying that sutff! I don't have that much time to play so I sure as hell don't spend it in a stinking dungeon. So I think it is only fair we get a goodie now and then too. We work hard for that. And I do believe a lot of us are ESO plus too, so why we pay too, all I see is benefits for PvE players. I really don't understand PvE players getting upset about this.
And believe it or not...but most players spend 20, 60, 100+ hours in dungeons to get the stuff they wanted, including myself.

Ourorboros · February 2016

Karamis_Vimardon wrote: »

Millerman34n wrote: »

I am sick and *** tierd of hard core pvper's winning and complaining that "Well I spent 400 hours in pvp so every one else has to do that to get the *** I have because when I rool in my big ball group I love to slap my big a grandoverlord *** on my *** key board and *** on all the new players." I have never seen such narrow minded *** in my life not every one has had this game from day one, not every one has a ton of free time, some people make multiple characters, some people want pvp skill's but don't want to *** pvp! Think about it you stupid ***!

[ConvertRant]

Hello everybody!

I am most dissatisfied with what I believe the view of the more dedicated PvP players is: "Seeing as I play this game for the PvP aspect, I believe it should not be a silver platter handout to achieve what I have done. While grouped with my associates we decimate our opponents through intimate game mechanic knowledge and do so enjoy reminding said opponents of my skill level." I've never encountered people with such small views, as it is not possible for so many people to play for as long. This could be due to a lack of game time or creating multiple toons.

I believe members of this community would like a way to obtain the Alliance War skills without having to play against other players to do so. Please consider my thoughts on all this.

[/ConvertRant]

Now isn't that a nicer way of putting it?

^^^^^Truly excellent!!!!!

Raging aside, I agree with OP. I could rage about everyone who has an easier time with enchanting, research times, inventory space, mount training, etc. There have been a lot of changes that Cater-to-Casuals. Remember when it was actually hard to solo a delve boss, for example? Only masochists would want to do the PVP grind on every alt. No one new to the game cares about how hard things used to be, and honestly, the changes make life easier when leveling alts. Whining about the latest change is pointless. Accept the reality that zos has a Cater-to-Casuals policy and roll with the changes, or leave the game. Filling the forum with whine and cheese is boring and messy.

hammayolettuce · February 2016

People are upset because it takes on avg 3 days so one weekend of non stop pvp to go from rank 1 to 10 in AvA with the AP cap at 670k. Hell some people come close to that in a day or two when Azuras resets.

Emma_Overload · February 2016

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

Cuyler · February 2016

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

Hmmm and here I thought lowering AP requirements helps PvPrs too......I guess only the PvErs get reduced AP requirements now. So what your telling me is that if I only PvP then I still have the old stupid long grind? And if I only PvE then I will have some special PvE only buff that makes it faster? /sarcasm

we're obviously living in a parallel universe where somehow the AP reduction doesn't help PvPrs too. and LMAO to "all your changes" being dictated by PvE. You do realize how many builds have been decimated because of FOTM PvP builds that break the game?

Millerman34n · February 2016

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

Ok dude.... Your making my head hurt, did you just read the title? How many lead paint chips did you eat as a kid? You know what I think I'm gonna get a new hobby, thanks.

Kr3do · February 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

Do you really think PvP is the only reasons why theres an 501 Cp cap?
pathetic

Kr3do · February 2016

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

Thats the thing. Unlocking all the Alliance War skills so early effects PvP for everyone.
So instead of adding those skills to some PvE based skilline they f*ck PvP even more.
Do you think its fun if every Zerg runs arround with proxys and reses everyone in 1 second so its even harder to kill them?

Jules · February 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

If dev's "pandered and catered" to PVP with every patch - why has there been literally ONE pvp update (IC) throughout the duration of this game, which came with 2 PVE dungeons, PVE mobs scattered throughout it, and 0 PVP objectives?

Jhunn · February 2016

Johngo0036 wrote: »

I am a PVP'er and I spent 400 hours getting my Alliance war skills maxed and i think that the reduction in AP required for the skills is absolute acceptable..

It is such a long and stupid grind just to get vigour unlocked for my stamina builds as they have no reliable healing of their own...

If you're a PVP'er as you say yourself, you should know the grind to vigor is like, what, 2 hours?

I smell liesss..

Islyn · February 2016

Humphie wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

You are right...but please think about how many hours we PvP peeps spend to get that much AP for buying that sutff! I don't have that much time to play so I sure as hell don't spend it in a stinking dungeon. So I think it is only fair we get a goodie now and then too. We work hard for that. And I do believe a lot of us are ESO plus too, so why we pay too, all I see is benefits for PvE players. I really don't understand PvE players getting upset about this.
And believe it or not...but most players spend 20, 60, 100+ hours in dungeons to get the stuff they wanted, including myself.

Well to be totally honest PVEers see it like you guys always get our stuff nerfed, make our playtime a nuisance because of Nerfs Nerfs Nerfs.

I actually pvp too, not as hardcore as you lol but...the pve side does often feel the same you feel about us.

Aside from the lowering of ap for skills, what else did pveers get changed that affects pvpers?

Edited to add: xD if you count gaming on the side of the game you like as work ('we work hard for that'), then perhaps you can understand the point of those who don't want to do that xD

We understand, grudgingly before but Ok now in my case, so just worry about the stuff that makes you happy in game rather than that which makes you annoyed.