Why are we winning about the ap changes?

LoreRiley

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

What are you talking about? When have I ever said I was mad that PvErs get stuff? I said PvErs need to stop complaining about dungeons sets being sold when they can buy them too. Also it does affect my gameplay alot because now everyone will be running Proxy Swarm

lolo_01b16_ESO

Kr3do wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

Thats the thing. Unlocking all the Alliance War skills so early effects PvP for everyone.
So instead of adding those skills to some PvE based skilline they f*ck PvP even more.
Do you think its fun if every Zerg runs arround with proxys and reses everyone in 1 second so its even harder to kill them?

Finally someone who understands the issue
The problem is not that you get pvp skills without doing much pvp. The problem is that you can get them at a very low level, where they are unbalanced. I would complain in the same way, if you would have all class skills unlocked at level 18.

Cuyler

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

Thats the thing. Unlocking all the Alliance War skills so early effects PvP for everyone.
So instead of adding those skills to some PvE based skilline they f*ck PvP even more.
Do you think its fun if every Zerg runs arround with proxys and reses everyone in 1 second so its even harder to kill them?

Finally someone who understands the issue
The problem is not that you get pvp skills without doing much pvp. The problem is that you can get them at a very low level, where they are unbalanced. I would complain in the same way, if you would have all class skills unlocked at level 18.

If everyone has the same skills but are different levels, doesn't it then come down to player skill being the winning factor? If you're v16 w/proxy and a lvl18 w/proxy kills you it's not "unbalanced", you just got pwned by a better player and need to L2P.

You guys just sound like you're scared of all the new competition. It's cute actually. Reminds me of when I leveled my first toon

Didgerion

So why to you whine here in the OP?

You are no any better than other PVP whiners out there....you just brought other arguments but you keep the whine rolling...good job!

Millerman34n

Didgerion wrote: »

So why to you whine here in the OP?

You are no any better than other PVP whiners out there....you just brought other arguments but you keep the whine rolling...good job!

Ok .... ?

Cody

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

I personally dont give a damn about your 501CP cap, you did fine without CPs for the past two years and you can do fine without them now. A player with over a thousand CP will DESTROY anyone without the same amount. I tested it on the PTS myself when the system came out and saw the results. Players with maxed out CP could also solo CRAGLORN GROUP DELVES. it was ridiculous, the cap is needed until the system can be balanced more.

Your PvE is not the only part of this game Emma, this is something many people on both sides seem to forget, both PvE and PvP are a major part of this game and deserve attention, and PvE has been given MUCH more attention for the past two years,

I do not want to hear you whine about PvE being given the short end of the stick. and the devs "catering" to us PvPers, they have not. Emp buffs, which resulted in servers being nothing but emp trade hubs, were kept in for the longest time for PvErs to use those buffs in trials. I know it was PvErs because I had PvE guilds ask me and others to stop taking "their server" It took a YEAR for them to finally do away with it. A. YEAR. PvP was kept a lag filled mess to push out PvE content such as Wrothgar, the undaunted pledes, Craglorn,trials, and the upcoming thieves guild. PvP has been a lag filled mess since after the FIRST THREE MONTHS Emma, and it was shoved aside to push out craglorn and other PvE content. PvE has been given MUCH more dev consideration.

"screwed up PvE beyond repair" it is not screwed up beyond repair. Not in the slightest.

"And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself." a no CP campaign will be a good thing and has NO impact on your PvE experience Emma. As for the monster gear, I personally dont see an issue. many PvPers have likely grinded those dungeons for that set, if they want to buy it on alts rather than go thru that grind again i personally dont see an issue.

anymore biased hate you wish to express? I am trying not to get into an internet fight with you, but I have had enough of your biased hatred towards PvPers,

Humphie

Cody wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

I personally dont give a damn about your 501CP cap, you did fine without CPs for the past two years and you can do fine without them now. A player with over a thousand CP will DESTROY anyone without the same amount. I tested it on the PTS myself when the system came out and saw the results. Players with maxed out CP could also solo CRAGLORN GROUP DELVES. it was ridiculous, the cap is needed until the system can be balanced more.

Your PvE is not the only part of this game Emma, this is something many people on both sides seem to forget, both PvE and PvP are a major part of this game and deserve attention, and PvE has been given MUCH more attention for the past two years,

I do not want to hear you whine about PvE being given the short end of the stick. and the devs "catering" to us PvPers, they have not. Emp buffs, which resulted in servers being nothing but emp trade hubs, were kept in for the longest time for PvErs to use those buffs in trials. I know it was PvErs because I had PvE guilds ask me and others to stop taking "their server" It took a YEAR for them to finally do away with it. A. YEAR. PvP was kept a lag filled mess to push out PvE content such as Wrothgar, the undaunted pledes, Craglorn,trials, and the recent wrothgar. PvP has been a lag filled mess since after the FIRST THREE MONTHS Emma, and it was shoved aside to push out craglorn and other PvE content. PvE has been given MUCH more dev consideration.

"screwed up PvE beyond repair" it is not screwed up beyond repair. Not in the slightest.

"And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself." a no CP campaign will be a good thing and has NO impact on your PvE experience Emma. As for the monster gear, I personally dont see an issue. many PvPers have likely grinded those dungeons for that set, if they want to buy it on alts rather than go thru that grind again i personally dont see an issue.

anymore biased hate you wish to express? I am trying not to get into an internet fight with you, but I have had enough of your biased hatred towards PvPers,

What he said!

Elong

Jules wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

If dev's "pandered and catered" to PVP with every patch - why has there been literally ONE pvp update (IC) throughout the duration of this game, which came with 2 PVE dungeons, PVE mobs scattered throughout it, and 0 PVP objectives?

Wait, IC was a pvp patch? Those empty sewers and mob scattered districts and dungeons and increased lag was for us pvpers? Haha.

Moglijuana

Wait, there's PvE in this game? I thought all those DLC's that came out were PvP oriented...Kingmaker is such an awesome PvP title you know?

CatchMeTrolling

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

Lol I'm pretty sure the cap was lowered because of pve players, what pvp player really had over a thousand just from pvping? Plus having that much is broken in pve anyways, did you not consider them lowering the cap because of things like maelstrom arena? No I bet you didn't, ZOS rarely makes changes because of PVP and are slow when it comes to PVP in general.

Also you still have to get ap to buy those monster sets which you have to earn or did you forget about that ? I challenge you to a ap farming contest let's see how well you earn ap cause the way you're talking I bet you can barely get 300k in a week.

Cody

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

Lol I'm pretty sure the cap was lowered because of pve players, what pvp player really had over a thousand just from pvping? Plus having that much is broken in pve anyways, did you not consider them lowering the cap because of things like maelstrom arena? No I bet you didn't, ZOS rarely makes changes because of PVP and are slow when it comes to PVP in general.

Also you still have to get ap to buy those monster sets which you have to earn or did you forget about that ? I challenge you to a ap farming contest let's see how well you earn ap cause the way you're talking I bet you can barely get 300k in a week.

the set will likely cost in the hundreds of thousands of AP, perhaps even close to a million, and that much AP is not an easy earn(not for most people anyway), if anyone thinks that set is going to be a cheap buy they will be in for an awakening, heck the akaviri set totals over 2 million AP for a full set of armor and some weapons, and it is only cosmetic! I cannot imagine what a set that actually gives combat bonuses and is highly sought will cost.

CatchMeTrolling

Cody wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

Lol I'm pretty sure the cap was lowered because of pve players, what pvp player really had over a thousand just from pvping? Plus having that much is broken in pve anyways, did you not consider them lowering the cap because of things like maelstrom arena? No I bet you didn't, ZOS rarely makes changes because of PVP and are slow when it comes to PVP in general.

Also you still have to get ap to buy those monster sets which you have to earn or did you forget about that ? I challenge you to a ap farming contest let's see how well you earn ap cause the way you're talking I bet you can barely get 300k in a week.

the set will likely cost in the hundreds of thousands of AP, perhaps even close to a million, and that much AP is not an easy earn(not for most people anyway), if anyone thinks that set is going to be a cheap buy they will be in for an awakening, heck the akaviri set totals over 2 million AP for a full set of armor and some weapons, and it is only cosmetic! I cannot imagine what a set that actually gives combat bonuses and is highly sought will cost.

200k ap supposedly but not every dedicated pvp player farms ap, only a few really do. I check the leaderboards and after almost a week the gains are pretty low but I keep in mind a lot of people are playing just to play.

LoreRiley

Cuyler wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

Thats the thing. Unlocking all the Alliance War skills so early effects PvP for everyone.
So instead of adding those skills to some PvE based skilline they f*ck PvP even more.
Do you think its fun if every Zerg runs arround with proxys and reses everyone in 1 second so its even harder to kill them?

Finally someone who understands the issue
The problem is not that you get pvp skills without doing much pvp. The problem is that you can get them at a very low level, where they are unbalanced. I would complain in the same way, if you would have all class skills unlocked at level 18.

If everyone has the same skills but are different levels, doesn't it then come down to player skill being the winning factor? If you're v16 w/proxy and a lvl18 w/proxy kills you it's not "unbalanced", you just got pwned by a better player and need to L2P.

You guys just sound like you're scared of all the new competition. It's cute actually. Reminds me of when I leveled my first toon

You obviously know nothing of PvP there is this magical thing called "Battle Leveling" that will literally give you 4k spell damage of set up right at level 18 also a buff to skill damage so when a lvl 18 is hitting 25k proxy det remeber its balanced

RAGUNAnoOne

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

What about all the *** that got changed in PvE because of whining PvPers so shut up because it goes both ways here.

Cody

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Seriously,

PVP gets NOTHING, nothing at all, and all of our changes are dictated by the crying PvE'ers like you and then you have the audacity to come on here and *** about PvP players who get the crumbs...

Go back to Carebearing please, nobody needs your condescending garbage.

What about all the *** that got changed in PvE because of whining PvPers so shut up because it goes both ways here.

it does go both ways, therefore people need to stop trying to accuse the other side of being "carebears" and all that nonsense. and certainly stop trying to make the other out to be the bad guy.

kevlarto_ESO

I don't really care, I pvp everyday since beta, for many many hours, I pvp mostly on one toon, he has been rank 10 for a long time, my alt is rank 5 almost rank 6 I rarely play him. If it helps bring people in to Cyrodiil and keeps the campaigns lively I am all for that.

I don't grind for AP, I don't run in a blob group, I play I have fun I get an ok amount of AP, for me, I know I will never be emp, I could careless about a title that offers you nothing, to me it is all about the game play and the fun, after getting rank 10 Assault and support to me there is nothing left in pvp really just collecting AP, skill points which are always good, and getting useless titles.

Brrrofski

I play both and levelling assault on 8 toons is stupid currently.

I play in small groups. Zerging is just not fun.

The old discourages people to use different classes in pvp. It makes you focus on one or two ad stick to them.

The new way, I can play them all frequently. It's a welcome change

DjKahun

I honestly can't complain with this I recently unlocked Magicka Detonation on my Stamplar which is useless for Stamina and still got a long way to go on my Sorcerer so I wouldn't mind it earlier

Ryuho

Reduce undaunted points needed for each rank to 50 and keep alliance war changes. PVP and PVE players happy. Thank you.

Cuyler

LoreRiley wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

Thats the thing. Unlocking all the Alliance War skills so early effects PvP for everyone.
So instead of adding those skills to some PvE based skilline they f*ck PvP even more.
Do you think its fun if every Zerg runs arround with proxys and reses everyone in 1 second so its even harder to kill them?

Finally someone who understands the issue
The problem is not that you get pvp skills without doing much pvp. The problem is that you can get them at a very low level, where they are unbalanced. I would complain in the same way, if you would have all class skills unlocked at level 18.

If everyone has the same skills but are different levels, doesn't it then come down to player skill being the winning factor? If you're v16 w/proxy and a lvl18 w/proxy kills you it's not "unbalanced", you just got pwned by a better player and need to L2P.

You guys just sound like you're scared of all the new competition. It's cute actually. Reminds me of when I leveled my first toon

You obviously know nothing of PvP there is this magical thing called "Battle Leveling" that will literally give you 4k spell damage of set up right at level 18 also a buff to skill damage so when a lvl 18 is hitting 25k proxy det remeber its balanced

L2P

bowmanz607

For real. Been since beta and don't understand the whin8ng. There are only ever 2 reasons I see from people.

1. I had to play a long time to earn it and so do you.
Thus is an eliteist mentality that is carzy. If you have played so long then you should have a skill advantage. Why do you need to lock casual players and new players out of this club? All skills should be readily available to all. This allows for the game to be more skill based rather than o hey I can beat u cause I have vigor or det. That is crazy. Don't whine about it. Just show off your skills and crush them in an even fight. You need to have ability advantage as well as skill?

2. Everyone will be running around with proxy and battle rez. More server lag and insane rezjng.
O so only the coll people are allowed to lag the server and rez their buddies faster. Don't lock people out of skills because zos has server issues. Get over it.

Ap changes are good for all.

davey1107

I am sick and *** tierd of hard core pvper's winning and complaining

Right back atcha, sport.

I have no issue with the developers reducing some of the grind. However, it's legitimate to argue that ESO has become so handicapped that it's a little silly. MMRPGs are about earning buffs and better characters. When developers create a system whereby everyone is very nearly equal...there's no point in working hard for a better character.

With every update, they make every skill and class more like every other. They make Nightblades tankier, and Dragonknights sneakier. Range is reduced on long range killer abilities, and minor abilities are buffed. Sneak is slowly being eliminated, and the Templars heal is being made more like every other effing heal in the game. A level 15 toon on an account with 300 champion points can fight just about anyone in PVP.

Characters are all becoming the same with very little variation. Amd that sameness is making PVP zergier and more boring. That's why people are complaining - when there are no extremely powerful, special abilities that take forever to earn, there's no point in playing for very long.

Swoosh, I just cast "ZOSify Maximus." Everyone on the board now has ten million hit points, and all attack do one point in damage.

Duiwel

I welcome it because I was Rank 6 in NA before I moved over to EU in 2014 and I am not even rank 3 in EU because I don't PvP because of the grind so I guess I am neutral?

- popcorn anyone?

Jura23

Kr3do wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

LoreRiley wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

Go buy a hat and shoulder at your new vendor (which other people had to do whole dungeons 20, 60, 100+ times to get) and cuddle them - you'll feel much better.

I've literally explained how to Undaunted 9 within a couple weeks max, 30min to 1 hour a day, that's it. Easy Peasy.

Lol you mean the sets that also costs gold? Yeaaa PvE gains aswell like always

But So Does PVP! You roll a new char? You can Proxi Det bomb group people some more xD

Please stop acting like only things YOU WANT are fair - just open your mind and look.

Also, really? Why do you care?

Same reason why I had to do over 100 VWGT runs to get my infused kena hat?

I mean what difference does it make in your life at all?

I was REALLLLLLY MAD at first about PVP people getting stuff I had to work so hard to get, then I realised, that it changes MY game play not in the slightest.

It's not like it's anything REAL that i need and you take from me if YOU have.

I mean for real, who cares. Just have fun playing or you know *makes magical door out of forced to blah blah land*

Thats the thing. Unlocking all the Alliance War skills so early effects PvP for everyone.
So instead of adding those skills to some PvE based skilline they f*ck PvP even more.
Do you think its fun if every Zerg runs arround with proxys and reses everyone in 1 second so its even harder to kill them?

I hope you're not using proxi yourself to add to this problem. Otherwise, this post would be quite hypocritical.

In other words - critcize the skills, not ppl who use them.

Junipus

KenaPKK wrote: »

Fine, have our PvP abilities for no actual effort or PvP.

But in return, I want Undaunted Passives at Undaunted 2 for us but 9 for you, and I want all of the v14 end game trial sets upgraded to v16 and dropping in rewards for the worthy mail, but only for characters of Alliance Rank 28 or higher.

That would be fair.

No,

A true balance would be for ZOS to finally implement enforcers under the justice system. If everyone's going to get our hard ground abilities with a fraction of the effort then we should be able to bring PvP into PvE areas and use those abilities against those who whined hard for them.

ksimpscnub18_ESO

Millerman34n wrote: »

I am sick and *** tierd of hard core pvper's winning and complaining that "Well I spent 400 hours in pvp so every one else has to do that to get the *** I have because when I rool in my big ball group I love to slap my big a grandoverlord *** on my *** key board and *** on all the new players." I have never seen such narrow minded *** in my life not every one has had this game from day one, not every one has a ton of free time, some people make multiple characters, some people want pvp skill's but don't want to *** pvp! Think about it you stupid ***!

READ MY COMMENT! I HAVE 2 CHARACTERS AT ASSULT 10!!!!! I PLAY ESO FOR PVP!!!!

So much WINNING sounds like a WINNING BABY

bosmern_ESO

Millerman34n wrote: »

I am sick and *** tierd of hard core pvper's winning and complaining that "Well I spent 400 hours in pvp so every one else has to do that to get the *** I have because when I rool in my big ball group I love to slap my big a grandoverlord *** on my *** key board and *** on all the new players." I have never seen such narrow minded *** in my life not every one has had this game from day one, not every one has a ton of free time, some people make multiple characters, some people want pvp skill's but don't want to *** pvp! Think about it you stupid ***!

READ MY COMMENT! I HAVE 2 CHARACTERS AT ASSULT 10!!!!! I PLAY ESO FOR PVP!!!!

It's because they are changing a PvP skill line to cater to PvErs. It's a pretty basic concept, If you want to get skills/passives that are for PvP, you should have to PvP for it. Not cry on the forums that you have to work for something and then have ZoS change everything for you.

Its as if a PvPer cried that PvErs get trial gear, so ZoS put Trail gear for sale for AP. You'd hear PvErs saying "I had to run X trial 100 times to get the full set I wanted with all the traits that I wanted, and now PvPers can gain a few million AP and get it, while they didnt spend nearly the amount of time I did."

By the way, I have 3 characters at/over Alliance rank 24, just because you have characters at Assualt rank 10 doesn't mean your opinion is greater than others.

Ghostbane

Millerman34n wrote: »

READ MY COMMENT!

Trying.

Millerman34n wrote: »

I HAVE 2 CHARACTERS AT ASSULT 10!!!!!

On the PTS?

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

What, you didn't see Molag Bal's and a horde of NPC's post(s) calling for a cap because of over-powered PVErs?

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

I believe the NO-CP campaigns are designed for the people who lose repeatedly, and blame 'CP'. You won't find many here calling for them.

A vendor to SELL us Monster gear !? How dare us! As much fun as it is running the daily pledge, I do believe that is most PVPers limits and why is that a crime? It is not as if this vendor is exclusively open to PVPers, anyone can use it.

If the merchant sold undaunted points, now, well, that would be something to get hot and bothered about.

But a random set, with random traits, on 2 days a week? Not counting sets that are related to DLCs. QUEUE UP FOR YOUR BOGDAN SCARFS!

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Again, hardly our fault for using our abilities. Again, hardly our fault that there is no simple solution to change ability stats between PvP + PvE ( Whereas there should have been from the start, and I don't mean a 50% damage reduction blanket )

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

It took just over a calendar year for us to get working doors.

A door for a quest in Reapers March got hotfixed over that weekend.

#endlessWhining
#theNerve

Millerman34n

Ghostbane wrote: »

Millerman34n wrote: »

READ MY COMMENT!

Trying.

Millerman34n wrote: »

I HAVE 2 CHARACTERS AT ASSULT 10!!!!!

On the PTS?

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

You got the 501 CP cap that ruined my progression.

What, you didn't see Molag Bal's and a horde of NPC's post(s) calling for a cap because of over-powered PVErs?

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

And now you're getting NO-CP campaigns AND a vendor to sell you monster gear you couldn't be bothered to earn yourself.

I believe the NO-CP campaigns are designed for the people who lose repeatedly, and blame 'CP'. You won't find many here calling for them.

A vendor to SELL us Monster gear !? How dare us! As much fun as it is running the daily pledge, I do believe that is most PVPers limits and why is that a crime? It is not as if this vendor is exclusively open to PVPers, anyone can use it.

If the merchant sold undaunted points, now, well, that would be something to get hot and bothered about.

But a random set, with random traits, on 2 days a week? Not counting sets that are related to DLCs. QUEUE UP FOR YOUR BOGDAN SCARFS!

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

On top of that, you got HUNDREDS of stupid nerfs over the last two years that have screwed up PvE beyond repair.

Again, hardly our fault for using our abilities. Again, hardly our fault that there is no simple solution to change ability stats between PvP + PvE ( Whereas there should have been from the start, and I don't mean a 50% damage reduction blanket )

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Finally, after all your ENDLESS WHINING, you have the nerve to suggest that ZOS never does anything for you, even though the devs pander and cater to you with every patch!!!

It took just over a calendar year for us to get working doors.

A door for a quest in Reapers March got hotfixed over that weekend.

#endlessWhining
#theNerve

1) I have a Sorc on Xbox that is ASSULT 10 and DK on pc that is the same

No need to insult people because they don't have the same opinion!

Ghostbane

Millerman34n wrote: »

No need to insult people because they don't have the same opinion!

So all those *'s in your original post were ASCII art of the American Flag?