Meteor

MountainHound · February 2016

Playing on the PTS server... this needs to be reflect-able. By making it not you are once again removing any skill required. It takes good resource management / knowledge to reflect it back and everyone has the ability to do so with the shield and sword skill. If that means they have to play differently so be it.

But You heard it here first. Everyone will now be spamming meteors generating more lag and every single person that has it will use it as tbh it is the most op ultimate in game. There will be so many "omg i got spammed by 10 meteors" threads. Just please keep the ability to reflect them.

Jura23 · February 2016

I sure know I will use Meteor now.

MountainHound · February 2016

Every single person will. You will be on a flag capping it and out of nowhere from stealth you'll have 6-12 meteor being spammed on you and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

mike.eso · February 2016

Are you still able to cloak it?

Either way, I agree get ready for a whole lot of them falling from the sky.

Don't see the point in unavoidable attacks...1,2,3 I win lol

Aleraon · February 2016

meteor is not a projectile which is what dragon fire scale reflects. Its an ultimate that falls from the sky and therefore should not be reflectable.

Leovolao · February 2016

Block?

Drackens · February 2016

You can walk away from dragon leap...why can't I dodge a rock?

Soulac · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

meteor is not a projectile which is what dragon fire scale reflects. Its an ultimate that falls from the sky and therefore should not be reflectable.

You might research what projectile means.

Tomato · February 2016

Mikmak wrote: »

Are you still able to cloak it?

Either way, I agree get ready for a whole lot of them falling from the sky.

Don't see the point in unavoidable attacks...1,2,3 I win lol

Yes

Leovolao · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

meteor is not a projectile which is what dragon fire scale reflects. Its an ultimate that falls from the sky and therefore should not be reflectable.

How is a rock falling from the sky not a projectile?

Aleraon · February 2016

Soulac wrote: »

Aleraon wrote: »

meteor is not a projectile which is what dragon fire scale reflects. Its an ultimate that falls from the sky and therefore should not be reflectable.

You might research what projectile means.

A projectile is any object thrown into space (empty or not) by the exertion of a force.[1] Although any object in motion through space (for example a thrown baseball) may be called a projectile, the term more commonly refers to a ranged weapon

mike.eso · February 2016

Leovolao wrote: »

Block?

Yeah works fine in a 1v1...sometimes ha

but not when multiple people are dropping them on you though, which a lot of more people/groups will be running it since there is no risk/downside to it anymore.

It wont be a huge problem I just don't get the change...If you aren't aware enough to choose your target and you cast it on a dk or someone running s&b then you took a risk and it might be coming back at you, same as if you cast it on a nb and don't follow up to keep him/her from dodging it with cloak. It at least took a little bit of awareness...and not a whole lot...to choose your target correctly.

mike.eso · February 2016

Tomato wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

Are you still able to cloak it?

Either way, I agree get ready for a whole lot of them falling from the sky.

Don't see the point in unavoidable attacks...1,2,3 I win lol

Yes

Sweeeet, thanks bud.

OdinForge · February 2016

This is a pretty obvious dumbing down change, I lost the energy to even bother any further though.

Aleraon wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Aleraon wrote: »

meteor is not a projectile which is what dragon fire scale reflects. Its an ultimate that falls from the sky and therefore should not be reflectable.

You might research what projectile means.

A projectile is any object thrown into space (empty or not) by the exertion of a force.[1] Although any object in motion through space (for example a thrown baseball) may be called a projectile, the term more commonly refers to a ranged weapon

What the **** are you even talking about? Let's not argue semantics of a word in a video game, meteor is a projectile. In terms of a healthy and balanced game, we should have the ability to reflect or at the very least dodge this ultimate, NB can still cloak and Templar can still cleanse so WTF. You take a lot of thought out of the game by removing this function.

MountainHound · February 2016

Even if 6 people spam it at you, as a DK you can only reflect 4 but at least you can. As it stands smart people if they see a dk will throw 4/5 light attacks your way so you don't reflect the meteor. But now it is, send the meteor, CC them (which is broken as well) and just watch them melt.

Leovolao · February 2016

Mikmak wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Block?

Yeah works fine in a 1v1...sometimes ha

but not when multiple people are dropping them on you though, which a lot of more people/groups will be running it since there is no risk/downside to it anymore.

It wont be a huge problem I just don't get the change...If you aren't aware enough to choose your target and you cast it on a dk or someone running s&b then you took a risk and it might be coming back at you, same as if you cast it on a nb and don't follow up to keep him/her from dodging it with cloak. It at least took a little bit of awareness...and not a whole lot...to choose your target correctly.

I agree it won't be a huge deal. People throwing multiple meteors on you will get you killed on the new patch, but not much more than any ulti bomb we have on live currently.

I guess the change was made because of the double reflect thing, another change nobody asked or even understand. DKs can flappy wings with no risk now and having a meteor reflected back at you with nothing to do except block and hope for the best would cause major QQ.

Leovolao · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Aleraon wrote: »

meteor is not a projectile which is what dragon fire scale reflects. Its an ultimate that falls from the sky and therefore should not be reflectable.

You might research what projectile means.

A projectile is any object thrown into space (empty or not) by the exertion of a force.[1] Although any object in motion through space (for example a thrown baseball) may be called a projectile, the term more commonly refers to a ranged weapon

So my crystal frag isn't a projectile by your definition?

ZoS!! Hire this man!

Zyle · February 2016

Guess this is a ZOS response to long TTK?

Darnathian · February 2016

Its just more incentive for people to slot it. Therefor much more fall damage going around. I could anyone be a advocate for this change?

mike.eso · February 2016

Leovolao wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Block?

Yeah works fine in a 1v1...sometimes ha

but not when multiple people are dropping them on you though, which a lot of more people/groups will be running it since there is no risk/downside to it anymore.

It wont be a huge problem I just don't get the change...If you aren't aware enough to choose your target and you cast it on a dk or someone running s&b then you took a risk and it might be coming back at you, same as if you cast it on a nb and don't follow up to keep him/her from dodging it with cloak. It at least took a little bit of awareness...and not a whole lot...to choose your target correctly.

I agree it won't be a huge deal. People throwing multiple meteors on you will get you killed on the new patch, but not much more than any ulti bomb we have on live currently.

I guess the change was made because of the double reflect thing, another change nobody asked or even understand. DKs can flappy wings with no risk now and having a meteor reflected back at you with nothing to do except block and hope for the best would cause major QQ.

Yeah idk, just seems like they took something that took some sort of awareness, timing and skill and removed all that...for a change that at least in the circles I play in hadn't ever been and issue.

If I cast a meteor and it got reflected on me then I messed up, but I also have counters of my own.

Aleraon · February 2016

Having the ability to dodge the attack is a must for all classes, but for one class to have the ability to reflect an ultimate fired at them with an additional 35% damage added on top? That's not balance.

JaJaLuka · February 2016

Drackens wrote: »

You can walk away from dragon leap...why can't I dodge a rock?

You used to be able to, but for some stupid reason they changed it.

Darnathian · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

Having the ability to dodge the attack is a must for all classes, but for one class to have the ability to reflect an ultimate fired at them with an additional 35% damage added on top? That's not balance.

Every one does. sword and board. thats the balance if you choose so.

Sallington · February 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

I sure know I will use Meteor now.

Most people will be. There's no reason not to now.

Zyle · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

Having the ability to dodge the attack is a must for all classes, but for one class to have the ability to reflect an ultimate fired at them with an additional 35% damage added on top? That's not balance.

I disagree. Every class has strengths and weaknesses, where a DK could reflect with additional damage a Sorc can negate the majority of the damage if not all with shields. An NB can cloak it and be in position to attack as the animation is falling on their head, a Templar can simply purge/heal through it. Anyone can slot S&B and throw a reflect up as well, just not the additional damage. There are plenty of ways to meteor a DK with wings it just takes timing, making it not reflectable just kills intuitive combat imo. This is coming from a NB main btw.

Kwivur · February 2016

QQ

mike.eso · February 2016

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Aleraon wrote: »

Having the ability to dodge the attack is a must for all classes, but for one class to have the ability to reflect an ultimate fired at them with an additional 35% damage added on top? That's not balance.

I disagree. Every class has strengths and weaknesses, where a DK could reflect with additional damage a Sorc can negate the majority of the damage if not all with shields. An NB can cloak it and be in position to attack as the animation is falling on their head, a Templar can simply purge/heal through it. Anyone can slot S&B and throw a reflect up as well, just not the additional damage. There are plenty of ways to meteor a DK with wings it just takes timing, making it not reflectable just kills intuitive combat imo. This is coming from a NB main btw.

Well said.

MountainHound · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

Having the ability to dodge the attack is a must for all classes, but for one class to have the ability to reflect an ultimate fired at them with an additional 35% damage added on top? That's not balance.

Every class has ability to reflect it from the sword and shield class:

Defensive Posture:

- Bolster your defenses to reflect the next spell projectile targeting you back at the caster.
- While slotted, the amount of damage you can block is increased by 8% and the cost of blocking is reduced by 8%.

Defensive Stance:

- Bolster your defenses to reflect the next spell projectile targeting you back at the caster and stun them for 4 seconds.
- While slotted, the amount of damage you can block is increased by 8% and the cost of blocking is reduced by 8%.
- Reflected attacks stun enemy caster.

Absorb Magic:

- Bolster your defenses to absorb up to [x] damage from the next spell projectile cast at you and heal yourself for up to 15% of your Max Health.
- While slotted, the amount of damage you can block is increased by 8% and the cost of blocking is reduced by 8%.
- Absorb spell, healing yourself.

mike.eso · February 2016

Kwivur wrote: »

QQ

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Prabooo · February 2016

Drackens wrote: »

You can walk away from dragon leap...why can't I dodge a rock?

'Cause meteors enter the atmosphere at speeds ranging from 11 km/sec (25,000 mph) to 72 km/sec (160,000 mph), whereas the terminal velocity of a leap is miniscule to create a massive impact, in comparison.

Dyride · February 2016

Well this and the Prox det change are ridiculous.

You can see in Sypher's magicka video, he is getting 9.4k Prox det crits in duels 1v1. Couple that with a Meteor and there is no way to survive that kind of burst.

Meteor should be completely reworked. Have one morph be CC+Medium instant damage. Other morph be a Ground target AOE like Nova with high instant damage+heavy damage DoT that can be used to deny areas.

The fact is that you may not even see the ground effect in lag before you are thrown in the air. So having a heat seeking AOE CC and heavy damage ability is really too much.