Why can't Nightblades think outside the box?

Eejit1331 · February 2016

Learn to adapt like all other classes, changes classes or leave. [snip]
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine.

[Minor edit for baiting comment]

Mojmir · February 2016

wait...theres a box? nerf it

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Give an example how the cloak will be OP when everyone has a skill equipped that nullifies it and halves damage received from stealth?

Tryxus · February 2016

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Youd be foolish not to equip it.

Tryxus · February 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Now youd be foolish not to equip it.

Only if you're a PvEer in IC

In Cyrodiil proper, I kinda expect the amount of ppl who use this skill to be the same

TheShadowScout · February 2016

So nightblades will have a tough time in the future... oh, like back in the day when cloak didn't work right?
Personally I don't mind that, though I reserve judgement until I see how it works. The "gank-from-stealth" play is boring, even when I am PvPing on my NB and trying my hand at the gankers side. I just wish nightblades would get a bit more to not -have- to rely on that, but... eh. Changes happen, rebalances get done, we will adapt and keep playing.

ParaNostram · February 2016

The Nightblade Class, like all of the other classes, has a wealth of opportunities for unique and enjoyable builds if you only have the creativity to pursue it. Sure you can play the intended gankfest stamblade striking from the shadows, but you could also be a life stealing mage slipping in and out of the shadows, a powerful knight in heavy armor standing toe to toe with it's enemies dodging their attacks. The possibilities are mostly endless, just gotta think out of the box as the OP suggested.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Now youd be foolish not to equip it.

Only if you're a PvEer in IC

In Cyrodiil proper, I kinda expect the amount of ppl who use this skill to be the same

Why would you not slot an ability that gives you 10% crit, 5% magicka just for having it on your bar?

Holy-Dope · February 2016

"Why can't Nightblades think outside the box? "

Who defined the box? and if NB uses cloak then what's wrong with it? they have a skill and they use it. Stop crying about that.

Cloak is utility not an OP skill.

Derra · February 2016

Hahaha - i see where you´re coming from.

@Araxleon

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

ParaNostram wrote: »

The Nightblade Class, like all of the other classes, has a wealth of opportunities for unique and enjoyable builds if you only have the creativity to pursue it. Sure you can play the intended gankfest stamblade striking from the shadows, but you could also be a life stealing mage slipping in and out of the shadows, a powerful knight in heavy armor standing toe to toe with it's enemies dodging their attacks. The possibilities are mostly endless, just gotta think out of the box as the OP suggested.

The possibilities are endless. The possibilities that are actually effective however are not.

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

Why think outside the box when there are new gank sets (Marksman + Alchimist)? I expect the cloak changes to hurt melee players, who actually go toe to toe with their enemies, way more than bow gank builds. Your magelight won't detect me if I snipe you from 40m away.

Alucardo · February 2016

Holy-Dope wrote: »

Cloak is utility not an OP skill.

NOT ANYMORE LOLOLOLOL

Draxys · February 2016

Because every skyrim player wants to snipe people and one shot them like they did to all those poor draugr. I personally hate stealth gameplay being in pvp at all, it does way too much damage in this game way too easily. Then again, most things do too much damage right now.

Mojmir · February 2016

why cant sorcs stay inside the box? why cant Templars get a box instead of a wet paper bag?
dk's are cool though, we burn boxes

Brrrofski · February 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Now youd be foolish not to equip it.

Only if you're a PvEer in IC

In Cyrodiil proper, I kinda expect the amount of ppl who use this skill to be the same

Why would you not slot an ability that gives you 10% crit, 5% magicka just for having it on your bar?

And grant empower. Don't forget you can cast that on yourself, in stealth. Ironically, gankers may even use it.

ShadowDisciple · February 2016

lol i cant wait for live so you guys can come again in a month here and write "NERF CLOAAKC" AND "NB OP" THREADS..

face it you (and all of us) needs to get gud...you dont see Sypher and Lucy spamming forums..they kill ppl in game...

Atomsk27 · February 2016

Indeed. It's going to be fun to fear from a distance with a magicka Nighblade and still cloak just fine.

Tankqull · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Now youd be foolish not to equip it.

Only if you're a PvEer in IC

In Cyrodiil proper, I kinda expect the amount of ppl who use this skill to be the same

its like camo hunter - it will be widely used untill the amount of NB droped to 5-10% as camohunter dropped the amount of vamps to that value too.

runagate · February 2016

This topic is a weird oblique to this song, right?

https://youtu.be/B2TBX4s9C4w?t=63

I started out Pvping way back in the day as a stamina NB (long since switched to magicka for PvE endgame activities) back when stamina builds were utter garbage and eventually gave up on Cloak ever getting fixed (I guess it eventually did but never really slotted it thereafter).

That being said this change sounds stupid. It's easy enough to counter Cloak; what this sounds like is how Flare should actually work. The awfulness of this change works both ways, btw. It sounds like you can't really ride around with your Light toggled at all times, so even though people with a fully trained Speed and Stamina mount can still pretty much ignore gankers at full gallop still, this change will make it even more difficult for newbies.

Sausage · February 2016

You dont get it, Holy Trinity has always been in the genre, Holy Trinity basically means, Healer, Tank and DPS. So whats wrong if somebody wants to be DPS? Like they have done last 20 year or so, if you like to DPS grab a siege weapon and start blasting.

laksikus · February 2016

ParaNostram wrote: »

The Nightblade Class, like all of the other classes, has a wealth of opportunities for unique and enjoyable builds if you only have the creativity to pursue it. Sure you can play the intended gankfest stamblade striking from the shadows, but you could also be a life stealing mage slipping in and out of the shadows, a powerful knight in heavy armor standing toe to toe with it's enemies dodging their attacks. The possibilities are mostly endless, just gotta think out of the box as the OP suggested.

You mean unique Builds like SAP Tank?
Oh wait...

Thats the real nerf to nbs

CtrlAltDlt · February 2016

Why do you stereotype nightblade players? Portraying all of us as gankers when some of us are not?

Sav72 · February 2016

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave, but the river of tears is just comical and over dramatic.
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine. L2P

Why cant Sorc, play with out Shields?

Why cant DK, play with out Relfect?

Why cant Temps play with out Heals?

Trust me people will leave, once there is something worth playing. PvPers keep this game alive.....

Master_Kas · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Not everyone's gonna sacrifice a skill slot (or 2) and sacrifice a lot of utility to fight every class just to have a skill equipped that fights only 1 class

Did you read how they changed that skill? Now youd be foolish not to equip it.

Only if you're a PvEer in IC

In Cyrodiil proper, I kinda expect the amount of ppl who use this skill to be the same

This is BS and you know it.

It empowers, gives you max magicka + crit while slotted, mana regen from passives.
On top of making people close to you unable to cloak. And isn't required on both bars.

I bet most ppl in cyrodiil with use it, since all seem to hate NB's so much.

All of my magicka builds will have this skill slotted on one bar.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

actually i don't think it's to bad with the complaining to the nerf of NB. it's the buff to sorc again which were as good as stam NB annoys me. and to be honest i don't think this will affect NB as mutch as people think. the broken mechanics that the NB has, has little to do with cloak and stealth. but thats all they see so hey that must be the part thats OP

Eejit1331 · February 2016

A 3 second cool down is completely reasonable. I think NB are getting off easy. Good job with the crocodile tears.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2016

ParaNostram wrote: »

The Nightblade Class, like all of the other classes, has a wealth of opportunities for unique and enjoyable builds if you only have the creativity to pursue it. Sure you can play the intended gankfest stamblade striking from the shadows, but you could also be a life stealing mage slipping in and out of the shadows, a powerful knight in heavy armor standing toe to toe with it's enemies dodging their attacks. The possibilities are mostly endless, just gotta think out of the box as the OP suggested.

More than likely when it comes to the Bolded part, NOT ANYMORE...

I just think people should stop whining like cry babies and learn to play (L2P), because basically ZOS handed any Magical build a way to Stop Cloak on Nightblades.. they made the ability too good to pass up.. now with all the other counters to Nightblades my opinion is this is just BULL.. we already had plenty of counters, but wee little cry babies didn't want to use them and cried foul that they were getting ganked all the time.. and the reason why...

because before IC dropped (that's when Cloak was fixed) Cloaking worked like crap, enemy players could knock Nightblades out of Cloak all the time and it was extremely Buggy, so it was still pretty easy to kill Nightblades, other players were used to having Nightblades as easy kill's..... then IC came and single target abilities were nullified by Shadow Cloak.

OMG they are soooo OP.. I should have hit him..that was unfair.. ETC...ETC.... (because players were already used to killing Nightblades easily and then Cloak was fixed, like it should have been at Launch, so players were now like, oh man we can't kill them like before, this is just OP...)

So now we have a ability to stop Cloak working for like 3 secs, it's locked out, which then turns some of our passives and some races racial skills to crap (Bosmer and Khajiit) because Nightblades can no longer get as much from those passives...

Then they also remove the DOT clearing ability from Cloak, so now to bypass a DOT we have to be in Cloak, but we cant maintain cloak because of Magelight.. Nice one ZOS..

I guess Dark Brotherhood with the Skills revamp and racial revamp will fix things right???? I doubt it..

LBxFinalDeath · February 2016

Yeah....cloak will be great alright now that the game will have around 6 hard counters to cloak.

The most easily countered skill in the game yet ppl are still salty.

PlagueMonk · February 2016

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Learn to adapt like all other classea, changes classes or leave, but the river of tears is just comical and over dramatic.
The changes being made are solid counters but not by any means eliminating cloak. Cloak will still be OP to skilled players. With a little theory crafting Nightblades will be just fine. L2P

And I find it highly ironic that it was players like you most likely who were QQing up a storm about cloak in IC because you were incapable of learning how to easily counter it. So Zenimax gave you all an "EZ" button to nullify one of the NB classes most defining skills.

Maybe if you had one of your main's iconic skills rendered useless you would catch a clue as to why NBs are so up in arms about magelight (and the nerf to cloak also)