Elemental Expert bugged!

Aquanova · February 2016

I already made a post on the "pts bugs" thread and made a bug report in game, but since this is a pretty important feature and a hallmark of this update I'll just go ahead and make a thread to hopefully get more ppl to confirm this.

Anyone else have some discrepancies when taking points out of " Thaumaturge " and putting them into " Elemental Expert "?

My tooltip values all changed and not for the better.

danno8 · February 2016

Aquanova wrote: »

I already made a post on the "pts bugs" thread and made a bug report in game, but since this is a pretty important feature and a hallmark of this update I'll just go ahead and make a thread to hopefully get more ppl to confirm this.

Anyone else have some discrepancies when taking points out of " Thaumaturge " and putting them into " Elemental Expert "?

My tooltip values all changed and not for the better.

It's just the tooltips. Damage is correct according to my tests.

Aquanova · February 2016

danno8 wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I already made a post on the "pts bugs" thread and made a bug report in game, but since this is a pretty important feature and a hallmark of this update I'll just go ahead and make a thread to hopefully get more ppl to confirm this.

Anyone else have some discrepancies when taking points out of " Thaumaturge " and putting them into " Elemental Expert "?

My tooltip values all changed and not for the better.

It's just the tooltips. Damage is correct according to my tests.

I'll take your word for it. I don't have add ons active on the pts so I can't see the damage generated by the skills.

Thank you

Sav72 · February 2016

Adding pts to Ele expert does nothing to spell damage in pts.

Reg server 100 pts in thau.....7k plus damage with Siphon
PTS server 100 pts in Ele Expert 5500 damage to Siphon.

Also on PTS down 220pts in SP, for some odd reason.

Aquanova · February 2016

Sav72 wrote: »

Adding pts to Ele expert does nothing to spell damage in pts.

Reg server 100 pts in thau.....7k plus damage with Siphon
PTS server 100 pts in Ele Expert 5500 damage to Siphon.

Also on PTS down 220pts in SP, for some odd reason.

Yeah I'm getting similar results.

With 100 pts into Elemental Expert.

Ice Comet = 10398 mag dmg + 3013 cold dmg.
Reflective Light = 3339 flame dmg + 5188 flame DOT.
Blazing Spear = 3061 mag dmg + 654 mag dmg each second.
Puncturing Sweeps = 783 mag dmg.
Dark Flare = 9590 mag dmg.
Solar Prison = 2783 mag dmg + 10629 mag dmg on activation.

With 100 pts into Thaumaturge.

Ice Comet = 12996 mag dmg + 3766 cold dmg.
Reflective Light = 4173 flame dmg + 6488 flame DOT.
Blazing Spear = 3827 mag dmg + 817 mag dmg each second.
Puncturing Sweeps = 978 mag dmg.
Dark Flare = 11987 mag dmg.
Solar Prison = 3479 mag dmg + 13285 mag dmg on activation.

As you can see, with points into Thaumaturge, I'm getting much better numbers on the tooltips, but as @danno8 stated, that his testing showed that Elemental Expert is working correctly.

So I guess what I'm looking for now is either a concensus that these CP trees are doing what there supposed to or not. Would be appreciated if a dev could confirm what's going on.

danno8 · February 2016

Sav72 wrote: »

Adding pts to Ele expert does nothing to spell damage in pts.

Reg server 100 pts in thau.....7k plus damage with Siphon
PTS server 100 pts in Ele Expert 5500 damage to Siphon.

Also on PTS down 220pts in SP, for some odd reason.

@Sav72

I am betting these are tooltips. Did you use any combat text?

@Aquanova

ZoS has their own combat text now. Setting/interface.

Aquanova · February 2016

danno8 wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

Adding pts to Ele expert does nothing to spell damage in pts.

Reg server 100 pts in thau.....7k plus damage with Siphon
PTS server 100 pts in Ele Expert 5500 damage to Siphon.

Also on PTS down 220pts in SP, for some odd reason.

@Sav72

I am betting these are tooltips. Did you use any combat text?

@Aquanova

ZoS has their own combat text now. Setting/interface.

Ok, I'm gonna try that out when I get home.
Thanks again

Asayre · February 2016

I agree that it appears to be a tooltip bug. If you test with a combat log you'll see that it works as expected. It appears that Elemental Expert doesn't change the tooltip at all but Thaumathurge will increase the tooltip of most magicka based abilities both DoTs and non-DoTs.

Aquanova · February 2016

Asayre wrote: »

I agree that it appears to be a tooltip bug. If you test with a combat log you'll see that it works as expected. It appears that Elemental Expert doesn't change the tooltip at all but Thaumathurge will increase the tooltip of most magicka based abilities both DoTs and non-DoTs.

Ok, thank you @Asayre

Aquanova · February 2016

Ok, @danno8 and @Asayre. You were both right. After using the combat text I do indeed see an increase to most skills regardless of what the tooltips state. The exception being "Puncturing Sweeps". I tested it with 100 cp in both EE and Thaumaturge and the damage it produced was the same. So I tested it without those 100 cp in either and saw a decrease in damage, which I think means the increased damage I get with the 100 cp into those trees comes only from the increased magicka pool.

Is that a bug? Shouldn't I see an increase in damage when I put those 100 cp into EE rather than Thaumaturge? It's as if Puncturing Sweeps is unaffected by the EE increase.

Asayre · February 2016

It sounds like things are working as planned @Aquanova. From what you wrote I'm guessing that you did say 1000 (total) damage with Puncturing Sweep with 100 points in Elemental Expert and also did 1000 damage when you had 100 points in Thaumathurge. That is because Puncturing Sweep is both magic based and a DoT. So a 25% boost to magic damage or a 25% boost to DoT damage is the same thing.

What you want to do to make sure Elemental Expert/Thaumathurge is working is put 100 points in something innocuous like Blessed and then compare that damage to the damage with 100 points in Elemental Expert/Thaumathurge.

Aquanova · February 2016

@Asayre you are right again. I put those 100 cp into blessed and shattering blows and saw the decrease in damage again. When I took that base damage (1682 ) and added 25% it came out to exactly what I'm getting with those 100 cp into EE, (2102.5) the game rounded it to 2103. You figured it out again man, thanks so much! I was worried my templar was gonna be gimped by these new changes. I'm so relieved I was wrong

CHEERS BROTHER

RoyJade · February 2016

So, templar can have a big boost to their main dps ability with cp ? That's a freaking good new !
I'm afraid it won't be enough (even if they don't need as many cp in elfborn than other players), but at least it will be a little better than now.

With the new valkyn rise pve templar may finally be back on the scene.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · February 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

So, templar can have a big boost to their main dps ability with cp ? That's a freaking good new !
I'm afraid it won't be enough (even if they don't need as many cp in elfborn than other players), but at least it will be a little better than now.

With the new valkyn rise pve templar may finally be back on the scene.

Eh, PvE temp dps are a thing on live atm, got a friend doing 30k+ dps on his temp.

danno8 · February 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

So, templar can have a big boost to their main dps ability with cp ? That's a freaking good new !
I'm afraid it won't be enough (even if they don't need as many cp in elfborn than other players), but at least it will be a little better than now.

With the new valkyn rise pve templar may finally be back on the scene.

Yah, so two stars can affect Sweeps even though a channel is not a dot. I wonder if it also affects Radiant Destruction? If it does I am sure ZoS will find the time to fix it.

Emma_Overload · February 2016

I don't know about the tooltips, but damage was definitely going up in my PTS tests. Here's what I wrote down with one spell, I think it was Elemental Fury:

Critical Damage with 0 CP = 3500
Critical Damage with 100 CP into Spell Erosion = 4161
Critical Damage with 100 CP into Elfborn = 4322
Critical Damage with 100 CP into Elemental Expert = 4631

Asayre · February 2016

@danno8, Radiant destruction is also a DoT so yup both stars will increase damage.