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Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
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Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
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Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
yep while shields remains untouched
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All players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
yep while shields remains untouched
and increase physical resistance negating itEdited by smacx250 on February 5, 2016 1:08AM1 -
Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
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All players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
yep while shields remains untouched
and increase physical resistance negating it
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭
Wasn't talking about fair - was talking about how shields have not gone untouched. I also forgot to add that they made shields affected by DoTs.
All players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
yep while shields remains untouched
and increase physical resistance negating it
let us crit shields and remove that and then it's fair0 -
Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
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Wasn't talking about fair - was talking about how shields have not gone untouched. I also forgot to add that they made shields affected by DoTs.
All players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
yep while shields remains untouched
and increase physical resistance negating it
let us crit shields and remove that and then it's fair
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All players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
yep while shields remains untouched
and increase physical resistance negating it
Or or they can wear Five light and a heavy Chest and Legs and buff the Physical resistance while sitting behind shields getting both. Why would you think that if the buffed Physical resistance they wouldn't be able to use shield you can and should do both.
I know I will and I was a Stamblade since Beta but this nerf is the last straw I was a Nightblade when the class was bugged to hell and a Stamina when that was a joke but enough is enough. FOTM time for me why try to do your thing @ZOS_RichLambert will just *** on it.
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭MrGigglypants wrote: »there is a cp tree for doing more dmg to shields
pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesWhy do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.
you can takie this minor protection on 5 sec ito ass, 8% dmg reduction isnt bad...but for max 5 sec its also so useless...I will prefer then this 100% crit than this very short and not much high buffleepalmer95 wrote: »
Nb's have heals, vigor/rally, healing ward/entire resto and siphon tree.
Spamming funnel will outset and dmg dot's do.
Most dots will last for 10~ , a cloak is literally going to cut the dot dmg by 30%.
Nb's use cloak because it resets a fight, makes things miss and forces people to stop the high dps ability and use some type of aoe.
Why are nb's so mad that they have to slot purge like every other class in the game now.
gg to spam heal based on magica, speedmg being on stamina build lol, nb hasn't any class heal on stamina with spamming perma cloak with *** magica regen like magica build can lol]
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...
#2. pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesAll players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
psyhical resist will be more to see it on magica builds, now stamina build can good burst with not much survivability (except dk
) and in this patch....stamina burst will get much hurt with no any changes to survivability...and some nerfs with this.
magica build have so much spell resist from armor, nirne while they lack with armor, so then they dont need to take in P much point into slementa, magic dmg def and gat more, also close to max points into psychical resist + crit resaist what will much hurt stamina burst without much survivability like this is on magica builds.
I dont see here any good nerf for dmg shield like more nerfed stamina
main weapon on stamina is good burst....burst which is slowly disappears, now sorcs will have very much burst than stamina thanks element and magic dmg in 1 passive CP, high dmg from destro, class skills, overloa....+ insta proc crystal frags with stun, gg now, now on nb you can hit normally max to 10k from SA and cryst frag also...after patch I see max 8k hit for SA and cryst frags for 12k+, + better dmg hits from ther skills, curse, mines, destro, all at once when stamina getting lack in this moment thanks additional psyhical resist which will be base def in cp for magica buildsEdited by Edziu on February 5, 2016 6:10AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MrGigglypants wrote: »there is a cp tree for doing more dmg to shields
pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesWhy do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.
you can takie this minor protection on 5 sec ito ass, 8% dmg reduction isnt bad...but for max 5 sec its also so useless...I will prefer then this 100% crit than this very short and not much high buffleepalmer95 wrote: »
Nb's have heals, vigor/rally, healing ward/entire resto and siphon tree.
Spamming funnel will outset and dmg dot's do.
Most dots will last for 10~ , a cloak is literally going to cut the dot dmg by 30%.
Nb's use cloak because it resets a fight, makes things miss and forces people to stop the high dps ability and use some type of aoe.
Why are nb's so mad that they have to slot purge like every other class in the game now.
gg to spam heal based on magica, speedmg being on stamina build lol, nb hasn't any class heal on stamina with spamming perma cloak with *** magica regen like magica build can lol]
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...
#2. pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesAll players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
psyhical resist will be more to see it on magica builds, now stamina build can good burst with not much survivability (except dk ) and in this patch....stamina burst will get much hurt with no any changes to survivability...and some nerfs with this.
magica build have so much spell resist from armor, nirne while they lack with armor, so then they dont need to take in P much point into slementa, magic dmg def and gat more, also close to max points into psychical resist + crit resaist what will much hurt stamina burst without much survivability like this is on magica builds.
I dont see here any good nerf for dmg shield like more nerfed stamina
main weapon on stamina is good burst....burst which is slowly disappears, now sorcs will have very much burst than stamina thanks element and magic dmg in 1 passive CP, high dmg from destro, class skills, overloa....+ insta proc crystal frags with stun, gg now, now on nb you can hit normally max to 10k from SA and cryst frag also...after patch I see max 8k hit for SA and cryst frags for 12k+, + better dmg hits from ther skills, curse, mines, destro, all at once when stamina getting lack in this moment thanks additional psyhical resist which will be base def in cp for magica builds
1. Any decent stam nb has over 1k mag regen.
2. Believe it or not nb's aren't the only class without a stam heal, no other class has a stam heal either and they all had to deal with dots before this update. They've all survived, well most of them. Just adjust and stop crying because nb's don't get a free purge with their OP defensive skill anymore.
3. 2.9s cloak = 33% dmg lost from most dots as thats how long they work. 1 cloak drops a dot dps by a third, 2 cloak by 66%. Stop crying already.
4. Why was is ok for stam build to reduce magicka dmg but now it's suddenly op that mag build can reduce physical dmg? Thats called balance.
5. Oh no, your instead 10k SA which can be weaved with a HA, now does less dmg than a frag which take son average 3 other skill used to proc it, which is ranged, which is easily dodgeable/reflect?
5. You know stam nb's have more survivability than dk's right?Edited by leepalmer95 on February 5, 2016 6:21AMPS4 EU DC
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »1. Any decent stam nb has over 1k mag regen.
2. Believe it or not nb's aren't the only class without a stam heal, no other class has a stam heal either and they all had to deal with dots before this update. They've all survived, well most of them. Just adjust and stop crying because nb's don't get a free purge with their OP defensive skill anymore.
3. 2.9s cloak = 33% dmg lost from most dots as thats how long they work. 1 cloak drops a dot dps by a third, 2 cloak by 66%. Stop crying already.
4. Why was is ok for stam build to reduce magicka dmg but now it's suddenly op that mag build can reduce physical dmg? Thats called balance.
5. Oh no, your instead 10k SA which can be weaved with a HA, now does less dmg than a frag which take son average 3 other skill used to proc it, which is ranged, which is easily dodgeable/reflect?
5. You know stam nb's have more survivability than dk's right?
so here is problem...for 10k SA dmg iI just dont have mag reg over 600, cant spam cloak, most dk are with shield and thank it they have better survivability and just thank class skills
other thing, I other NB stamina with survivability...thei hits was be maybe 6-7k nor now comparing to me and most others nb...not much survivability but possible 10k hits...so this is also balanse...better dmg les survivability, more survivability, less dmg
and just look, sorc now can have max dmg on elemental and magic dmg, very good for burst, nb...nah, stamina builds now losing thei burst in cp and for stmaina builds....ultis are so so bad, magic dmg what is in magic tree...
for example: just flawles dawnbreaker, morph for stamina builds, ok, 8% buff to weapon dmg but...but thanks magic dmg this ulti for me is one of the worst ultis to use against non daedres/undeads when 2nd morph for magica builds dealing big dmg
death stroke ulti still magic dmg, 1 morph incapacitating strike with no problem can dealing psychical dmg because this morph is more on stam builds aaaand PSYHICAL REDUCTION IN CP you have so this ulti still cant 1hit you on magica build but finally can do better dmg than main dps skillEdited by Edziu on February 5, 2016 9:12AM2 -
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✭✭✭this change was so incredibly necessary
you will soon see that cloak isn't the problem what makes NB OP. just wait and see you will be back complaining about NB. because the broken mechanics aren't fixed yet.
well at least magicka sorc is getting more overpowered now so we have that, maybe they get of the nerfnb train then.
Yeah. Most people crying over NB's was crying over stamina NB's who are animation cancelling and dealing massive damage even out of cloak. But he... it's a NB so it must be cloak because one got away with cloaking.
No... Stamblades will still be in stealth and one-two shot you from it. The "nerf" does nothing. As cloak was never the issue.
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Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »MrGigglypants wrote: »there is a cp tree for doing more dmg to shields
pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesWhy do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.
you can takie this minor protection on 5 sec ito ass, 8% dmg reduction isnt bad...but for max 5 sec its also so useless...I will prefer then this 100% crit than this very short and not much high buffleepalmer95 wrote: »
Nb's have heals, vigor/rally, healing ward/entire resto and siphon tree.
Spamming funnel will outset and dmg dot's do.
Most dots will last for 10~ , a cloak is literally going to cut the dot dmg by 30%.
Nb's use cloak because it resets a fight, makes things miss and forces people to stop the high dps ability and use some type of aoe.
Why are nb's so mad that they have to slot purge like every other class in the game now.
gg to spam heal based on magica, speedmg being on stamina build lol, nb hasn't any class heal on stamina with spamming perma cloak with *** magica regen like magica build can lol]
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...
#2. pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesAll players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
psyhical resist will be more to see it on magica builds, now stamina build can good burst with not much survivability (except dk ) and in this patch....stamina burst will get much hurt with no any changes to survivability...and some nerfs with this.
magica build have so much spell resist from armor, nirne while they lack with armor, so then they dont need to take in P much point into slementa, magic dmg def and gat more, also close to max points into psychical resist + crit resaist what will much hurt stamina burst without much survivability like this is on magica builds.
I dont see here any good nerf for dmg shield like more nerfed stamina
main weapon on stamina is good burst....burst which is slowly disappears, now sorcs will have very much burst than stamina thanks element and magic dmg in 1 passive CP, high dmg from destro, class skills, overloa....+ insta proc crystal frags with stun, gg now, now on nb you can hit normally max to 10k from SA and cryst frag also...after patch I see max 8k hit for SA and cryst frags for 12k+, + better dmg hits from ther skills, curse, mines, destro, all at once when stamina getting lack in this moment thanks additional psyhical resist which will be base def in cp for magica builds
1. Any decent stam nb has over 1k mag regen.
2. Believe it or not nb's aren't the only class without a stam heal, no other class has a stam heal either and they all had to deal with dots before this update. They've all survived, well most of them. Just adjust and stop crying because nb's don't get a free purge with their OP defensive skill anymore.
3. 2.9s cloak = 33% dmg lost from most dots as thats how long they work. 1 cloak drops a dot dps by a third, 2 cloak by 66%. Stop crying already.
4. Why was is ok for stam build to reduce magicka dmg but now it's suddenly op that mag build can reduce physical dmg? Thats called balance.
5. Oh no, your instead 10k SA which can be weaved with a HA, now does less dmg than a frag which take son average 3 other skill used to proc it, which is ranged, which is easily dodgeable/reflect?
5. You know stam nb's have more survivability than dk's right?
on point 4 i have to respond though. you are aware that any stam build needs to spread there offensive cp more then a magicka build does. that's why it was balanced when there was no cp in physical resist + the fact most magicka users have shield which you can't crit affecting stam builds even more because they don't have this + the fact it's easyer to get a higher "normal"crit ratio then spell crit. which are calculated in the dps.1 -
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✭✭BTW did anyone test Scorching flare. Is it a death sentence now for the annoying cloakers? It was changed to work against invisible targets too. And if the NB cannot go invisible again and eat the big DoT, that will be delicious.Because I can!0 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »MrGigglypants wrote: »there is a cp tree for doing more dmg to shields
pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesWhy do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.
you can takie this minor protection on 5 sec ito ass, 8% dmg reduction isnt bad...but for max 5 sec its also so useless...I will prefer then this 100% crit than this very short and not much high buffleepalmer95 wrote: »
Nb's have heals, vigor/rally, healing ward/entire resto and siphon tree.
Spamming funnel will outset and dmg dot's do.
Most dots will last for 10~ , a cloak is literally going to cut the dot dmg by 30%.
Nb's use cloak because it resets a fight, makes things miss and forces people to stop the high dps ability and use some type of aoe.
Why are nb's so mad that they have to slot purge like every other class in the game now.
gg to spam heal based on magica, speedmg being on stamina build lol, nb hasn't any class heal on stamina with spamming perma cloak with *** magica regen like magica build can lol]
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...
#2. pretty useless at this moment with cp cap...its = mighty but only for shields wat is only on sorcs...%, and rarely max to 10% I thnig it be good to use it...more will be so waste with max dmg to other classesAll players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
psyhical resist will be more to see it on magica builds, now stamina build can good burst with not much survivability (except dk ) and in this patch....stamina burst will get much hurt with no any changes to survivability...and some nerfs with this.
magica build have so much spell resist from armor, nirne while they lack with armor, so then they dont need to take in P much point into slementa, magic dmg def and gat more, also close to max points into psychical resist + crit resaist what will much hurt stamina burst without much survivability like this is on magica builds.
I dont see here any good nerf for dmg shield like more nerfed stamina
main weapon on stamina is good burst....burst which is slowly disappears, now sorcs will have very much burst than stamina thanks element and magic dmg in 1 passive CP, high dmg from destro, class skills, overloa....+ insta proc crystal frags with stun, gg now, now on nb you can hit normally max to 10k from SA and cryst frag also...after patch I see max 8k hit for SA and cryst frags for 12k+, + better dmg hits from ther skills, curse, mines, destro, all at once when stamina getting lack in this moment thanks additional psyhical resist which will be base def in cp for magica builds
1. Any decent stam nb has over 1k mag regen.
2. Believe it or not nb's aren't the only class without a stam heal, no other class has a stam heal either and they all had to deal with dots before this update. They've all survived, well most of them. Just adjust and stop crying because nb's don't get a free purge with their OP defensive skill anymore.
3. 2.9s cloak = 33% dmg lost from most dots as thats how long they work. 1 cloak drops a dot dps by a third, 2 cloak by 66%. Stop crying already.
4. Why was is ok for stam build to reduce magicka dmg but now it's suddenly op that mag build can reduce physical dmg? Thats called balance.
5. Oh no, your instead 10k SA which can be weaved with a HA, now does less dmg than a frag which take son average 3 other skill used to proc it, which is ranged, which is easily dodgeable/reflect?
5. You know stam nb's have more survivability than dk's right?
1. I have 1200~ Recovery with 12k magic and my DPS takes a big hit for that just so I can use Mark, Mirage, Dark Shades (not the teleportation one) and have enough magic to cloak two or three times hopefully. At full magic with 2 light and CP magic cost reductions I normally have enough magic for three cloaks more if I don't use my class utilities all of that just to use magic utilities in a fight and have my class escape be on the table.
2. But we do lack a Dragon's Blood say what you want the 16% of missing health gaven as a heal (in Cyrodiil) insteadly is still good.
No Honor The Dead returning 60% of the cost of the heal over 8 seconds if I use it when below 75% that's a great heal for Stamina Templar plus purify a large AoE HoT that purges negative affects not just DoTs and if you use it first Honor The Dead will be stronger.
No Surge that heals on Crit damage a Stamina Lighting Form and Bolt good luck catching my stamina Sorc to kill him I just bolt twice and roll with my bow and speed off that's an escape turn invisible next to you and getting popped out with an ole AoE is not escaping.
No one has class stamina heals but they all have damn good opportunity.
3. Once again only if the cloak last the whole time meaning that person is not running inner light, Det potions or an AoE and please tell how AoE are only to fight Cloakers like you single fight zergs hell out of here with that.
4. This is a fair point on balance you have this one.
5. One class can reflect and one weapon granted I run One hand and shield the offense sucks great debuffs but I use it to go defensive only it's not bad on its own just when compared to the other three stamina weapons.
6. Then which DKs Shield stackers or the guy in full heavy with Wrecking Blow that hit you with 18k heavy attack and ignore 100% of your armor.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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✭✭✭✭Wait wasn't it buffed? Im sure it was Shadow Cloak for example now not only supresses the damage to absolute 0 but gives you 100% critical as well.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on February 5, 2016 5:05PM0 -
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Wasn't talking about fair - was talking about how shields have not gone untouched. I also forgot to add that they made shields affected by DoTs.
All players have the opportunity to increase physical resistance, so no, shield users are comparatively at an additional disadvantage. Not only that, but the shield damage star applies to magika damage done to shield users, as well. This is a shield "nerf".
Well, they did add a CP star dedicated to increasing the damage to shield users...MrGigglypants wrote: »they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)
The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.
Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.
yep while shields remains untouched
and increase physical resistance negating it
let us crit shields and remove that and then it's fair
With the 501 champion point cap it will be hard to find points for the shield damaging star. You get better results from increasing damage that effects everything - Mighty, Elemental Expert, etc.1 -
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✭✭The stamnb hate is real. People assuming cloak will still keep you safe from dots seel to forget how easy it is to break it with aoe/pots, and the new change to magelight.
A stam nb wont be able to use purge + cloak , while using fear for cc, shadowy image to kite while keeping buffs like relentless focus up. No way unless you're geared for alot of mana reg while using drinks.
and IF you do run drinks, sooner Or later you'll eat that meteor/dawnbreaker/proxy which takes more than half your HP while having major defile on you, aoes breaking cloak and limited dodgerolls since roll got a increased cost. Oh and GL letting vigor heal you over time from the burst damage.
QQ over, I'll adapt but imo stam nb got a bit overnerfed. Enjoy My NB tears
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✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »The stamnb hate is real. People assuming cloak will still keep you safe from dots seel to forget how easy it is to break it with aoe/pots, and the new change to magelight.
A stam nb wont be able to use purge + cloak , while using fear for cc, shadowy image to kite while keeping buffs like relentless focus up. No way unless you're geared for alot of mana reg while using drinks.
and IF you do run drinks, sooner Or later you'll eat that meteor/dawnbreaker/proxy which takes more than half your HP while having major defile on you, aoes breaking cloak and limited dodgerolls since roll got a increased cost. Oh and GL letting vigor heal you over time from the burst damage.
QQ over, I'll adapt but imo stam nb got a bit overnerfed. Enjoy My NB tears
Stam nb never got nerfed though.
Every other stam build has to run a purge for dots, every other stam build has other uses for it's magicka as well.
Nb's were the only class that could just ignore dots. Now that they can't it's the end of the world?
Also major defile from a meteor/proxy/dawnbreaker? What? Any ult does high dmg and not just to stam nb's.
Give me a good reason why stam nb's are suddenly bad?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭is this serious? the pugative effect will only last as long as the cloak now and DOTs will resume?
*shakes head*
Done here.
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »The stamnb hate is real. People assuming cloak will still keep you safe from dots seel to forget how easy it is to break it with aoe/pots, and the new change to magelight.
A stam nb wont be able to use purge + cloak , while using fear for cc, shadowy image to kite while keeping buffs like relentless focus up. No way unless you're geared for alot of mana reg while using drinks.
and IF you do run drinks, sooner Or later you'll eat that meteor/dawnbreaker/proxy which takes more than half your HP while having major defile on you, aoes breaking cloak and limited dodgerolls since roll got a increased cost. Oh and GL letting vigor heal you over time from the burst damage.
QQ over, I'll adapt but imo stam nb got a bit overnerfed. Enjoy My NB tears
Stam nb never got nerfed though.
Every other stam build has to run a purge for dots, every other stam build has other uses for it's magicka as well.
Nb's were the only class that could just ignore dots. Now that they can't it's the end of the world?
Also major defile from a meteor/proxy/dawnbreaker? What? Any ult does high dmg and not just to stam nb's.
Give me a good reason why stam nb's are suddenly bad?
First of all learn to read. I wrote WHILE having major defile on you. Never did I state those skills/ulties I mentioned gives major defile lol.
Two: I didn't say dots alone would kill me. I said burst damage will.
Third: My biggest issue is the MAGELIGHT changes which was ridicilous and the biggest nerf to cloak/stealth gameplay.
Fourth: Didn't say it was the end, but with this patch it will be elder magicka online, stamina builds will have nothing on a proper magicka build.
Since you clearly didn't read My post, knock yourself out
Edit: stam nb didn't get nerfed?
Cloak nerf, magelight change, reduced physicsl damage. Are you deludional??
Please IF you play on EU and have a stamina nb in this upcoming patch, you Can show me how strong stamnb will be vs My sorc Or magicka dk/nb.Edited by Master_Kas on February 5, 2016 10:43PMEU | PC2 -
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✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »is this serious? the pugative effect will only last as long as the cloak now and DOTs will resume?
*shakes head*
Done here.
Cloak countering dots, a damage type a whole class was heavily focused around, kind of made the skill insanely powerful.0 -
NateAssassin✭✭✭✭✭You want some cheese with that whine OP?AD | Malaya the Mystic ─ VR16 Khajiit Sorc | Shal'ina the Swift ─ VR16 Khajiit NB | Jòhn Cena ─ VR1 Khajiit NB | Priestess Shaari ─ VR1 Temp0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »The stamnb hate is real. People assuming cloak will still keep you safe from dots seel to forget how easy it is to break it with aoe/pots, and the new change to magelight.
A stam nb wont be able to use purge + cloak , while using fear for cc, shadowy image to kite while keeping buffs like relentless focus up. No way unless you're geared for alot of mana reg while using drinks.
and IF you do run drinks, sooner Or later you'll eat that meteor/dawnbreaker/proxy which takes more than half your HP while having major defile on you, aoes breaking cloak and limited dodgerolls since roll got a increased cost. Oh and GL letting vigor heal you over time from the burst damage.
QQ over, I'll adapt but imo stam nb got a bit overnerfed. Enjoy My NB tears
Stam nb never got nerfed though.
Every other stam build has to run a purge for dots, every other stam build has other uses for it's magicka as well.
Nb's were the only class that could just ignore dots. Now that they can't it's the end of the world?
Also major defile from a meteor/proxy/dawnbreaker? What? Any ult does high dmg and not just to stam nb's.
Give me a good reason why stam nb's are suddenly bad?
First of all learn to read. I wrote WHILE having major defile on you.
Two: I didn't say dots alone would kill me. I said burst damage will.
Thord: My biggest issue is the MAGELIGHT changes which was ridicilous and the biggest nerf to cloak/stealthplay.
Since you clearly didn't read My post, knock yourself out
So your complaing stam nb's the top of the burst dps will die to burst dps?
It's not like stam nb's need to cloak for a long time? 1 cloak to dodge some attack then out of stealth with a SA to stun and continue.
8m isn't a large radius, have you actually tested it yet? With the medium armour passive 8m becomes like 5m. Meaning you'll have to literally be next to them for them to find you. So you won't be able to just cloak when there about hit you with a skill when there 1m away from you, which is right.
Your acting like 5s is such a long time, if you can't cloak, dodge roll and stun them or something and the 5s will be gone.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭Magelight? Are ppl rlly gonna cram that on 1 of their 5 skill slots in order to lose utility and fight only 1 class in Cyrodiil?
I think that change was more directed at the PvEers in IC: they now have a nightlight to protect them from the evil gankers"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »The stamnb hate is real. People assuming cloak will still keep you safe from dots seel to forget how easy it is to break it with aoe/pots, and the new change to magelight.
A stam nb wont be able to use purge + cloak , while using fear for cc, shadowy image to kite while keeping buffs like relentless focus up. No way unless you're geared for alot of mana reg while using drinks.
and IF you do run drinks, sooner Or later you'll eat that meteor/dawnbreaker/proxy which takes more than half your HP while having major defile on you, aoes breaking cloak and limited dodgerolls since roll got a increased cost. Oh and GL letting vigor heal you over time from the burst damage.
QQ over, I'll adapt but imo stam nb got a bit overnerfed. Enjoy My NB tears
Stam nb never got nerfed though.
Every other stam build has to run a purge for dots, every other stam build has other uses for it's magicka as well.
Nb's were the only class that could just ignore dots. Now that they can't it's the end of the world?
Also major defile from a meteor/proxy/dawnbreaker? What? Any ult does high dmg and not just to stam nb's.
Give me a good reason why stam nb's are suddenly bad?
First of all learn to read. I wrote WHILE having major defile on you.
Two: I didn't say dots alone would kill me. I said burst damage will.
Thord: My biggest issue is the MAGELIGHT changes which was ridicilous and the biggest nerf to cloak/stealthplay.
Since you clearly didn't read My post, knock yourself out
So your complaing stam nb's the top of the burst dps will die to burst dps?
It's not like stam nb's need to cloak for a long time? 1 cloak to dodge some attack then out of stealth with a SA to stun and continue.
8m isn't a large radius, have you actually tested it yet? With the medium armour passive 8m becomes like 5m. Meaning you'll have to literally be next to them for them to find you. So you won't be able to just cloak when there about hit you with a skill when there 1m away from you, which is right.
Your acting like 5s is such a long time, if you can't cloak, dodge roll and stun them or something and the 5s will be gone.
Keep cherrypicking pieces of My post. If you really think the meta isn't shifting back to magicka again I dont know what to tell you.
I recognize your name from several nerf nb/cloak topics and I know just how hateful you are towards IT. Meaning I'll not get a non biased discussion with you.
Magicka builds will rule , that doesn't mean stamina is dead. Just subpar. And I'm off to sleep.
Keep preaching around with biased post while disgusing It as balance. You're not fooling me lad. Xoxo EU | PC1 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭I know it has trully f***ed my stam-NB, seeing as how literally the only thing I used cloak for was the purge, and very rarely, to avoid a fight I didn't want to get into.
I might have to reroll magicka with him.3