Rofl at the Vicious Death Set..

Ishammael · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

Ghost-Shot · February 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

If you really want a serious zerg buster you might as well drop that kags for julianos, sustain will be *** but ALL the things will melt around you.

Rylana · February 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

I might keep my Nereneth, that lich crystal + a deathbomb might make for hysterical effect as well.

Leap + Det + Lich Crystal + Someone dies, chain reaction, BATS IMPULSE, DRAW ESSENCE, MORE BATS, MRE LEAP, MORE DEATHS, MWA HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA

Lexxypwns · February 2016

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

After thinking about this set, I'd be fine with it under the following conditions:

1. When wearing 5pc, player has a bright fire animation around him. This will help players avoid.
2. Cooldown after effect procs.

Till then its worse than "shield breaker is vs shields" in providing a balance to fighting large groups.

Just don't ball up and the bigger group still gets a gross numbers advantage and totally mitigates the 5th piece of this set. It just means EVERYONE needs to focus on self sustain and preservation, even in a big group, because if you're not keeping yourself alive you're a liability now. It removes the value of cannon-fodder from the game, can hide an "elite small man team" in 20 pugs anymore or you risk death.
I think this is the single greatest set I've seen, because the counterplay to it is something available to everyone, stop stacking. I've run in guilds that stack, Hijinx, IR, Shortbus, VE, etc. I understand the reason it is currently most beneficial is because it allows you to focus on specific roles, min-max for those roles and use the close proximity to suck up buffs and heals from each other, as well as that AoE cap RNG being a crutch. This gives players a reason to unstack, which, in theory, could help server performance and let us have fun pvp. Ultimately, the only thing that should be looked at is the radius, nearby isn't nearly a good enough description for me to be comfortable.

I can agree to this viewpoint.

I'm just highlighting that the community's request to deal with this issue was to provide ways to burst a group that won't overpower one playstyle over the other (if AOE caps are to remain.). We all agreed shieldbteaker was a lazy attempt to combat shield stack, I feel the same for this set.

But if the friendly fire side is true, then I'm OK with this set. It means most won't run it all the time (since it means your death too.)

I'll still absolutely run this set 100% of the time, even if it is friendly fire, you bomb 2 enemy groups with this set and you're gonna be able to die, go get a beer (or light your lighter in the mic if you're on xbox -.-), and let the AP flow.

I do agree that the friendly fire aspect will drastically reduce its use in general, but you can bet a tons of people will just switch to ranged magika DPS where they can, I could see Inevitable Det being the new meta if that's the case

Ishammael · February 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

I might keep my Nereneth, that lich crystal + a deathbomb might make for hysterical effect as well.

Yes, but I like Meteors. The Valkyn proc + mage guild ultimate + prox + talons = DEATH BY FIRE

Ghostbane · February 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

Well there you go, you are a standard playa

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

If you really want a serious zerg buster you might as well drop that kags for julianos, sustain will be *** but ALL the things will melt around you.

Need mah Kags to res @Ishammael

Ishammael · February 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

Well there you ***, you are a standard playa

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

If you really want a serious zerg buster you might as well drop that kags for julianos, sustain will be *** but ALL the things will melt around you.

Need mah Kags to res @Ishammael

@Ghostbane , number 1 AFK sorc NA.

Lexxypwns · February 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

I might keep my Nereneth, that lich crystal + a deathbomb might make for hysterical effect as well.

Yes, but I like Meteors. The Valkyn proc + mage guild ultimate + prox + talons = DEATH BY FIRE

Is valkyn really back though? I haven't had time to test it properly yet, if it is I'm pretty sure a single DK can wipe infinity pugs in a breech now

Eruption, wall of element, engulfing, talons, meteor(or banner if you prefer), det, skoria meteors everywhere + vicious death?

Ishammael · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

I might keep my Nereneth, that lich crystal + a deathbomb might make for hysterical effect as well.

Yes, but I like Meteors. The Valkyn proc + mage guild ultimate + prox + talons = DEATH BY FIRE

Is valkyn really back though? I haven't had time to test it properly yet, if it is I'm pretty sure a single DK can wipe infinity pugs in a breech now

Eruption, wall of element, engulfing, talons, meteor(or banner if you prefer), det, skoria meteors everywhere + vicious death?

Valkyn is back. There is an internal cooldown, though. Not quite as good as it used to be. But its more reliable damage than Nerien'eth b/c it targets players.

Yes -- breach defense will consist of a single DK standing in a shifting Standard: Eruption, talons, Drawn Essence, Shattering Rocks. Oh yeah: spamming burning embers for huge heals.

Lexxypwns · February 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

I might keep my Nereneth, that lich crystal + a deathbomb might make for hysterical effect as well.

Yes, but I like Meteors. The Valkyn proc + mage guild ultimate + prox + talons = DEATH BY FIRE

Is valkyn really back though? I haven't had time to test it properly yet, if it is I'm pretty sure a single DK can wipe infinity pugs in a breech now

Eruption, wall of element, engulfing, talons, meteor(or banner if you prefer), det, skoria meteors everywhere + vicious death?

Valkyn is back. There is an internal cooldown, though. Not quite as good as it used to be. But its more reliable damage than Nerien'eth b/c it targets players.

Yes -- breach defense will consist of a single DK standing in a shifting Standard: Eruption, talons, Drawn Essence, Shattering Rocks. Oh yeah: spamming burning embers for huge heals.

Already started my reroll

"And ye shall look upon him and know pain, for he is Nuclear Nut Punch"

Ishammael · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

I might keep my Nereneth, that lich crystal + a deathbomb might make for hysterical effect as well.

Yes, but I like Meteors. The Valkyn proc + mage guild ultimate + prox + talons = DEATH BY FIRE

Is valkyn really back though? I haven't had time to test it properly yet, if it is I'm pretty sure a single DK can wipe infinity pugs in a breech now

Eruption, wall of element, engulfing, talons, meteor(or banner if you prefer), det, skoria meteors everywhere + vicious death?

Valkyn is back. There is an internal cooldown, though. Not quite as good as it used to be. But its more reliable damage than Nerien'eth b/c it targets players.

Yes -- breach defense will consist of a single DK standing in a shifting Standard: Eruption, talons, Drawn Essence, Shattering Rocks. Oh yeah: spamming burning embers for huge heals.

Already started my reroll

"And ye shall look upon him and know pain, for he is Nuclear Nut Punch"

I actually forgot: Magma Shell is basically god mode for 10.5 seconds against those really big zergs.

Lexxypwns · February 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I know this is off-topic, but thank you guys so much for making Magika DK relevant again, its by far my favorite class to play and I'm more excited for thieves guild update than I've been about ESO since launch

Rylana · February 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

I.... actually like this plan. You sir, are evil as hell.

2 kena 5 alchemist 5 death?

Also, I can't wait to turn my sorc into an overload bot, shoot a few zerglings from range and watch the joy!

For pure burst, this (using DW).

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

I might keep my Nereneth, that lich crystal + a deathbomb might make for hysterical effect as well.

Yes, but I like Meteors. The Valkyn proc + mage guild ultimate + prox + talons = DEATH BY FIRE

Is valkyn really back though? I haven't had time to test it properly yet, if it is I'm pretty sure a single DK can wipe infinity pugs in a breech now

Eruption, wall of element, engulfing, talons, meteor(or banner if you prefer), det, skoria meteors everywhere + vicious death?

Valkyn is back. There is an internal cooldown, though. Not quite as good as it used to be. But its more reliable damage than Nerien'eth b/c it targets players.

Yes -- breach defense will consist of a single DK standing in a shifting Standard: Eruption, talons, Drawn Essence, Shattering Rocks. Oh yeah: spamming burning embers for huge heals.

Already started my reroll

"And ye shall look upon him and know pain, for he is Nuclear Nut Punch"

I actually forgot: Magma Shell is basically god mode for 10.5 seconds against those really big zergs.

Aaaaaaand people no longer have to synergize for the shield. Magma shell is going to be extremely popular now. I can see it already, unkillable balls of death marching the field, with wings, flames, and bubbles of protection, dropping the bomb.

Prepare thy ***, stamblades, your day has come.

Sharkano · February 2016

Two questions: (1) Does this set work on mobs, or only players? (I know what tooltip says -- just wondered if anyone tested): and (2) how do you get it? Thanks!

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

My friend keeps getting killed by his OWN VC set. In a duel he will win and then HE takes damage and dies after. Something odd is making it happen. Will find out so i can abuse it on launch.

are you saying the set has friendly fire?

ALAHU AHKBAR!

Woah woah woah

Friendly fire?!

Trolled by ZoS, bigtime.

I think friendly fire would be a good thing for MMO pvp for once.

Rylana · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I know this is off-topic, but thank you guys so much for making Magika DK relevant again, its by far my favorite class to play and I'm more excited for thieves guild update than I've been about ESO since launch

Agreed. Magicka DK was my first serious class, my main character was my original magicka DK, and its going to be a blast to usher in the great return of Rylana Dionysis to magicka glory.

The time has come. The character has been a Colonel since 1.5, hasnt been played at all for almost a year. Glorious days ahead.

Alucardo · February 2016

This could be the potential middle finger to AOE caps. Picture this, your 4 man Vicious Death group zerg bomb a full party, but there's a few survivors who didn't take the full blast - all the victims of the zerg bomb explode and kill those trying to flee from the scene.
I really have to see this set in action xD

Wollust · February 2016

I really hope ZoS sticks to it and let's us test it on live. Seems to be a good way to get people to spread out.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · February 2016

My (ranged, magicka) Sorceress is going to have fun with this I think. Especially since if the screens of the new Monster Helm vendor are anything to go by, we'll be able to buy the pieces there too...anyone know how often that vendor shows up/switches out?

laksikus · February 2016

did anyone see juwelry of that set already?
i looked at all my reward mails and only got all those new ava sets as armor and weapons, no juwelry

Soulac · February 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

5 Death, 4 Magnus 3 will?
5 Kags 4 Death, 3 will?

2 kena, 5 Death, 5 Kags

If you really want a serious zerg buster you might as well drop that kags for julianos, sustain will be *** but ALL the things will melt around you.

2x Kena 5x Potion 600 Spelldmg Set 5x Allah Akbar

This will melt.

Zheg · February 2016

Set seems dumb to me, guess I don't agree with the bandwagon on this one. The damage flying around is already sky-high, even with the new prox det numbers by themselves. And what happens when the fall damage 'fix' ends up being like the last 3+ fixes and it's still happening in game? With unreflectable meteors that potentially oneshot people, plus this set doing 14k damage? Maybe if it wasn't ZOS in charge of coding and balance this set could be a viable experiment, but any of the (very likely) problems that emerge from this set won't get fixed for months. Even if I'm the one behind the damage numbers, 1 and 2-shotting things is not healthy pvp; wrobel and wheeler need to pull their heads out of their ***

Moreover, sometimes you can recover from bombs if you can move out of the damage, put up mitigation or pop a reactionary barrier. That's mostly gone now, at least on paper, so the few people that did die to a stealth bomb just blew up and wiped the rest of the group that managed to stay alive and could have tried to recover. That, or the level 30 pug that is zerg surfing just helped wipe your group. I'm sure that will result in improved relations with new players

Minno · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

After thinking about this set, I'd be fine with it under the following conditions:

1. When wearing 5pc, player has a bright fire animation around him. This will help players avoid.
2. Cooldown after effect procs.

Till then its worse than "shield breaker is vs shields" in providing a balance to fighting large groups.

Just don't ball up and the bigger group still gets a gross numbers advantage and totally mitigates the 5th piece of this set. It just means EVERYONE needs to focus on self sustain and preservation, even in a big group, because if you're not keeping yourself alive you're a liability now. It removes the value of cannon-fodder from the game, can hide an "elite small man team" in 20 pugs anymore or you risk death.
I think this is the single greatest set I've seen, because the counterplay to it is something available to everyone, stop stacking. I've run in guilds that stack, Hijinx, IR, Shortbus, VE, etc. I understand the reason it is currently most beneficial is because it allows you to focus on specific roles, min-max for those roles and use the close proximity to suck up buffs and heals from each other, as well as that AoE cap RNG being a crutch. This gives players a reason to unstack, which, in theory, could help server performance and let us have fun pvp. Ultimately, the only thing that should be looked at is the radius, nearby isn't nearly a good enough description for me to be comfortable.

I can agree to this viewpoint.

I'm just highlighting that the community's request to deal with this issue was to provide ways to burst a group that won't overpower one playstyle over the other (if AOE caps are to remain.). We all agreed shieldbteaker was a lazy attempt to combat shield stack, I feel the same for this set.

But if the friendly fire side is true, then I'm OK with this set. It means most won't run it all the time (since it means your death too.)

I'll still absolutely run this set 100% of the time, even if it is friendly fire, you bomb 2 enemy groups with this set and you're gonna be able to die, go get a beer (or light your lighter in the mic if you're on xbox -.-), and let the AP flow.

I do agree that the friendly fire aspect will drastically reduce its use in general, but you can bet a tons of people will just switch to ranged magika DPS where they can, I could see Inevitable Det being the new meta if that's the case

Zheg wrote: »

Set seems dumb to me, guess I don't agree with the bandwagon on this one. The damage flying around is already sky-high, even with the new prox det numbers by themselves. And what happens when the fall damage 'fix' ends up being like the last 3+ fixes and it's still happening in game? With unreflectable meteors that potentially oneshot people, plus this set doing 14k damage? Maybe if it wasn't ZOS in charge of coding and balance this set could be a viable experiment, but any of the (very likely) problems that emerge from this set won't get fixed for months. Even if I'm the one behind the damage numbers, 1 and 2-shotting things is not healthy pvp; wrobel and wheeler need to pull their heads out of their ***

Aside from vamp dying from shooting star, you won't be one-shotted by meteor, a 200 cost ulti that can be blocked letting only 2k through and an ground AOE that you can avoid.

I think we need to accept death as a healthy effect for pvp, in both gameplay and server performance.

Zheg · February 2016

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

After thinking about this set, I'd be fine with it under the following conditions:

1. When wearing 5pc, player has a bright fire animation around him. This will help players avoid.
2. Cooldown after effect procs.

Till then its worse than "shield breaker is vs shields" in providing a balance to fighting large groups.

Just don't ball up and the bigger group still gets a gross numbers advantage and totally mitigates the 5th piece of this set. It just means EVERYONE needs to focus on self sustain and preservation, even in a big group, because if you're not keeping yourself alive you're a liability now. It removes the value of cannon-fodder from the game, can hide an "elite small man team" in 20 pugs anymore or you risk death.
I think this is the single greatest set I've seen, because the counterplay to it is something available to everyone, stop stacking. I've run in guilds that stack, Hijinx, IR, Shortbus, VE, etc. I understand the reason it is currently most beneficial is because it allows you to focus on specific roles, min-max for those roles and use the close proximity to suck up buffs and heals from each other, as well as that AoE cap RNG being a crutch. This gives players a reason to unstack, which, in theory, could help server performance and let us have fun pvp. Ultimately, the only thing that should be looked at is the radius, nearby isn't nearly a good enough description for me to be comfortable.

I can agree to this viewpoint.

I'm just highlighting that the community's request to deal with this issue was to provide ways to burst a group that won't overpower one playstyle over the other (if AOE caps are to remain.). We all agreed shieldbteaker was a lazy attempt to combat shield stack, I feel the same for this set.

But if the friendly fire side is true, then I'm OK with this set. It means most won't run it all the time (since it means your death too.)

I'll still absolutely run this set 100% of the time, even if it is friendly fire, you bomb 2 enemy groups with this set and you're gonna be able to die, go get a beer (or light your lighter in the mic if you're on xbox -.-), and let the AP flow.

I do agree that the friendly fire aspect will drastically reduce its use in general, but you can bet a tons of people will just switch to ranged magika DPS where they can, I could see Inevitable Det being the new meta if that's the case

Zheg wrote: »

Set seems dumb to me, guess I don't agree with the bandwagon on this one. The damage flying around is already sky-high, even with the new prox det numbers by themselves. And what happens when the fall damage 'fix' ends up being like the last 3+ fixes and it's still happening in game? With unreflectable meteors that potentially oneshot people, plus this set doing 14k damage? Maybe if it wasn't ZOS in charge of coding and balance this set could be a viable experiment, but any of the (very likely) problems that emerge from this set won't get fixed for months. Even if I'm the one behind the damage numbers, 1 and 2-shotting things is not healthy pvp; wrobel and wheeler need to pull their heads out of their ***

Aside from vamp dying from shooting star, you won't be one-shotted by meteor, a 200 cost ulti that can be blocked letting only 2k through and an ground AOE that you can avoid.

I think we need to accept death as a healthy effect for pvp, in both gameplay and server performance.

You missed the point. If fall damage hasn't been fixed (just like the last few times they tried, said it was, and it wasn't) and you get oneshot by meteor because of lag fall damage, when you couple that with this set, it's going to be silly, and not in a good way. Either way, even without fall damage, people are hitting over 30k dmg with just prox det on PTS. That's moronic.

Satiar · February 2016

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

After thinking about this set, I'd be fine with it under the following conditions:

1. When wearing 5pc, player has a bright fire animation around him. This will help players avoid.
2. Cooldown after effect procs.

Till then its worse than "shield breaker is vs shields" in providing a balance to fighting large groups.

Just don't ball up and the bigger group still gets a gross numbers advantage and totally mitigates the 5th piece of this set. It just means EVERYONE needs to focus on self sustain and preservation, even in a big group, because if you're not keeping yourself alive you're a liability now. It removes the value of cannon-fodder from the game, can hide an "elite small man team" in 20 pugs anymore or you risk death.
I think this is the single greatest set I've seen, because the counterplay to it is something available to everyone, stop stacking. I've run in guilds that stack, Hijinx, IR, Shortbus, VE, etc. I understand the reason it is currently most beneficial is because it allows you to focus on specific roles, min-max for those roles and use the close proximity to suck up buffs and heals from each other, as well as that AoE cap RNG being a crutch. This gives players a reason to unstack, which, in theory, could help server performance and let us have fun pvp. Ultimately, the only thing that should be looked at is the radius, nearby isn't nearly a good enough description for me to be comfortable.

I can agree to this viewpoint.

I'm just highlighting that the community's request to deal with this issue was to provide ways to burst a group that won't overpower one playstyle over the other (if AOE caps are to remain.). We all agreed shieldbteaker was a lazy attempt to combat shield stack, I feel the same for this set.

But if the friendly fire side is true, then I'm OK with this set. It means most won't run it all the time (since it means your death too.)

I'll still absolutely run this set 100% of the time, even if it is friendly fire, you bomb 2 enemy groups with this set and you're gonna be able to die, go get a beer (or light your lighter in the mic if you're on xbox -.-), and let the AP flow.

I do agree that the friendly fire aspect will drastically reduce its use in general, but you can bet a tons of people will just switch to ranged magika DPS where they can, I could see Inevitable Det being the new meta if that's the case

Zheg wrote: »

Set seems dumb to me, guess I don't agree with the bandwagon on this one. The damage flying around is already sky-high, even with the new prox det numbers by themselves. And what happens when the fall damage 'fix' ends up being like the last 3+ fixes and it's still happening in game? With unreflectable meteors that potentially oneshot people, plus this set doing 14k damage? Maybe if it wasn't ZOS in charge of coding and balance this set could be a viable experiment, but any of the (very likely) problems that emerge from this set won't get fixed for months. Even if I'm the one behind the damage numbers, 1 and 2-shotting things is not healthy pvp; wrobel and wheeler need to pull their heads out of their ***

Aside from vamp dying from shooting star, you won't be one-shotted by meteor, a 200 cost ulti that can be blocked letting only 2k through and an ground AOE that you can avoid.

I think we need to accept death as a healthy effect for pvp, in both gameplay and server performance.

Death is healthy. But we're going full AOE FPS mode.

I tested out Magica NB last night for the first time in over a year. I have V15 magica stuff and I managed to crit an 18k prox det on players on live. Put me in next patch, double that value, than get me in all yellow gear and full raid buffs/war horn, stack that with Vicious Death and than multiply that by 12-16 players. Let's add in 10 meteors for good measure.

There ain't no reacting to that. You won't mitigate that with Nova or Veil.

Fights gonna be even faster than they are on live, and TTK already insanely low. I dunno wtf Zeni is on.

Zheg · February 2016

Oh yeah, and what about all of those poor shlubs that are stuck in 3+ minute long load screens and/or crash because ZOS can't code for ***? Now they blow up their friends with 16k flame damage when most hp in pvp sits near 25k? Again, moronic. We need a working game before sets like this can be introduced imo.

Gilvoth · February 2016

i love this set, i hope this is going to stop the stupid huge zergs!

WhiteCoatSyndrome · February 2016

@laksikus:

Somebody posted a pic in the PTS with jewelry. Here:

Master_Kas · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

This could be the potential middle finger to AOE caps. Picture this, your 4 man Vicious Death group zerg bomb a full party, but there's a few survivors who didn't take the full blast - all the victims of the zerg bomb explode and kill those trying to flee from the scene.
I really have to see this set in action xD

People keep forgetting that the zerg can use this set too and has the protection of AoE caps

Ghostbane · February 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

For standard play, I will probably do this -- replacing Kena with Valkyn or BS.

Well there you ***, you are a standard playa

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

If you really want a serious zerg buster you might as well drop that kags for julianos, sustain will be *** but ALL the things will melt around you.

Need mah Kags to res @Ishammael

@Ghostbane , number 1 AFK sorc NA.

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

This could be the potential middle finger to AOE caps. Picture this, your 4 man Vicious Death group zerg bomb a full party, but there's a few survivors who didn't take the full blast - all the victims of the zerg bomb explode and kill those trying to flee from the scene.
I really have to see this set in action xD

People keep forgetting that the zerg can use this set too and has the protection of AoE caps

Has it been tested that the set has a cap?