New AvA Skill Line Requirements

Eleusian · February 2016

I agree the should make the requirement for these skills much harder. Meteor is also way to easy to get , collecting books for a couple hours to get that awesome skill is just ridiculous as well. Put 501cp requirements on everything

pretzl · February 2016

Ourorboros wrote: »

Feels a little insulting after having just spending a month or so to reach 1st Sgt. If I keep earning AP at my current rate, I'll be near rank 50 after the conversion. Whining won't help though. Instead, I'll set my sights on all those PVEers, and try to make sure it's not TOO easy for them to get their AP.

Tbh it feels just as insulting that PvPers now can BUY monster sets off a vendor. I've had to farm those sets like everyone else, but you can just run up and buy them for a currency you gain through your preferred way of playing? And gain even faster than gold, mind you.
I welcome this change, albeit I agree it's alittle ridicolous. At this rate I'll have Proxy on 2 chars whereas I've barely really played PvP. They could reduce it alittle, much like people have suggested above, but I hope this change sticks in a noticeable way - not a gutwrenching way.
Then again I'll only get the skills I need and then never go back to Cyro unless I'm REALLY bored.

This update is bringing alot of nice balance to the two sides of the game. I hope Undaunted gets nerfed too so it's easier to obtain for all you PvPers!

Skinzz · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

Enjoy our pve gear and monster sets hehe

I spent a lot of time maxing out my undaunted and i have most of the monster sets so no, i put in time for pve and pvp the old fashion way

DisgracefulMind · February 2016

Ourorboros wrote: »

Feels a little insulting after having just spending a month or so to reach 1st Sgt. If I keep earning AP at my current rate, I'll be near rank 50 after the conversion. Whining won't help though. Instead, I'll set my sights on all those PVEers, and try to make sure it's not TOO easy for them to get their AP.

The conversion will not affect PvP ranks. It only affects the Assault/Support skill line in the skill trees.

HansenPvP · February 2016

Im rank 23 Centurion Grade 1 so I would have assault 10 automatically right?

Spliffo · February 2016

Aleraon wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

Enjoy our pve gear and monster sets hehe

Enjoy our pvp gear being purchasable in guild stores along with absurdly easy to obtain skills/passives
(We can play that game to)

Sorry about the triple quote posting from phone

Aleraon · February 2016

Spliffo wrote: »

Aleraon wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

Enjoy our pve gear and monster sets hehe

Aleraon wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

Enjoy our pve gear and monster sets hehe

Aleraon wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

Enjoy our pve gear and monster sets hehe

Enjoy our pvp gear being purchasable in guild stores along with absurdly easy to obtain skills/passives
(We can play that game to)

Sorry about the triple quote posting from phone

I have done in the past but as I pvp as well as pve I also have access to my own. I find many of the pvp sets though, with the exception of maybe one or two that I've ever used, seriously lacking.

That being said though pvp players have the option to sell pvp gear that they've either got through rewards for the worthy or bought with AP, a currency they earn simply by killing other players, taking keeps etc in their preferred style of gameplay. Pve players, with the exception of crafted gear, don't have that option as most of the gear they come across is bound or bound on pick up. Also the currency pve players have access to, gold, can take a lot longer to get than the same amount in AP.

Also, with regards to skills, I have no problem with any of the in game skills being easier to get. The pvp skills can take quite a while to unlock unless you're in cyrodiil constantly, as opposed to the pve skill trees which you can level simply by having them on your bar when gaining experience either through turning in quests or whatever. Alliance ranks should remain unchanged but skills not so much. Having the skills is one thing, learning to use them effectively is another.

One of the things I wish this game had, like most other elder scrolls titles, is skill trainers that appear after you've completed the game the first time as that would certainly make levelling alts a lot easier hehe.

Frenkthevile · February 2016

Finally, was a pain to stick behind pvp Zergs only to get some decent skills for pve!

Erondil · February 2016

Keep in mind it comes along with ap per kill being doubled. So AvA skill line level 10 equates to 335k AP with current values. This is less than 8 hours of PvP for somebody who knows how to farm AP...

leepalmer95 · February 2016

So us pvpers can get mage/fighter/unduanted 10 each right with 90% reduction? Thats how this works isn't it, you take months of effort and turn it into a 1-2 day job to cater to the lazy pve casuals.

So can i start getting preset v16 to mess around with? Or make leveling skills/lines and actual levels 90% less?

Mage guild how about 1 book a rank?

Or let us buy the ranks at 10 for 50k ap a go?

Jar_Ek · February 2016

Just for info most casuals will not get anywhere near maxing this skill line in a week. Casuals are so called due to their limited time to play. So maybe 2hrs a day.
By definition these changes are to help pve players get important alliance war skills, so they won't be expert at PvP and getting alliance points. This really helps pvpers more with any and all alts.. it will still take casual pvpers a significant effort to get skills.

Mojmir · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So us pvpers can get mage/fighter/unduanted 10 each right with 90% reduction? Thats how this works isn't it, you take months of effort and turn it into a 1-2 day job to cater to the lazy pve casuals.

So can i start getting preset v16 to mess around with? Or make leveling skills/lines and actual levels 90% less?

Mage guild how about 1 book a rank?

Or let us buy the ranks at 10 for 50k ap a go?

Bro ppl Max out pve characters in a week,nowhere near as hard as pvp rank,skills,rewards

Farorin · February 2016

Why are people mad about these changes? Isn't it a good thing that we can get the skills we need easier, so that we can actually play the game how we want to play it?

Nifty2g · February 2016

The thought of everyone having prox det and battle res 2/2 and frenzy makes me cringe inside.

Who thought of this change and who thought about how good it is

Enodoc · February 2016

Farorin wrote: »

Why are people mad about these changes? Isn't it a good thing that we can get the skills we need easier, so that we can actually play the game how we want to play it?

@Farorin The issue is not solely that the skills are easier to get, it's that they are now too easy to get. I think most people support a reduction in the required AP, but many would prefer a reduction by a lesser amount.

silky_soft · February 2016

@vanzan haha here it is

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

Why are people mad about these changes? Isn't it a good thing that we can get the skills we need easier, so that we can actually play the game how we want to play it?

@Farorin The issue is not solely that the skills are easier to get, it's that they are now too easy to get. I think most people support a reduction in the required AP, but many would prefer a reduction by a lesser amount.

Yes. If people really want a reduction sure. 1000% reduction is now the answer.

20-30% reduction is fine. Vigor in 200k ap, caltraps in 400k etc... proxy det in 1.25m ap.

Not 700k to unlock alliance 10.

People are forgetting ap is getting buffed as well, more ap per kill.

blur · February 2016

pretzl wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Feels a little insulting after having just spending a month or so to reach 1st Sgt. If I keep earning AP at my current rate, I'll be near rank 50 after the conversion. Whining won't help though. Instead, I'll set my sights on all those PVEers, and try to make sure it's not TOO easy for them to get their AP.

Tbh it feels just as insulting that PvPers now can BUY monster sets off a vendor. I've had to farm those sets like everyone else, but you can just run up and buy them for a currency you gain through your preferred way of playing? And gain even faster than gold, mind you.
I welcome this change, albeit I agree it's alittle ridicolous. At this rate I'll have Proxy on 2 chars whereas I've barely really played PvP. They could reduce it alittle, much like people have suggested above, but I hope this change sticks in a noticeable way - not a gutwrenching way.
Then again I'll only get the skills I need and then never go back to Cyro unless I'm REALLY bored.

This update is bringing alot of nice balance to the two sides of the game. I hope Undaunted gets nerfed too so it's easier to obtain for all you PvPers!

Just so we are clear, PvE and PvP players will take advantage of this vendor just the same. I know tons of PvE players who have yet to get certain helms or shoulders and are tired of running the same event over and over. Just stop.
Most good PvPers have put in the same amount of hours (sometimes more) as the PvE crowd farming their sets, particularly Bloodspawn, EG, Kena, and Valk. Making the argument you made is very myopic. Also if you think PvP players are making more gold than PvE, you are misguided. A knowledgeable player through PvE can run circles around a pvper in the guild making department.

These arguments are extremely weak and marginalize important issues, please stop.

Mojmir · February 2016

blur wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Feels a little insulting after having just spending a month or so to reach 1st Sgt. If I keep earning AP at my current rate, I'll be near rank 50 after the conversion. Whining won't help though. Instead, I'll set my sights on all those PVEers, and try to make sure it's not TOO easy for them to get their AP.

Tbh it feels just as insulting that PvPers now can BUY monster sets off a vendor. I've had to farm those sets like everyone else, but you can just run up and buy them for a currency you gain through your preferred way of playing? And gain even faster than gold, mind you.
I welcome this change, albeit I agree it's alittle ridicolous. At this rate I'll have Proxy on 2 chars whereas I've barely really played PvP. They could reduce it alittle, much like people have suggested above, but I hope this change sticks in a noticeable way - not a gutwrenching way.
Then again I'll only get the skills I need and then never go back to Cyro unless I'm REALLY bored.

This update is bringing alot of nice balance to the two sides of the game. I hope Undaunted gets nerfed too so it's easier to obtain for all you PvPers!

Just so we are clear, PvE and PvP players will take advantage of this vendor just the same. I know tons of PvE players who have yet to get certain helms or shoulders and are tired of running the same event over and over. Just stop.
Most good PvPers have put in the same amount of hours (sometimes more) as the PvE crowd farming their sets, particularly Bloodspawn, EG, Kena, and Valk. Making the argument you made is very myopic. Also if you think PvP players are making more gold than PvE, you are misguided. A knowledgeable player through PvE can run circles around a pvper in the guild making department.

These arguments are extremely weak and marginalize important issues, please stop.

OMG stop!! shadow walker,ravager,mora tong set pcs made so many ppl rich in this game wtf? most of my guild are millionaires thanks to this. the well might be dry right now, but thats cause they have nothing to farm AP for.

Olivierko · February 2016

Great, now please decrease the undaunted skill line xp requirements so I can max it by doing a dungeon or two.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Olivierko wrote: »

Great, now please decrease the undaunted skill line xp requirements so I can max it by doing a dungeon or two.

and the fighters/mage guild skill line as well.

CamBam370 · February 2016

This is absolutely ridiculous.
Lets lower every skill line requirement at this rate.

kokoandshinb14a_ESO · February 2016

I like it

as it stands now, for newer players, they are at such a huge disadvantage when trying to pvp.

There are certain skills gained through alliance ranks that equate to mandatory skills and for stam characters thats at least the Vigor line.

Now cant wait to get rid of the champ point advantage in BWB too.

DaveMoeDee · February 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

Enjoy our pvp abilities now u pve'rs. Now gtfo of cyrodiil

I love this post!

And I am one of the people you are referring to! My rank 5 should get me caltrops now. Nice.

Of course, I still have to bring some alts over. Sorry about that.

Paulington · February 2016

I am glad of it. As it currently stands I actively feel punished for PvPing on a character that isn't my main because it feels like wasted AP as I still need skills. For me to get Proxy on all my VR16s would take me months and months of nothing but PvP and that's just ridiculous.

If AVA skill levels can't be account-wide, then it has to be easier to attain.

solynar · February 2016

so you're saying I only need to get 13 solo kills to get vigor...
Wow.

Can I go do 5 dungeons and get all the undaunted passives?

leepalmer95 · February 2016

solynar wrote: »

so you're saying I only need to get 13 solo kills to get vigor...
Wow.

Can I go do 5 dungeons and get all the undaunted passives?

Wow never though't of it like that....

So a mage guild level every book.
FIghters guild level every 10 mobs
Undaunted level every dungeon

Seems to be the same reduction.

Taryf · February 2016

code65536 wrote: »

@code65536
Can You update Your table consider this:

Alliance War

Assault
Increased the amount of AP required to rank up this skill line by approximately 80% compared to current PTS values.
Support
Increased the amount of AP required to rank up this skill line by approximately 80% compared to current PTS values.

CLICK!

Alucardo · February 2016

So my character in BwB already has a maxed out alliance skill line? loooooool pls fix this before it goes live

Wreuntzylla · February 2016

Farorin wrote: »

Why are people mad about these changes? Isn't it a good thing that we can get the skills we need easier, so that we can actually play the game how we want to play it?

No, of course not. Those of us who put time into grinding alliance levels deserve to stomp casuals and get that awesome feeling of accomplishment in doing so!!! I mean, what if I can no longer make videos of me stomping multiple Vet 1 players at once? The horror is real!

Socialists, all of you!