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What's the complaint over monster helms ?
D0ntevenL1ft
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The forums back 2 weeks ago: "I wish there was a token system so I can get the sets I want "
*ZOS gives easier way to get sets"
Forums after: "omggggzzzzzz I can't believe you can get a set so easy now"
Leave the sets as is this is a good change. Good job ZOS
*ZOS gives easier way to get sets"
Forums after: "omggggzzzzzz I can't believe you can get a set so easy now"
Leave the sets as is this is a good change. Good job ZOS
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Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's certainly not the best solution, but it's a good start I guess.Susano'o
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Kammakazi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They complain because it's far too easy to get now. 100k Gold or 200k AP *rolls eyes*
But if the vendor didn't exist, they'd still complain over dungeon RNG- Does it actually drop the helmet
- Does it have the desired trait
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akredon_ESO✭✭✭✭people will always find a way to complain about anything best thing is keep it moving and ignore the negativity4 -
MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭We wanted a way to get the items by actually running the content as was intended, but not with the hideous RNG that's there currently. The merchant is a lazy "fix" and the costs are way, way too low.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭They complain because it's far too easy to get now. 100k Gold or 200k AP *rolls eyes*
But if the vendor didn't exist, they'd still complain over dungeon RNG- Does it actually drop the helmet
- Does it have the desired trait
This is what i mean lol there is absolutely no winning with some people!0 -
attackjet✭✭✭✭Sounds cool. I don't get why people would be against it as long as its about 300k-900k ap or gold depending on the item.0
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✭✭✭Those prices are far too low considering you can run 100+ vet dungeons and still not get a helm.....or blow 50-100 keys and still not get the shoulder with the trait you are looking for.
This game is turning into GW2 and WOW where you earn nothing by playing the harder content and just buy everything with currency off some trading post or npc...
People will always choose this method over RNG bad luck. RIP Dungeons, guna be harder to get groups now.
Far too casual now.PC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything1 -
D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭Those prices are far too low considering you can run 100+ vet dungeons and still not get a helm.....or blow 50-100 keys and still not get the shoulder with the trait you are looking for.
This game is turning into GW2 and WOW where you earn nothing by playing the harder content and just buy everything with currency off some trading post or npc...
People will always choose this method over RNG bad luck. RIP Dungeons, guna be harder to get groups now.
Far too casual now.
Im sure people will still run the daily and the occasional helm farm. If they get the shoulders they want the smart thing to do would go do a few farming runs of the corespondent dungeon rather than waiting for the next piece to come into the vendor. Theres not way ZOS will put set pieces back to back.0 -
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✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »Those prices are far too low considering you can run 100+ vet dungeons and still not get a helm.....or blow 50-100 keys and still not get the shoulder with the trait you are looking for.
This game is turning into GW2 and WOW where you earn nothing by playing the harder content and just buy everything with currency off some trading post or npc...
People will always choose this method over RNG bad luck. RIP Dungeons, guna be harder to get groups now.
Far too casual now.
Im sure people will still run the daily and the occasional helm farm. If they get the shoulders they want the smart thing to do would go do a few farming runs of the corespondent dungeon rather than waiting for the next piece to come into the vendor. Theres not way ZOS will put set pieces back to back.
I wouldn't count on it, this is ZOS we're talking about
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✭I like the idea of the monster vendor. I have no wish to run endless re-runs of dungeons for a roll of the die chance to maybe get what I want. I know a lot of players do like to re-run dungeons but it's not my thing. Once is enough to enjoy the design & content.
If the AP cost is relatively cheap then it might be good incentive to pull more people into PVP & to stick with it until they achieve their goal... who knows... they might just get a taste for it!
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D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭I missed this. Where and when will we be able to purchase these items?
We can purchase them from a vendor who brings a random set piece similar to Xur in destiny. They will cost 200k AP or 100k gold! This also begins after the thieves guild update goes live on your specific platform.Edited by D0ntevenL1ft on February 5, 2016 4:31AM0 -
MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'll post what I put on the other helms thread here:This makes me a sad panda...I'm with the others that say this is way to easy to get. What this is telling me is that instead of doing the dungeons to maybe get a drop at all, maybe get it in the right trait and the right weight, I can just spend half a day farming and make enough money to buy it instead.
I'm still against it existing in the first place, but now that it's definitely staying it should be drastically increased in price. They should be a nice alternative that gives you a definite chance of getting the weight/maybe trait you want for the PvPers and people who are sick of the RNG grind, but should still cost a very pretty penny.
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D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭I'll post what I put on the other helms thread here:This makes me a sad panda...I'm with the others that say this is way to easy to get. What this is telling me is that instead of doing the dungeons to maybe get a drop at all, maybe get it in the right trait and the right weight, I can just spend half a day farming and make enough money to buy it instead.
I'm still against it existing in the first place, but now that it's definitely staying it should be drastically increased in price. They should be a nice alternative that gives you a definite chance of getting the weight/maybe trait you want for the PvPers and people who are sick of the RNG grind, but should still cost a very pretty penny.
Okay maybe the price can go up just a wee bit... Maybe even implement a tactic in which every time you buy another set the AP price increases? Say the first set is 200k a piece, the second is 300k a piece and so on? This seems rather even for the first few sets.0 -
MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »I'll post what I put on the other helms thread here:This makes me a sad panda...I'm with the others that say this is way to easy to get. What this is telling me is that instead of doing the dungeons to maybe get a drop at all, maybe get it in the right trait and the right weight, I can just spend half a day farming and make enough money to buy it instead.
I'm still against it existing in the first place, but now that it's definitely staying it should be drastically increased in price. They should be a nice alternative that gives you a definite chance of getting the weight/maybe trait you want for the PvPers and people who are sick of the RNG grind, but should still cost a very pretty penny.
Okay maybe the price can go up just a wee bit... Maybe even implement a tactic in which every time you buy another set the AP price increases? Say the first set is 200k a piece, the second is 300k a piece and so on? This seems rather even for the first few sets.
Even this could be circumvented, in that if you bought them with gold you'd just grind up a new char to lvl 10, take the gold from the bank and buy another helm on that one without the raise in price. As AP is much easier to get too it'd be a lot quicker to go RR AP farming with your lvl 10 to get the necessary amount.
I can't speak for the AP price because I haven't PvPed much and the gain rate has changed, but I'd say that with the Infused traits they're getting now it should be at least 500k gold. These helms were intended to almost be a status symbol that you can beat the dungeons and that you did it enough to not have just fluked it, so making them this easy to get in the proper traits without even needing to ever run that dungeon once is very silly to me. It should be something that you earned, not that you got from running in circles around Wrothgar for a little while.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »I'll post what I put on the other helms thread here:This makes me a sad panda...I'm with the others that say this is way to easy to get. What this is telling me is that instead of doing the dungeons to maybe get a drop at all, maybe get it in the right trait and the right weight, I can just spend half a day farming and make enough money to buy it instead.
I'm still against it existing in the first place, but now that it's definitely staying it should be drastically increased in price. They should be a nice alternative that gives you a definite chance of getting the weight/maybe trait you want for the PvPers and people who are sick of the RNG grind, but should still cost a very pretty penny.
Okay maybe the price can go up just a wee bit... Maybe even implement a tactic in which every time you buy another set the AP price increases? Say the first set is 200k a piece, the second is 300k a piece and so on? This seems rather even for the first few sets.
Even this could be circumvented, in that if you bought them with gold you'd just grind up a new char to lvl 10, take the gold from the bank and buy another helm on that one without the raise in price. As AP is much easier to get too it'd be a lot quicker to go RR AP farming with your lvl 10 to get the necessary amount.
I can't speak for the AP price because I haven't PvPed much and the gain rate has changed, but I'd say that with the Infused traits they're getting now it should be at least 500k gold. These helms were intended to almost be a status symbol that you can beat the dungeons and that you did it enough to not have just fluked it, so making them this easy to get in the proper traits without even needing to ever run that dungeon once is very silly to me. It should be something that you earned, not that you got from running in circles around Wrothgar for a little while.
A level 10 char cant buy a v16 monster helmet... Just make it scale to the purchased level0 -
MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »I'll post what I put on the other helms thread here:This makes me a sad panda...I'm with the others that say this is way to easy to get. What this is telling me is that instead of doing the dungeons to maybe get a drop at all, maybe get it in the right trait and the right weight, I can just spend half a day farming and make enough money to buy it instead.
I'm still against it existing in the first place, but now that it's definitely staying it should be drastically increased in price. They should be a nice alternative that gives you a definite chance of getting the weight/maybe trait you want for the PvPers and people who are sick of the RNG grind, but should still cost a very pretty penny.
Okay maybe the price can go up just a wee bit... Maybe even implement a tactic in which every time you buy another set the AP price increases? Say the first set is 200k a piece, the second is 300k a piece and so on? This seems rather even for the first few sets.
Even this could be circumvented, in that if you bought them with gold you'd just grind up a new char to lvl 10, take the gold from the bank and buy another helm on that one without the raise in price. As AP is much easier to get too it'd be a lot quicker to go RR AP farming with your lvl 10 to get the necessary amount.
I can't speak for the AP price because I haven't PvPed much and the gain rate has changed, but I'd say that with the Infused traits they're getting now it should be at least 500k gold. These helms were intended to almost be a status symbol that you can beat the dungeons and that you did it enough to not have just fluked it, so making them this easy to get in the proper traits without even needing to ever run that dungeon once is very silly to me. It should be something that you earned, not that you got from running in circles around Wrothgar for a little while.
A level 10 char cant buy a v16 monster helmet... Just make it scale to the purchased level
This would help a little, but would mean that lots of people would still get 8 base price pieces. Not to mention the people with multiple accounts...also, as there are only a few sets worth having people woudl normally only need the 1 set per char anyway, so the increase would be almost pointless.
This game shouldn't be about the grind that takes 100's of runs to get 1 drop, but it does need a guaranteed way of getting the drops from doing the content i.e. a token system. The merchant should be a very premium thing IMO.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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bedlom✭✭✭✭✭
✭The pricing is very resonalbe compared to most of there pricing.
I just hope I have plenty of chances to get the helms and shoulder sets I want.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Even as a PVPer I was against the idea, but now it's coming and after testing some of the monster sets on PTS, I'm pretty damn excited.0 -
Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »The simple solution was to increase drop rates.
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✭Just because one generation of players had to grind for needless hours doesnt mean the next one should too.2 -
MrDerrikk✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just because one generation of players had to grind for needless hours doesnt mean the next one should too.
It also doesn't mean we should give all the end game rewards to people who needn't ever have completed the relevant content by selling it to them. I would have been happiest of this merchant sold them to you for gold/AP and some material pieces you gained from that particular dungeon (basically a token system where you pay the crafter). It'd be a very similar system to the Daedric Shackles drops from vICP bosses, where you give the required mats and get a box that's guaranteed to have a shoulder/helm, but random trait/weight.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why don't we just give everyone everything and call it a day.
I would have loved if the vendor was just token based like VWGT/VICPEdited by Islyn on February 5, 2016 6:57AMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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✭✭✭I like the idea of the monster vendor. I have no wish to run endless re-runs of dungeons for a roll of the die chance to maybe get what I want. I know a lot of players do like to re-run dungeons but it's not my thing. Once is enough to enjoy the design & content.
If the AP cost is relatively cheap then it might be good incentive to pull more people into PVP & to stick with it until they achieve their goal... who knows... they might just get a taste for it!
I did legitimate PvP to get Vigor and I don't see myself doing that this time. More likely I run around spamming heals. And never buying siege.0 -
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I am honestly not being shirty here, if we/they did this would all be over and done. All this bickering between us sucks. It also causes nerfs which mess with PVE because of PVP and just everything.
I really wish this could be separated literally into 2 games.Edited by Islyn on February 5, 2016 6:59AMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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I am honestly not being shirty here, if we/they did this would all be over and done. All this bickering between us sucks. It also causes nerfs which mess with PVE because of PVP and just everything.
I really wish this could be separated literally into 2 games.
It's getting pretty old. I complained about the AP decrease on alliance war skill lines, but I guess I can't be too fussy while the monster sets are coming to Cyrodiil.
I think both sides need to consider they are both getting something to lower their grinding for the things they want. Myself included.
PVPers get undaunted stuff, PVErs are getting alliance war skill line AP cut significantly, plus the AP earned will be higher.
People are getting what they wanted and we're still bickering (not directing that at you btw)0
