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✭cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »You ever wonder where that "Blame it on the healer" quote came from? It's from players that have that cure all spam.. But they forget (or never knew better than) to manage their resources and the next thing you know; people are dying, including themselves. BoL wasn't meant to be spammed!! It was to save the ones on the brink of death! Personally, I'm glad this happened to BoL, because now, even the healer has to L2P!!
Let's just hope that when in a 4- or 12- man content where everyone is taking damage more than 60% of their health, you are the one getting the extra BoL, because if not, I'm pretty sure you're dead, because this time you don't get to blame your healer for not healing you in time.
If everyone is taking 60% of his hp in dmg and you expect heal it with BOL you are doing it wrong. Healing springs is way better and promotes awareness for dps. Green circle life, otside circle death. I can't imagine how many templars you would need in poison phase in the serpent.
My BoL can heal for 21k (that's without me casting Purifying Ritual), I can literally heal people with 18-19k health to full health with one BoL. Healing Springs is ideal for 12-man trials as the more people you heal the more magicka is returned to you, and there are more instances where people need to stack up, like in your example, poison phase of serpent. And unless you run SO day in and day out, then by all means go ahead and slot Healing Springs. Don't get me wrong, I love healing springs, but it's situational, and if the dungeon/instance requires you to move around, healing springs is crap. But you cannot argue how BoL is applicable to most if not all scenarios, when it comes to healing.
I have a redguard templar healer, yea I know its not a breton or high elf. But she can SOLO heal the Manticora fight in SO, if my group is stacked and we do the 100% burn method on Manti...With just healing springs. I could never think of doing this with BOL, I'd run out of magicka and people would start dropping like flies around me.
Hell, thats the bread and butter for other healer builds, healing springs can keep 12 people alive, even though its AOE capped at 6 players. Healing springs not crap, thats a flat out lie. BOL isn't OP. Thats just a sad nerf that came because 1vX streamer wanted to kill templar healers but can't because their builds cant burst down a templar healer. Disappointed in you ZOS.
Yep exactly.Edited by Islyn on February 4, 2016 7:25PMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20135 -
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✭Cure4theEn3my14 wrote: »Instead of crying nerf and crying about having to spam BoL to heal PUGs, maybe you should play with some players that know how to avoid/mitigate a lot of incoming damage. I've played with "healers" who end up doing 20k+ dps because everyone else in the group can avoid damage.
BS. Screenies or it didn't happen.
I'll buy 10-13k.
Oh and this is not my issue, I don't heal pugs anymore already.Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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✭BalticBlues wrote: »
Exactly this. So what will really happen? From my experience, most DDs want to focus 100% on damage. They do not want to worry about healing. I play with PUGS each day, and if I would tell them that they need to learn and change their playing style because my heals are not strong enough anymore, in most cases they would just kick me.Won't be the templar that needs to stay awake, they are always in range of their own heals. Other classes, specifically DPS will have to learn to take less damage or heal themselves.
Result 1: Templars will get the blame and not run with PUGS anymore.
At some point, PUG players will finally notice that there are no Healers anymore. Just like Tanks.
Result 2: With less and less dedicated healers for PUGS, people will learn to heal themselves. Every class will be able to do this with the latest changes.
Result 3: After making dedicated Tanks obsolete, ZOS made dedicated Healers obsolete.
Classic tactics (Tank, Healer, DDs) will not be needed anymore.
Just having enough DPS and personal background heals will be enough.
Reroll a Sorc/NB now.
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »
Teamplay is part of L2P ...
We never needed BOL for the tiny part of challenging content in ESO.
It was just easier for most of casual players, but that doesn't mean they have to play that way.
Imo it's about time that casuals face content with more flexibility again and think about what they are doing.
It's not enough watching videos of people with solo attitudes and copy & paste questionable templates.Edited by Bromburak on February 4, 2016 7:35PM0 -
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Yes, it is best to have team of organized players, playing together each day.Cure4theEn3my14 wrote: »Instead of crying nerf and crying about having to spam BoL to heal PUGs, maybe you should play with some players that know how to avoid/mitigate a lot of incoming damage. I've played with "healers" who end up doing 20k+ dps because everyone else in the group can avoid damage.
Yes, on PC there is a strong base of organized players.
However, most console players are casual and play with PUGS.
They come home from work, boot up the console and play a bit.
These people will now find that their healers suddenly suck.
The will find that their PUGS suddenly will be wiped more often.
They may then decide just to play another game.
Casual players are the bread and butter for each game.
Does ZOS realy know the risk of the Templar nerf?
Dedicated Templars will not be able to save casual console players anymore.
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✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Finally well' have more skilled healers around and not just templars even other classes will be able to do the healers now
(i've not tested my DK yet but since the "healing fist" has been buffed i believe it can easily crit above 15k in pts)
how does nerfing templars make other healers better? hrm?
DKs got a really huge buff in the support area. Their Ultis are group wide and their heals got a major buff.
Sadly other classes dont need a whole tree to be considered great healers now.0 -
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✭BalticBlues wrote: »
Exactly this. So what will really happen? From my experience, most DDs want to focus 100% on damage. They do not want to worry about healing. I play with PUGS each day, and if I would tell them that they need to learn and change their playing style because my heals are not strong enough anymore, in most cases they would just kick me.Won't be the templar that needs to stay awake, they are always in range of their own heals. Other classes, specifically DPS will have to learn to take less damage or heal themselves.
Result 1: Templars will get the blame and not run with PUGS anymore.
At some point, PUG players will finally notice that there are no Healers anymore. Just like Tanks.
Result 2: With less and less dedicated healers for PUGS, people will learn to heal themselves. Every class will be able to do this with the latest changes.
Result 3: After making dedicated Tanks obsolete, ZOS made dedicated Healers obsolete.
Classic tactics (Tank, Healer, DDs) will not be needed anymore.
Just having enough DPS and personal background heals will be enough.
Reroll a Sorc/NB now.
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Cure4theEn3my14 wrote: »Instead of crying nerf and crying about having to spam BoL to heal PUGs, maybe you should play with some players that know how to avoid/mitigate a lot of incoming damage. I've played with "healers" who end up doing 20k+ dps because everyone else in the group can avoid damage.
BS. Screenies or it didn't happen.
I'll buy 10-13k.
Oh and this is not my issue, I don't heal pugs anymore already.
I don't know why you find this hard to believe. A well built healer will have a lot of spell damage and magicka, increasing healing. However, if they rarely have to heal, because no one else is taking damage, they can basically become a 3rd DPS, and a well built Templar DPS can be very good.Edited by Cure4theEn3my14 on February 4, 2016 7:42PM0 -
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✭Cure4theEn3my14 wrote: »Cure4theEn3my14 wrote: »Instead of crying nerf and crying about having to spam BoL to heal PUGs, maybe you should play with some players that know how to avoid/mitigate a lot of incoming damage. I've played with "healers" who end up doing 20k+ dps because everyone else in the group can avoid damage.
BS. Screenies or it didn't happen.
I'll buy 10-13k.
Oh and this is not my issue, I don't heal pugs anymore already.
I don't know why you find this hard to believe. A well built healer will have a lot of spell damage and magicka, increasing healing. However, if they rarely have to heal, because no one else is taking damage, they can basically become a 3rd DPS, and a well built Templar DPS can be very good.
Because I play a templar, have DPSed End Game Content (AKA Sanctum Hard Mode) on a templar and because without Buffs Your HEALER is not pulling those numbers and if they are providing buffs, they aren't DPSing hard enough to pull those numbers. Bar a couple primarily DPS templars who ROCK ROCK ROCK (but with support, orbs, Ele drain, combat prayer, the whole thing) the arithmetic doesn't add up.
Short answer: Experience.Edited by Islyn on February 4, 2016 7:51PMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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✭✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »Dedicated Templars will not be able to save casual console players anymore.
Best part is - this is a serious line. lolEdited by FENGRUSH on February 4, 2016 8:04PM2 -
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✭Cure4theEn3my14 wrote: »Cure4theEn3my14 wrote: »Instead of crying nerf and crying about having to spam BoL to heal PUGs, maybe you should play with some players that know how to avoid/mitigate a lot of incoming damage. I've played with "healers" who end up doing 20k+ dps because everyone else in the group can avoid damage.
BS. Screenies or it didn't happen.
I'll buy 10-13k.
Oh and this is not my issue, I don't heal pugs anymore already.
I don't know why you find this hard to believe. A well built healer will have a lot of spell damage and magicka, increasing healing. However, if they rarely have to heal, because no one else is taking damage, they can basically become a 3rd DPS, and a well built Templar DPS can be very good.
Because I play a templar, have DPSed End Game Content (AKA Sanctum Hard Mode) on a templar and because without Buffs Your HEALER is not pulling those numbers and if they are providing buffs, they aren't DPSing hard enough to pull those numbers. Bar a couple primarily DPS templars who ROCK ROCK ROCK (but with support, orbs, Ele drain, combat prayer, the whole thing) the arithmetic doesn't add up.
Short answer: Experience.
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Talyena✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Finally well' have more skilled healers around and not just templars even other classes will be able to do the healers now
(i've not tested my DK yet but since the "healing fist" has been buffed i believe it can easily crit above 15k in pts)
how does nerfing templars make other healers better? hrm?
It's quite simple my friend, finally OTHER CLASSES will be considered as good as templars, right now if you are not a templar healer ( mainly due to BOL that makes every templar a good healer) it will take days to join a group and no one except guildies want you.
That still doesn't make other healers better, it just makes everyone have to settle for less. How about this for a fix, move BoL to resto staff and move one of the resto staff abilities (not healing springs) to restoring light line? Then anyone could spam BoL and templar healers wouldn't be taking the brunt of the nerf.0 -
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✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Finally well' have more skilled healers around and not just templars even other classes will be able to do the healers now
(i've not tested my DK yet but since the "healing fist" has been buffed i believe it can easily crit above 15k in pts)
how does nerfing templars make other healers better? hrm?
It's quite simple my friend, finally OTHER CLASSES will be considered as good as templars, right now if you are not a templar healer ( mainly due to BOL that makes every templar a good healer) it will take days to join a group and no one except guildies want you.
Well, if this was the point of the "nerf" then why not just delete the entire restoration tree?? I'm so sick of reading "this is fair because now other classes will be as good". I'm sorry, BUT OTHER CLASSES DO NOT HAVE AN ENTIRE TREE DEDICATED TO HEALING.
Other classes should NOT be as good, FULL STOP.
If that is, indeed what the community wants, then get rid of the freaking tree all together and give templars something else to make them a unique class....NA PC | AD
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Hey guys--with the new changes to Breath of Life healing two people instead of three, I thought the skill's outdated icon could also use an update. What do you think?
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Pick-up groups. Basically it's when you do a dungeon (or other content) with random folks from the group finder tool (or who you find in zone chat, or whatever) rather than friends and guildies who you know and regularly play with.Thealteregoroman wrote: »hey what do PUG's mean?
Someone stole my sweetrollCaius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
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Pick-up groups. Basically it's when you do a dungeon (or other content) with random folks from the group finder tool (or who you find in zone chat, or whatever) rather than friends and guildies who you know and regularly play with.Thealteregoroman wrote: »hey what do PUG's mean?
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✭✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Finally well' have more skilled healers around and not just templars even other classes will be able to do the healers now
(i've not tested my DK yet but since the "healing fist" has been buffed i believe it can easily crit above 15k in pts)
how does nerfing templars make other healers better? hrm?
It's quite simple my friend, finally OTHER CLASSES will be considered as good as templars, right now if you are not a templar healer ( mainly due to BOL that makes every templar a good healer) it will take days to join a group and no one except guildies want you.
But templar has a entire skill line dedicated to healing? Of course they should be better.
Don't exaggerate the wait time either.PS4 EU DC
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EXACTLY.
They'll be falling over like wet toilet paper and it'll be all 'You let me dieeeee!'
Imma be all 'l2fknblock'
[Edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on February 5, 2016 3:13PMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20131 -
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Nah. Captain AOE and his whirlwind of metal will just get instagibbed now and it'll be ALL MY FAULT.
DPS are notoriously stupid in all mmos. Like 10 words a minute, talking. That stupid. And people on console are already idiots in general, so more fun for me.
EXACTLY.
They'll be falling over like wet toilet paper and it'll be all 'You let me dieeeee!'
Imma be all 'l2fknblock'
ok.......@Islyn I see you post and your replies on other posts and Its so hilarious. LMFAO.****Master Healer...****0 -
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✭Thealteregoroman wrote: »
Nah. Captain AOE and his whirlwind of metal will just get instagibbed now and it'll be ALL MY FAULT.
DPS are notoriously stupid in all mmos. Like 10 words a minute, talking. That stupid. And people on console are already idiots in general, so more fun for me.
EXACTLY.
They'll be falling over like wet toilet paper and it'll be all 'You let me dieeeee!'
Imma be all 'l2fknblock'
ok.......@Islyn I see you post and your replies on other posts and Its so hilarious. LMFAO.
Cannot decide if THANK YOU or IGNOREMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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✭✭I'm just glad that I rerolled as another class. Sorry for BoL. But now people will consider taking Honor The Dead instead of Fart Of Life.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0
