THE PATCH NOTES

God_flakes · February 2016

So not only do I have to drop something to slot purge I gotta drop something to slot PoD. I mean fine, I will. But it's a major change to play style and as a filthy casual I'm not appreciative of that. I don't have a box of Depends next to me and an Iv of ensure keeping me alive while I play 24x7. They could have left cloak alone, really. Let me have my bitterness, Minno!

WRX · February 2016

Haha, anyone who thinks fights are going to be like they were in the past is nuts. If you run in a guild group ball, you are going to fall really really fast.

Staying tight and stacking resto heals, is immediate death. 2 Nightblades could easily burst a 20 man group with proxy,bats,sap. Throw in that set for gravy. I think there will be moments where its necessary to get close together, like flags and such, but even then most people will have to be dead and the people on flags will need stuff like rite of passage, novas, veils, mamga, etc.

@Darnathian Dk's are doing a wholeee lot better. First is dots actually affecting shielded and blocking targets, and dots being a lot more difficult to remove. Second is the burning embers heal. Burning embers with igneous and fiery breath is almost a full burst heal if you can get them all chained together. Much like rally.

Just from dots alone, over 10 seconds you do 25k+ damage to a person plus whips and dawnbreaker and proxy. In group play, igneous opens up a bar spot for everyone if they so choose. Banner is cheaper, and inhale hits 6 targets for a really good tanking skill. Overall its nice buffs.

EDIT: Empowering chains is also pretty effective, and a good way to not have to break talons.

God_flakes · February 2016

Proxy-bats-sap= eso Allah Akbar suicide bomber.

WRX · February 2016

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

dat meteor change tho

The reflect change or have i not gotten that far?

I like the reflect change though.

Me too, I don't really understand the rage folks have over it though.... I mean.. I can go into PvP right now and Block it and call myself OP as ***.

Honestly the Ultimate is really only good for stacking damage inside of a specific setup. It's a highly highly telegraphed skill if your getting shot at point blank you can easily block it. Unless the guy casts meteor, fears you and you need to break fear. Even in that situation there is enough time to block it.

I was referring to the reflect thing where you can only reflect something once. I like that part, but not the no meteor reflect.

Takes-No-Prisoner · February 2016

WRX wrote: »

I was referring to the reflect thing where you can only reflect something once. I like that part, but not the no meteor reflect.

Oh my bad, yeah that section was interesting..it is strange as to why it was reflected twice originally. It's still a good change.

Additionally what you said about...

Staying tight and stacking resto heals, is immediate death. 2 Nightblades could easily burst a 20 man group with proxy,bats,sap. Throw in that set for gravy. I think there will be moments where its necessary to get close together, like flags and such, but even then most people will have to be dead and the people on flags will need stuff like rite of passage, novas, veils, mamga, etc.

Just from dots alone, over 10 seconds you do 25k+ damage to a person plus whips and dawnbreaker and proxy. In group play, igneous opens up a bar spot for everyone if they so choose. Banner is cheaper, and inhale hits 6 targets for a really good tanking skill. Overall its nice buffs.

I'm super curious to see this happen. I would need to really consider putting purge on my bar for DKs and would need to think twice about engaging them. If I could find a buddy to roll that proxy+bats+sap setup, I would roll a vamp on my MagNB in a heart beat. 1.0

Satiar · February 2016

WRX wrote: »

Haha, anyone who thinks fights are going to be like they were in the past is nuts. If you run in a guild group ball, you are going to fall really really fast.

Staying tight and stacking resto heals, is immediate death. 2 Nightblades could easily burst a 20 man group with proxy,bats,sap. Throw in that set for gravy. I think there will be moments where its necessary to get close together, like flags and such, but even then most people will have to be dead and the people on flags will need stuff like rite of passage, novas, veils, mamga, etc.

@Darnathian Dk's are doing a wholeee lot better. First is dots actually affecting shielded and blocking targets, and dots being a lot more difficult to remove. Second is the burning embers heal. Burning embers with igneous and fiery breath is almost a full burst heal if you can get them all chained together. Much like rally.

Just from dots alone, over 10 seconds you do 25k+ damage to a person plus whips and dawnbreaker and proxy. In group play, igneous opens up a bar spot for everyone if they so choose. Banner is cheaper, and inhale hits 6 targets for a really good tanking skill. Overall its nice buffs.

EDIT: Empowering chains is also pretty effective, and a good way to not have to break talons.

No argument from me.

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play.

1. Remove mitigation: barriers, breath of life nerf.
2. Remove group support: Purge nerf, retreating maneuvers nerf.
3. Buff AOE damage to crazy amounts: insane Prox Det buff, that new 15k AOE on death set.
4. Lower AP requirements for prox det so everyone can use it
5. Buff siege as the cherry on top

It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though. Group play has been the only thing that kept me going in this game once solo/duo/4man got old.

I can't believe I may be going magica for the first time since 1.2. Prox and all that goes with it going to be insane.

Chori · February 2016

Takllin wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Of course I understand it's implication in group play.

Manoekin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Still no help for Templars, more like nerfs. As a long time Templar I honestly prefer the knock back to sweeps rather than a snare. I also liked purifying projectiles too, didn't see the issue with it. And why is blazing shield scaled off health? BOL got nerfed too but who didn't see that coming. The only buff is to flare which didn't need it though I'm pretty sure there will be nerf threads coming for it.

Currently templars are doing the best at doing on the PTS. Mag dk is excellent too, just a lot different than since I played last.

That was said in 1.6. Offensively they are better but purify was huge for their defense and that's gone with nothing to replace it.

The purify change will take a lot of getting used to. At least in 1v1 from my perspective we're able to deal with a lot of incoming damage really well though still. We'll see how it affects group play soon probably. IMO Templar healers are going to change quite a bit this patch, but probably be even more effective. Thanks for all of the complaining everyone

My take so far is that our normal way to deal with dmg will change slightly. DOTs now a deal breaker in fights, but templars can still purge. Removal of NB purge means they must rely on a Templar or use expensive alliance war skill, or use CP to compensate.

I can see a few morphs of skills no one used before will make a comeback or be used.

All things said, I think we may have a viable patch in terms of overall balance. Might need some tweaking prior to Dark Brotherhood, but it seems viable.

Some of the reflect changes might mean a return to builds that incorporate all stats. Could be Zose's way of forcing hybridization and eventually more gear choices once we see which sets are now vr16 to confirm.

This ASSUMES NB's want a Templar up their buttocks constantly. Part of the fun of playing a NB is the solo aspect of it, the creeping and hiding in the shadows. So now Nb's are required to stick close to a Templar to get dat dot purge? Come on. This is stupid beyond belief. This whole patch appears to me to be nothing more than more encouraged large group or medium size group play. Not less. We asked for help making smaller or solo more viable. Not more dependent on zergs and heal balls. I predict a mass exodus from the game after this patch, to add to the already slow bleed of players from the game.

Or you can slot purge or keep dark cloak up until the DoT is gone, and you get a 8% damage mitigation buff for 5 seconds after you become invisible.

Slotting purge as Stam NB isn't gonna happen. I don't even do much solo stuff anymore abd I recognize it as a gigantic nerf.

Then keep dark cloak up. You can easily get 4 casts off and that's plenty of time to GTFO.

It's a nerf, but I don't see it as a gigantic one.

You wont be able to since everybody will be running magelight because it got a gigantic buff to stealth detection aside of the rest of the things it got, I can see it becoming the meta for magicka users and that means bye bye to you spamming cloak to run away like you suggest. People will either have to go stamina and become a roll dodger champ or play a very specific super bursty magblade.

The nerf to cloak might not be the problem, but the strong buff to a counter meassure along the way is. That's what makes the nerf a little bit uncalled for.

EDIT: cant wait for this patch to come so bad nightblades drop the class already, there is too many playing.

God_flakes · February 2016

Chori wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Of course I understand it's implication in group play.

Manoekin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Still no help for Templars, more like nerfs. As a long time Templar I honestly prefer the knock back to sweeps rather than a snare. I also liked purifying projectiles too, didn't see the issue with it. And why is blazing shield scaled off health? BOL got nerfed too but who didn't see that coming. The only buff is to flare which didn't need it though I'm pretty sure there will be nerf threads coming for it.

Currently templars are doing the best at doing on the PTS. Mag dk is excellent too, just a lot different than since I played last.

That was said in 1.6. Offensively they are better but purify was huge for their defense and that's gone with nothing to replace it.

The purify change will take a lot of getting used to. At least in 1v1 from my perspective we're able to deal with a lot of incoming damage really well though still. We'll see how it affects group play soon probably. IMO Templar healers are going to change quite a bit this patch, but probably be even more effective. Thanks for all of the complaining everyone

My take so far is that our normal way to deal with dmg will change slightly. DOTs now a deal breaker in fights, but templars can still purge. Removal of NB purge means they must rely on a Templar or use expensive alliance war skill, or use CP to compensate.

I can see a few morphs of skills no one used before will make a comeback or be used.

All things said, I think we may have a viable patch in terms of overall balance. Might need some tweaking prior to Dark Brotherhood, but it seems viable.

Some of the reflect changes might mean a return to builds that incorporate all stats. Could be Zose's way of forcing hybridization and eventually more gear choices once we see which sets are now vr16 to confirm.

This ASSUMES NB's want a Templar up their buttocks constantly. Part of the fun of playing a NB is the solo aspect of it, the creeping and hiding in the shadows. So now Nb's are required to stick close to a Templar to get dat dot purge? Come on. This is stupid beyond belief. This whole patch appears to me to be nothing more than more encouraged large group or medium size group play. Not less. We asked for help making smaller or solo more viable. Not more dependent on zergs and heal balls. I predict a mass exodus from the game after this patch, to add to the already slow bleed of players from the game.

Or you can slot purge or keep dark cloak up until the DoT is gone, and you get a 8% damage mitigation buff for 5 seconds after you become invisible.

Slotting purge as Stam NB isn't gonna happen. I don't even do much solo stuff anymore abd I recognize it as a gigantic nerf.

Then keep dark cloak up. You can easily get 4 casts off and that's plenty of time to GTFO.

It's a nerf, but I don't see it as a gigantic one.

You wont be able to since everybody will be running magelight because it got a gigantic buff to stealth detection aside of the rest of the things it got, I can see it becoming the meta for magicka users and that means bye bye to you spamming cloak to run away like you suggest. People will either have to go stamina and become a roll dodger champ or play a very specific super bursty magblade.

The nerf to cloak might not be the problem, but the strong buff to a counter meassure along the way is. That's what makes the nerf a little bit uncalled for.

EDIT: cant wait for this patch to come so bad nightblades drop the class already, there is too many playing.

Excuse me, but what is it to YOU how many people play NB? Do you have the same problem with the number of Sorcs and DK's? Or is it just Nb's you have an issue with? I've spent nearly two years as a NB. It's why I play the game. If they make it unplayable for a casual I simply won't log in to this game. add me to the long list of people exiting. Does zos really want to lose more paying players?

Chori · February 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Of course I understand it's implication in group play.

Manoekin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Still no help for Templars, more like nerfs. As a long time Templar I honestly prefer the knock back to sweeps rather than a snare. I also liked purifying projectiles too, didn't see the issue with it. And why is blazing shield scaled off health? BOL got nerfed too but who didn't see that coming. The only buff is to flare which didn't need it though I'm pretty sure there will be nerf threads coming for it.

Currently templars are doing the best at doing on the PTS. Mag dk is excellent too, just a lot different than since I played last.

That was said in 1.6. Offensively they are better but purify was huge for their defense and that's gone with nothing to replace it.

The purify change will take a lot of getting used to. At least in 1v1 from my perspective we're able to deal with a lot of incoming damage really well though still. We'll see how it affects group play soon probably. IMO Templar healers are going to change quite a bit this patch, but probably be even more effective. Thanks for all of the complaining everyone

My take so far is that our normal way to deal with dmg will change slightly. DOTs now a deal breaker in fights, but templars can still purge. Removal of NB purge means they must rely on a Templar or use expensive alliance war skill, or use CP to compensate.

I can see a few morphs of skills no one used before will make a comeback or be used.

All things said, I think we may have a viable patch in terms of overall balance. Might need some tweaking prior to Dark Brotherhood, but it seems viable.

Some of the reflect changes might mean a return to builds that incorporate all stats. Could be Zose's way of forcing hybridization and eventually more gear choices once we see which sets are now vr16 to confirm.

This ASSUMES NB's want a Templar up their buttocks constantly. Part of the fun of playing a NB is the solo aspect of it, the creeping and hiding in the shadows. So now Nb's are required to stick close to a Templar to get dat dot purge? Come on. This is stupid beyond belief. This whole patch appears to me to be nothing more than more encouraged large group or medium size group play. Not less. We asked for help making smaller or solo more viable. Not more dependent on zergs and heal balls. I predict a mass exodus from the game after this patch, to add to the already slow bleed of players from the game.

Or you can slot purge or keep dark cloak up until the DoT is gone, and you get a 8% damage mitigation buff for 5 seconds after you become invisible.

Slotting purge as Stam NB isn't gonna happen. I don't even do much solo stuff anymore abd I recognize it as a gigantic nerf.

Then keep dark cloak up. You can easily get 4 casts off and that's plenty of time to GTFO.

It's a nerf, but I don't see it as a gigantic one.

You wont be able to since everybody will be running magelight because it got a gigantic buff to stealth detection aside of the rest of the things it got, I can see it becoming the meta for magicka users and that means bye bye to you spamming cloak to run away like you suggest. People will either have to go stamina and become a roll dodger champ or play a very specific super bursty magblade.

The nerf to cloak might not be the problem, but the strong buff to a counter meassure along the way is. That's what makes the nerf a little bit uncalled for.

EDIT: cant wait for this patch to come so bad nightblades drop the class already, there is too many playing.

Excuse me, but what is it to YOU how many people play NB? Do you have the same problem with the number of Sorcs and DK's? Or is it just Nb's you have an issue with? I've spent nearly two years as a NB. It's why I play the game. If they make it unplayable for a casual I simply won't log in to this game. add me to the long list of people exiting. Does zos really want to lose more paying players?

Simple, the more people that plays nightblades the more complaints you will see about them and the more nerfs will come to the class. I rather have ZoS attempt to balance that or nerf the class so all the FOTM badies can drop being nightblades and move to another thing. Now if you built your character for 2 years and you said you've been playing that long on it, you will definitely not have an issue adapting and being the difference between those kind of people unless you consider yourself bad or unable to do so.

God_flakes · February 2016

Chori wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Chori wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Of course I understand it's implication in group play.

Manoekin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Still no help for Templars, more like nerfs. As a long time Templar I honestly prefer the knock back to sweeps rather than a snare. I also liked purifying projectiles too, didn't see the issue with it. And why is blazing shield scaled off health? BOL got nerfed too but who didn't see that coming. The only buff is to flare which didn't need it though I'm pretty sure there will be nerf threads coming for it.

Currently templars are doing the best at doing on the PTS. Mag dk is excellent too, just a lot different than since I played last.

That was said in 1.6. Offensively they are better but purify was huge for their defense and that's gone with nothing to replace it.

The purify change will take a lot of getting used to. At least in 1v1 from my perspective we're able to deal with a lot of incoming damage really well though still. We'll see how it affects group play soon probably. IMO Templar healers are going to change quite a bit this patch, but probably be even more effective. Thanks for all of the complaining everyone

My take so far is that our normal way to deal with dmg will change slightly. DOTs now a deal breaker in fights, but templars can still purge. Removal of NB purge means they must rely on a Templar or use expensive alliance war skill, or use CP to compensate.

I can see a few morphs of skills no one used before will make a comeback or be used.

All things said, I think we may have a viable patch in terms of overall balance. Might need some tweaking prior to Dark Brotherhood, but it seems viable.

Some of the reflect changes might mean a return to builds that incorporate all stats. Could be Zose's way of forcing hybridization and eventually more gear choices once we see which sets are now vr16 to confirm.

This ASSUMES NB's want a Templar up their buttocks constantly. Part of the fun of playing a NB is the solo aspect of it, the creeping and hiding in the shadows. So now Nb's are required to stick close to a Templar to get dat dot purge? Come on. This is stupid beyond belief. This whole patch appears to me to be nothing more than more encouraged large group or medium size group play. Not less. We asked for help making smaller or solo more viable. Not more dependent on zergs and heal balls. I predict a mass exodus from the game after this patch, to add to the already slow bleed of players from the game.

Or you can slot purge or keep dark cloak up until the DoT is gone, and you get a 8% damage mitigation buff for 5 seconds after you become invisible.

Slotting purge as Stam NB isn't gonna happen. I don't even do much solo stuff anymore abd I recognize it as a gigantic nerf.

Then keep dark cloak up. You can easily get 4 casts off and that's plenty of time to GTFO.

It's a nerf, but I don't see it as a gigantic one.

You wont be able to since everybody will be running magelight because it got a gigantic buff to stealth detection aside of the rest of the things it got, I can see it becoming the meta for magicka users and that means bye bye to you spamming cloak to run away like you suggest. People will either have to go stamina and become a roll dodger champ or play a very specific super bursty magblade.

The nerf to cloak might not be the problem, but the strong buff to a counter meassure along the way is. That's what makes the nerf a little bit uncalled for.

EDIT: cant wait for this patch to come so bad nightblades drop the class already, there is too many playing.

Excuse me, but what is it to YOU how many people play NB? Do you have the same problem with the number of Sorcs and DK's? Or is it just Nb's you have an issue with? I've spent nearly two years as a NB. It's why I play the game. If they make it unplayable for a casual I simply won't log in to this game. add me to the long list of people exiting. Does zos really want to lose more paying players?

Simple, the more people that plays nightblades the more complaints you will see about them and the more nerfs will come to the class. I rather have ZoS attempt to balance that or nerf the class so all the FOTM badies can drop being nightblades and move to another thing. Now if you built your character for 2 years and you said you've been playing that long on it, you will definitely not have an issue adapting and being the difference between those kind of people unless you consider yourself bad or unable to do so.

So you're suggesting the complaints are about the numerous bad ones? Or the very good few ones?

I think there are a lot of bads in every class. So to NERF one class because it has what you personally consider "too many" is pretty arbitrary and unfair.

Soulac · February 2016

Are there Vicious Death RINGS?

Manoekin · February 2016

Soulac wrote: »

Are there Vicious Death RINGS?

It comes in every piece. So you don't even have to wear an armor piece if you don't want to.

Soulac · February 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Are there Vicious Death RINGS?

It comes in every piece. So you don't even have to wear an armor piece if you don't want to.

I need proof of it, otherwise I can´t plan ahead

Crown · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

Satiar · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

That's what's frustrating to me. There are so many games that cater to small teams, little elite groups of 4-8. There are so few quality games like this where you can have a big team.

This patch, I get the picture. ZoS doesn't want big groups. Message received, not welcome. Ok. It's sickening, though. There are so few games that had the promise this one did, and to me this really feels like the end as far as large group gameplay. I don't doubt I'll stick around for a while, but the moment CU beta drops or hell BDO, I'm done. Time to find a game that actually wants me in it.

As far as I'm concerned, they are so tangled up in amateur coding and lag problems they can't fix they've decided to turn on the player base they advertised to in the first place in a last ditch effort to make thier game halfway playable. And to all the players like me that hung on and convinced their guild and friends to hope for an eventual light at the end of the tunnel...well, there's the door. Goddammit

Makkir · February 2016

By they way, some of the dungeon sets aimed at "enhancing groups in PvE content" are actually quite nice at first glance outside of PvE....

Derra · February 2016

Recremen wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Lots of great changes, but unreflectable meteor? Barrier only hitting 6? Both terrible ideas. Other ultimates have a way to avoid them, but Meteor is just gonna happen, no matter what? With its buggy CC, high initial damage, DoT component, etc., I'm incredibly skeptical that this is going to be a positive change. And barrier only hitting 6 is a nerf too far, I think. I'm all for it hitting fewer people, but 12 would have been a better balance point, I think.

Meteor did have a counter and viable rotation for it to hit. Unexpected buff tbh.

@Minno

Not sure what you mean by a "viable rotation for it to hit." Meteor is not currently guaranteed to hit specifically because it is reflectable. It might hit the target, it might hit the caster, it really depends on who has a reflect and who has ranged attacks to eat through an enemy's reflect pool so that they still get hit by the meteor. It's way too strong if it's unreflectable.

Tell that sorcs templars and NBs who had no reliable way of countering a DKs meteor. You´ll eventually learn to block it too.

WRX · February 2016

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Satiar wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

That's what's frustrating to me. There are so many games that cater to small teams, little elite groups of 4-8. There are so few quality games like this where you can have a big team.

This patch, I get the picture. ZoS doesn't want big groups. Message received, not welcome. Ok. It's sickening, though. There are so few games that had the promise this one did, and to me this really feels like the end as far as large group gameplay. I don't doubt I'll stick around for a while, but the moment CU beta drops or hell BDO, I'm done. Time to find a game that actually wants me in it.

As far as I'm concerned, they are so tangled up in amateur coding and lag problems they can't fix they've decided to turn on the player base they advertised to in the first place in a last ditch effort to make thier game halfway playable. And to all the players like me that hung on and convinced their guild and friends to hope for an eventual light at the end of the tunnel...well, there's the door. Goddammit

BDO will be out the same time this patch goes live.

But, from my limited understanding, if you think you get punished hard for large groups (16+) in ESO, BDO is in a whole other league.

God_flakes · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

Sarenvog has me blocked :'(

MountainHound · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

How you not dead

Manoekin · February 2016

Soulac wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Are there Vicious Death RINGS?

It comes in every piece. So you don't even have to wear an armor piece if you don't want to.

I need proof of it, otherwise I can´t plan ahead

I have 2 rings and a neck, plus two swords and even a shield I'm not using. The jewelry seems to always be arcane, but the armor/weapons come in random traits (though I haven't seen a single piece of sturdy/well-fitted).

Satiar wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

That's what's frustrating to me. There are so many games that cater to small teams, little elite groups of 4-8. There are so few quality games like this where you can have a big team.

This patch, I get the picture. ZoS doesn't want big groups. Message received, not welcome. Ok. It's sickening, though. There are so few games that had the promise this one did, and to me this really feels like the end as far as large group gameplay. I don't doubt I'll stick around for a while, but the moment CU beta drops or hell BDO, I'm done. Time to find a game that actually wants me in it.

As far as I'm concerned, they are so tangled up in amateur coding and lag problems they can't fix they've decided to turn on the player base they advertised to in the first place in a last ditch effort to make thier game halfway playable. And to all the players like me that hung on and convinced their guild and friends to hope for an eventual light at the end of the tunnel...well, there's the door. Goddammit

I sympathize with this line of thinking more than people may think I do. However, I don't necessarily see it the same way. IMO there's nothing in this patch that says don't play as a large group. All I see is them telling us not to pack everyone into super tight balls. The only issue I have is one you've brought up before, and that's assaulting defended keeps. The camp radius is so small it won't reach the outer wall of the keep from a resource. The only people who will be able to use camps are defenders which is a huge advantage to the players that already have the advantage of defending. Disregarding that though, I want to see how it will work. All these new sets work just as well for the people attacking a keep as they do the people defending. I'm sure there's something that can be done about it, but just the camp issue for me is enough to make me not siege any keeps anymore.

God_flakes · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

That's what's frustrating to me. There are so many games that cater to small teams, little elite groups of 4-8. There are so few quality games like this where you can have a big team.

This patch, I get the picture. ZoS doesn't want big groups. Message received, not welcome. Ok. It's sickening, though. There are so few games that had the promise this one did, and to me this really feels like the end as far as large group gameplay. I don't doubt I'll stick around for a while, but the moment CU beta drops or hell BDO, I'm done. Time to find a game that actually wants me in it.

As far as I'm concerned, they are so tangled up in amateur coding and lag problems they can't fix they've decided to turn on the player base they advertised to in the first place in a last ditch effort to make thier game halfway playable. And to all the players like me that hung on and convinced their guild and friends to hope for an eventual light at the end of the tunnel...well, there's the door. Goddammit

Preach. All I've ever wanted was a game that supported both large and small gameplay. Not one to the exclusion of the other. Not one pitted against the other. I'm not opposed to zergs. I think most of us just wanted viable ways to combat abusive zergs who steamroll maps and lock them down and refuse to let them be competitive or Zerg up and stress the server on purpose. But I agree-zos is incapable of correcting the core issues on their side and have shifted the owness to us, their loyal players and financial supporters.

Satiar · February 2016

WRX wrote: »

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Satiar wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

That's what's frustrating to me. There are so many games that cater to small teams, little elite groups of 4-8. There are so few quality games like this where you can have a big team.

This patch, I get the picture. ZoS doesn't want big groups. Message received, not welcome. Ok. It's sickening, though. There are so few games that had the promise this one did, and to me this really feels like the end as far as large group gameplay. I don't doubt I'll stick around for a while, but the moment CU beta drops or hell BDO, I'm done. Time to find a game that actually wants me in it.

As far as I'm concerned, they are so tangled up in amateur coding and lag problems they can't fix they've decided to turn on the player base they advertised to in the first place in a last ditch effort to make thier game halfway playable. And to all the players like me that hung on and convinced their guild and friends to hope for an eventual light at the end of the tunnel...well, there's the door. Goddammit

BDO will be out the same time this patch goes live.

But, from my limited understanding, if you think you get punished hard for large groups (16+) in ESO, BDO is in a whole other league.

BDO would be to mess around in until CU beta. It's not going to be a legit home for serious PvP

Satiar · February 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Are there Vicious Death RINGS?

It comes in every piece. So you don't even have to wear an armor piece if you don't want to.

I need proof of it, otherwise I can´t plan ahead

I have 2 rings and a neck, plus two swords and even a shield I'm not using. The jewelry seems to always be arcane, but the armor/weapons come in random traits (though I haven't seen a single piece of sturdy/well-fitted).

Satiar wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

That's what's frustrating to me. There are so many games that cater to small teams, little elite groups of 4-8. There are so few quality games like this where you can have a big team.

This patch, I get the picture. ZoS doesn't want big groups. Message received, not welcome. Ok. It's sickening, though. There are so few games that had the promise this one did, and to me this really feels like the end as far as large group gameplay. I don't doubt I'll stick around for a while, but the moment CU beta drops or hell BDO, I'm done. Time to find a game that actually wants me in it.

As far as I'm concerned, they are so tangled up in amateur coding and lag problems they can't fix they've decided to turn on the player base they advertised to in the first place in a last ditch effort to make thier game halfway playable. And to all the players like me that hung on and convinced their guild and friends to hope for an eventual light at the end of the tunnel...well, there's the door. Goddammit

I sympathize with this line of thinking more than people may think I do. However, I don't necessarily see it the same way. IMO there's nothing in this patch that says don't play as a large group. All I see is them telling us not to pack everyone into super tight balls. The only issue I have is one you've brought up before, and that's assaulting defended keeps. The camp radius is so small it won't reach the outer wall of the keep from a resource. The only people who will be able to use camps are defenders which is a huge advantage to the players that already have the advantage of defending. Disregarding that though, I want to see how it will work. All these new sets work just as well for the people attacking a keep as they do the people defending. I'm sure there's something that can be done about it, but just the camp issue for me is enough to make me not siege any keeps anymore.

Ehhhh I think you're being really, really optimistic Mano. The group fights in this game make literally no sense now. The base mechanics of the game encourage stacking to condense damage, heals, etc., even requiring you to be in tight quarters inside a keep to take it. Instead of changing this they're artificially boosting damage and ruining mitigation to make stacking impossible, but then they also nerf the best heal (BoT) in favor of heals best targeted at closely stacked groups and refuse to change keep mechanics to make spreading out more viable. They clearly have no idea what they're doing, and are wildly playing with numbers to try to put a bandaid on something they have no clue how to really fix.

This is a mess of a patch. They dropped a bomb on organized group play, and than added rediculous buffs to defenders in the form of siege and camps and neglected to change any of the game mechanics that made stacking necessary in the first place. It's a bad fix, a lazy fix.

zyk · February 2016

I am pretty sure the lead designer of this game is a focus group composed of Reddit ESO players.

Erondil · February 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Are there Vicious Death RINGS?

It comes in every piece. So you don't even have to wear an armor piece if you don't want to.

I need proof of it, otherwise I can´t plan ahead

I have 2 rings and a neck, plus two swords and even a shield I'm not using. The jewelry seems to always be arcane, but the armor/weapons come in random traits (though I haven't seen a single piece of sturdy/well-fitted).

Satiar wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

These changes aren't random. Its targeted destruction of group play...........It is ZoS orienting thier game. I don't doubt certain people are going to be very happy about it. I hate it though.

@Satiar I agree - the social aspect of group play (such as doing a shot every time Sarenvog swears) is the most fun that a lot of us have. Since the last major patch, @Lightingale only comes on to play for a few hours during "Drunk Victorem Raid Night" as the rest of the time it's not as much fun. For me, while it is entertaining running 2-6 person groups for a couple hours, it gets old very quickly without the bantering among the groups of 15 odd old timers who have all been friends for years. You can't do that when multiple groups are making different calls and both need battle comms in the same TS channel.

That's what's frustrating to me. There are so many games that cater to small teams, little elite groups of 4-8. There are so few quality games like this where you can have a big team.

This patch, I get the picture. ZoS doesn't want big groups. Message received, not welcome. Ok. It's sickening, though. There are so few games that had the promise this one did, and to me this really feels like the end as far as large group gameplay. I don't doubt I'll stick around for a while, but the moment CU beta drops or hell BDO, I'm done. Time to find a game that actually wants me in it.

As far as I'm concerned, they are so tangled up in amateur coding and lag problems they can't fix they've decided to turn on the player base they advertised to in the first place in a last ditch effort to make thier game halfway playable. And to all the players like me that hung on and convinced their guild and friends to hope for an eventual light at the end of the tunnel...well, there's the door. Goddammit

I sympathize with this line of thinking more than people may think I do. However, I don't necessarily see it the same way. IMO there's nothing in this patch that says don't play as a large group. All I see is them telling us not to pack everyone into super tight balls. The only issue I have is one you've brought up before, and that's assaulting defended keeps. The camp radius is so small it won't reach the outer wall of the keep from a resource. The only people who will be able to use camps are defenders which is a huge advantage to the players that already have the advantage of defending. Disregarding that though, I want to see how it will work. All these new sets work just as well for the people attacking a keep as they do the people defending. I'm sure there's something that can be done about it, but just the camp issue for me is enough to make me not siege any keeps anymore.

Rings only come in blue in the RftW tho, right? I guess its still worth it but its going to look ugly on my char sheet

WRX · February 2016

@Satiar,

I think we will find the best groups will still be playing and having fun together. But itll be very different roles.

I mean, several people will take in a tank role. Templars will still be king when it comes to heals, but it wont be a stacking meta I feel. It will be a lot individualized play style, and if a group slips up and gets to aggressive, it could very well be a wipe.

IDK about you all, but Im really excited for NPK to run into this patch with a 40 man train, similar to how you guys feel about TKO or something. It will no longer be a follow the hat, but more of the hat likely being a tank and a TRUE spread and collapse thing. A lot of countering will happen.

CatchMeTrolling · February 2016

Bat bombing proxy deting groups just got deadlier and 1vxing with proxy. Oh I can't wait

Recremen · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Lots of great changes, but unreflectable meteor? Barrier only hitting 6? Both terrible ideas. Other ultimates have a way to avoid them, but Meteor is just gonna happen, no matter what? With its buggy CC, high initial damage, DoT component, etc., I'm incredibly skeptical that this is going to be a positive change. And barrier only hitting 6 is a nerf too far, I think. I'm all for it hitting fewer people, but 12 would have been a better balance point, I think.

Meteor did have a counter and viable rotation for it to hit. Unexpected buff tbh.

@Minno

Not sure what you mean by a "viable rotation for it to hit." Meteor is not currently guaranteed to hit specifically because it is reflectable. It might hit the target, it might hit the caster, it really depends on who has a reflect and who has ranged attacks to eat through an enemy's reflect pool so that they still get hit by the meteor. It's way too strong if it's unreflectable.

Tell that sorcs templars and NBs who had no reliable way of countering a DKs meteor. You´ll eventually learn to block it too.

@Derra I already do block it when I'm out of magical, I'm not an idiot. And people used to be able to re-reflect it back, which was cool and kept me on my toes. NB and Sorc can slot shield for the reflect. Not to mentioned if you see them flap you can just get off some other reflectable ranged attacks to seat through the reflect pool.

Satiar · February 2016

Meteor reflect change is good. Only can be reflected twice, meaning reflecting was a gamble on your opponent not being an idiot and reflecting it back again.