ksimpscnub18_ESO wrote: »

dantator wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

That cloak nerf though..

Ya, tbh that was unnecessary...

Straight up blizzard nerf on cloak. Sad for a Mag NB since beta that all the mag dks rerolked NB and got my class nerfed hard. We will adapt but in the way they set the game up cloak is one of a mag blades only defensive moves. Now everyone will just spam magelight. Mag NB gonna be best group dps though with cp and proxy change. Sorcs too. BOL nerf gonna bring back more resto heals to get negated.

Who needs cloak if you are able to insta knockout a group as nightblade?

You know exactly what I mean.

Darnathian wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I like that meteor is reflectable because it takes some intelligence to use. Firing it indiscriminately will eventually hurt. Not in 2.3. Thoughtless bombs away! It will be like the first week of 1.6 all over again.

I don't get why this change was made. Meteor is in a good place now: powerful, but with a counter.

On the other hand, I can't wait to nuke DKs(!!)

ya. i dont want to jump to conclusions but i feel that this is another big hit to mag dks and they dont realize it just like when they did the stam blocking change.

Could be a nerf. It could be Zose didn't find a way to deal with the constant reflects going around. And with builds having trouble against DK's scale and sorcs shields, the meteor will be used to deal dmg for builds that need it.

It will also be used as a deterrent in bunching up. Sure it might be used by large raids, and in large group play may get confusing go see it coming. But that's a reflection on separating a good 16-24 man raid over others; if your not paying attention to the animations or warning signs, you should be dead.

Increase importance of block doesn't seem so doom and gloom. I think we as a community got too used to stacking one resource type. This, including other changes, will be the devs way of letting us know its time to look at how health/stam/magicka balance is to a successful build. Even some of the new sets showing +magicka with +stam passives, so I don't think my assumption is far fetched.

Certainly full main dmg resource stack can be viable, but its looking like the tradeoff will be the required resources to play defensively to counter some of these changes.

Only addition I think needs to be removed is that gear set that adds 15k on player death. We will need more info if that set means a flat 15k dmg or it will be reduced via cyro battle spirit. 7.5 k doesn't seem deadly if the later is true, but it feels like the "shield breaker" version of anti-zerg spells; as a small group player I am against such a set since its lazy balance.

Satiar wrote: »

I feel like group v group fights are going to last 1.5 seconds. No barrier, that fire set and massively buffed prox det. Not sure I like the idea of every fight being a prox bomb suicide mission.

They are kind of already are that though. Barrier saved people from having to build defensively. You prox up and rush into the other group, hoping that your prox burst them down and your Nado's execute those which are low, pop back out, reprox, rinse repeat. Pop barriers when your low. A bit dumbed down of course, but that's the general gist.

Prox Det IMO is stupid, it should be removed.

I don't think that Fire set will make it through as is, they nerfed the Maelstrom 2H Sword when people saw how much that did, I think this will get similar treatment. 15k damage is insane.

Satiar wrote: »

I feel like group v group fights are going to last 1.5 seconds. No barrier, that fire set and massively buffed prox det. Not sure I like the idea of every fight being a prox bomb suicide mission.

Might be true. But I can see adapted movements to compensate.

Still don't like that fire set. It's against everything the community asked for (both small and large scale playstyles.)

Satiar wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

I feel like group v group fights are going to last 1.5 seconds. No barrier, that fire set and massively buffed prox det. Not sure I like the idea of every fight being a prox bomb suicide mission.

They are kind of already are that though. Barrier saved people from having to build defensively. You prox up and rush into the other group, hoping that your prox burst them down and your Nado's execute those which are low, pop back out, reprox, rinse repeat. Pop barriers when your low. A bit dumbed down of course, but that's the general gist.

Prox Det IMO is stupid, it should be removed.

I don't think that Fire set will make it through as is, they nerfed the Maelstrom 2H Sword when people saw how much that did, I think this will get similar treatment. 15k damage is insane.

I'm certainly looking into more defensive builds, but god damn. Honestly, they probably could have just removed barrier and left it there. Buffing prox det and all the rest is insult to injury.

I already run a permablock build with full impen and almost 30k health and I can still get blown up now. Not sure how defensive you think I can go in next patch lol

That is if you survive siege spam first mate.

God_flakes wrote: »

ksimpscnub18_ESO wrote: »

dantator wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

That cloak nerf though..

Ya, tbh that was unnecessary...

Straight up blizzard nerf on cloak. Sad for a Mag NB since beta that all the mag dks rerolked NB and got my class nerfed hard. We will adapt but in the way they set the game up cloak is one of a mag blades only defensive moves. Now everyone will just spam magelight. Mag NB gonna be best group dps though with cp and proxy change. Sorcs too. BOL nerf gonna bring back more resto heals to get negated.

I'd like Wheeler to come here and explain the massive BS NERF to cloak. All I want is a reason WHY.

Same reason for most of these changes: lots of vocal complainers.

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Of course I understand it's implication in group play.

Manoekin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Still no help for Templars, more like nerfs. As a long time Templar I honestly prefer the knock back to sweeps rather than a snare. I also liked purifying projectiles too, didn't see the issue with it. And why is blazing shield scaled off health? BOL got nerfed too but who didn't see that coming. The only buff is to flare which didn't need it though I'm pretty sure there will be nerf threads coming for it.

Currently templars are doing the best at doing on the PTS. Mag dk is excellent too, just a lot different than since I played last.

That was said in 1.6. Offensively they are better but purify was huge for their defense and that's gone with nothing to replace it.

The purify change will take a lot of getting used to. At least in 1v1 from my perspective we're able to deal with a lot of incoming damage really well though still. We'll see how it affects group play soon probably. IMO Templar healers are going to change quite a bit this patch, but probably be even more effective. Thanks for all of the complaining everyone

My take so far is that our normal way to deal with dmg will change slightly. DOTs now a deal breaker in fights, but templars can still purge. Removal of NB purge means they must rely on a Templar or use expensive alliance war skill, or use CP to compensate.

I can see a few morphs of skills no one used before will make a comeback or be used.

All things said, I think we may have a viable patch in terms of overall balance. Might need some tweaking prior to Dark Brotherhood, but it seems viable.

Some of the reflect changes might mean a return to builds that incorporate all stats. Could be Zose's way of forcing hybridization and eventually more gear choices once we see which sets are now vr16 to confirm.

This ASSUMES NB's want a Templar up their buttocks constantly. Part of the fun of playing a NB is the solo aspect of it, the creeping and hiding in the shadows. So now Nb's are required to stick close to a Templar to get dat dot purge? Come on. This is stupid beyond belief. This whole patch appears to me to be nothing more than more encouraged large group or medium size group play. Not less. We asked for help making smaller or solo more viable. Not more dependent on zergs and heal balls. I predict a mass exodus from the game after this patch, to add to the already slow bleed of players from the game.

Or you can slot purge or keep dark cloak up until the DoT is gone, and you get a 8% damage mitigation buff for 5 seconds after you become invisible.

Slotting purge as Stam NB isn't gonna happen. I don't even do much solo stuff anymore abd I recognize it as a gigantic nerf.

Satiar wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Of course I understand it's implication in group play.

Manoekin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Still no help for Templars, more like nerfs. As a long time Templar I honestly prefer the knock back to sweeps rather than a snare. I also liked purifying projectiles too, didn't see the issue with it. And why is blazing shield scaled off health? BOL got nerfed too but who didn't see that coming. The only buff is to flare which didn't need it though I'm pretty sure there will be nerf threads coming for it.

Currently templars are doing the best at doing on the PTS. Mag dk is excellent too, just a lot different than since I played last.

That was said in 1.6. Offensively they are better but purify was huge for their defense and that's gone with nothing to replace it.

The purify change will take a lot of getting used to. At least in 1v1 from my perspective we're able to deal with a lot of incoming damage really well though still. We'll see how it affects group play soon probably. IMO Templar healers are going to change quite a bit this patch, but probably be even more effective. Thanks for all of the complaining everyone

My take so far is that our normal way to deal with dmg will change slightly. DOTs now a deal breaker in fights, but templars can still purge. Removal of NB purge means they must rely on a Templar or use expensive alliance war skill, or use CP to compensate.

I can see a few morphs of skills no one used before will make a comeback or be used.

All things said, I think we may have a viable patch in terms of overall balance. Might need some tweaking prior to Dark Brotherhood, but it seems viable.

Some of the reflect changes might mean a return to builds that incorporate all stats. Could be Zose's way of forcing hybridization and eventually more gear choices once we see which sets are now vr16 to confirm.

This ASSUMES NB's want a Templar up their buttocks constantly. Part of the fun of playing a NB is the solo aspect of it, the creeping and hiding in the shadows. So now Nb's are required to stick close to a Templar to get dat dot purge? Come on. This is stupid beyond belief. This whole patch appears to me to be nothing more than more encouraged large group or medium size group play. Not less. We asked for help making smaller or solo more viable. Not more dependent on zergs and heal balls. I predict a mass exodus from the game after this patch, to add to the already slow bleed of players from the game.

Or you can slot purge or keep dark cloak up until the DoT is gone, and you get a 8% damage mitigation buff for 5 seconds after you become invisible.

Slotting purge as Stam NB isn't gonna happen. I don't even do much solo stuff anymore abd I recognize it as a gigantic nerf.

Then keep dark cloak up. You can easily get 4 casts off and that's plenty of time to GTFO.

It's a nerf, but I don't see it as a gigantic one.

Makkir wrote: »

My computer was high end about 2 years ago. Last night on PTS with my normal settings it was horrible. I had to dumb down to low settings. But the graphics on High was stunning. My tax refund is absolutely going to get me a new rig.

Remember that the PTS is not a performant server to begin with.

God_flakes wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Of course I understand it's implication in group play.

Manoekin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Still no help for Templars, more like nerfs. As a long time Templar I honestly prefer the knock back to sweeps rather than a snare. I also liked purifying projectiles too, didn't see the issue with it. And why is blazing shield scaled off health? BOL got nerfed too but who didn't see that coming. The only buff is to flare which didn't need it though I'm pretty sure there will be nerf threads coming for it.

Currently templars are doing the best at doing on the PTS. Mag dk is excellent too, just a lot different than since I played last.

That was said in 1.6. Offensively they are better but purify was huge for their defense and that's gone with nothing to replace it.

The purify change will take a lot of getting used to. At least in 1v1 from my perspective we're able to deal with a lot of incoming damage really well though still. We'll see how it affects group play soon probably. IMO Templar healers are going to change quite a bit this patch, but probably be even more effective. Thanks for all of the complaining everyone

My take so far is that our normal way to deal with dmg will change slightly. DOTs now a deal breaker in fights, but templars can still purge. Removal of NB purge means they must rely on a Templar or use expensive alliance war skill, or use CP to compensate.

I can see a few morphs of skills no one used before will make a comeback or be used.

All things said, I think we may have a viable patch in terms of overall balance. Might need some tweaking prior to Dark Brotherhood, but it seems viable.

Some of the reflect changes might mean a return to builds that incorporate all stats. Could be Zose's way of forcing hybridization and eventually more gear choices once we see which sets are now vr16 to confirm.

This ASSUMES NB's want a Templar up their buttocks constantly. Part of the fun of playing a NB is the solo aspect of it, the creeping and hiding in the shadows. So now Nb's are required to stick close to a Templar to get dat dot purge? Come on. This is stupid beyond belief. This whole patch appears to me to be nothing more than more encouraged large group or medium size group play. Not less. We asked for help making smaller or solo more viable. Not more dependent on zergs and heal balls. I predict a mass exodus from the game after this patch, to add to the already slow bleed of players from the game.

Or you can slot purge or keep dark cloak up until the DoT is gone, and you get a 8% damage mitigation buff for 5 seconds after you become invisible.

I certainly can slot purge. I don't like purge for many reasons, it's noisy (petty I know) and it takes up valuable slots from my preferred game play style. Limited slots, yanno? In all reality I would probably have to swap mass hysteria out for it-which is the best cc for magblades. I think given NB limited defenses they need to leave cloak alone. Allowing it to purge wasn't affecting a darn thing.

Everyone forgot the following buffs to NB:

1) increased movement speed via path of darkness (stays on you for 2 seconds after you leave the path). Dmg increased by 25%.

2) DOT mitigation while invisible.
3) debilitate now has no target limit. It still grants major expedition.

It's clear ZOS gave you guys a way to escape despite the nerf to purged cloak and increased ways to pull you out of stealth. And your main dmg spells weren't touched!!! NB are still relevant, you'll just have to start learning battlefield positioning. But that will be easy with the movement toolset (Templar here and I'm jealous!)