After Seeing People Already Saying Magicka DK is too good...

Glory · February 2016

There has been a lot of talk about how magicka DK is now going to be an extremely good class, and I just wanted to point out the reason that people are saying this, and caution against an early call for nerfs:

Magicka DK has always been good at duels (which is what most people are doing to test PvP builds right now). The changes to this class have given them back a little bit of the "stand your ground" feeling, which makes them excel at 1v1s. I would just like to remind everyone that this playstyle does not translate to open world, and the escape mechanics of magicka DK have not changed significantly. They are still a relatively slow class, and I expect them to be trampled a fair deal in larger fights as they already do.

I just hope that everyone takes a holistic approach to class evaluation before they start calling for nerfs. While we may lose a 1v1 standing toe-to-to with DK DoTs, remember that a stamina class can run circles around them, a templar laughs as they purify damage, and a magicka DK caught in an open field can't even reflect the 3 incoming meteors that signal his/her doom.

DUTCH_REAPER · February 2016

boys and girls remember....every time someone calls for a mDK nerf...a kitten dies. There are SOoo many dead kittens as it is. Help save a kitten and shut your mouth with that nerf nonsense.

Glory · February 2016

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

boys and girls remember....every time someone calls for a mDK nerf...a kitten dies. There are SOoo many dead kittens as it is. Help save a kitten and shut your mouth with that nerf nonsense.

Save the kitties!

Bfish22090 · February 2016

the really need to nerf battle roar, its too op

cazlonb16_ESO · February 2016

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

boys and girls remember....every time someone calls for a mDK nerf...a kitten dies. There are SOoo many dead kittens as it is. Help save a kitten and shut your mouth with that nerf nonsense.

Save the kitties!

Well, it could be worse. Like every time a nerf to Templars actually happens a kitty dies...They'd be facing extinction by now.

Isbilen · February 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

the really need to nerf battle roar, its too op

Not that I've done the math, but the average Nightblade probably gets more resources back over the duration of a fight from the tri-recovery passive than the average Dragonknight does from the occasional ultimate use

Iyas · February 2016

A DK oneshottet one with the ha buff. Seems legit.
20-25k Burning embers heal. Seems legit

But its only the first patch. I hope for some adjustments

Glory · February 2016

Iyas wrote: »

A DK oneshottet one with the ha buff. Seems legit.
20-25k Burning embers heal. Seems legit

But its only the first patch. I hope for some adjustments

DK's have been one shotting people with that buff for a while now. I haven't looked into it (I'm not a one-shot kind of person), but perhaps they need to tone it down? Dunno.

Regarding the burning embers heal, the large heal is after an 8.5 second duration (IIRC, not on atm). If you get a fully buffed (igneous, coagulating, etc.) 8.5 second duration embers heal for 25,000, that averages out to 2.9k healing per second for that heal if you averaged it. Compare this to other heals like Rally (which provides HoT in addition to a burst heal), Vigor (which provides a bigger HoT over time), or BoL (which heals for 5k+ and is instant cast), and I don't see the problem really. A magicka DK has to wait almost 10 seconds to receive a return on investment heal, while other heals are either instant HoT proc or instant heal!

Lucky28 · February 2016

I think they are in a good place. I've been doing nothing but dueling Magicka DK's on the PTS with my Magicka Sorc. and it has been very fun. i think the class is looking really good.

AddictionX · February 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

the really need to nerf battle roar, its too op

It takes alot of ultimate to get that boost.

Glory · February 2016

AddictionX wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

the really need to nerf battle roar, its too op

It takes alot of ultimate to get that boost.

Indeed!

Wing · February 2016

DK's finally get a buff after nearly a YEAR of being stomped into the ground and the whiners come out. le sigh. guess it would be bad for them if DK's were competitive again and the game had 4 classes.

the only concern I have is that with burning embers the way it is what purpose does whip have?

Shadesofkin · February 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

the really need to nerf battle roar, its too op

Every time someone says this, it's hard to be polite. This passive has been changed 3 times as it is, it doesn't need to be changed again.

Magicka DK's finally got some serious serious love and the DK Healer got some extra goodies too.

I'd like to note that nearly every change I wanted and mentioned specifically happened and that makes me happy.

AddictionX · February 2016

dont worry cause stamina dk and sorcs stayed the same.

Glory · February 2016

Wing wrote: »

DK's finally get a buff after nearly a YEAR of being stomped into the ground and the whiners come out. le sigh. guess it would be bad for them if DK's were competitive again and the game had 4 classes.

the only concern I have is that with burning embers the way it is what purpose does whip have?

I feel this concern, as the HoT to flame lash exploit is less important in the overall scheme of magicka DK. I do think that the HoT will still be nice, the exploit will still be useful (increased damage and free!), and it may open up the opportunity to try the alternate morph in PvP.

Alucardo · February 2016

I got slammed by so many mag dks today, and I cried with happiness. I think a lot of it was my fault however for not finding my way around the new CPs properly yet. Magic/elemental damage in general was cutting me down really bad. Even the mobs in IC called me a noob.
In any case, Magicka DKs got a decent buff without being too over the top. If anyone complains they need nerfing, then it's a L2P issue.