In the patch notes I believe I read that in the Assault and Support lines, thay greatly reduced the amount of ap needed to rank up. Elsewhere in the notes they said they doubled the amount of ap a player kill is worth.

You stamina users are going to more easily get caltrops and vigor.

Cloak doesnt remove dots so things will get though for stam NBs, especially for me as vamp.
Steel Tornado radius is nerfed and players can get more phyisical resist from CPs.

Purge will affect less players and it will be needed more in groups with these buffed sieges.

My Bosmer NB will probably be respecced to magicka build.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

It's about time, sorry. No more Elder Scrolls Online: Stamina Unlimited.

yep back to elder sorcs online....

I'm getting deja vu from when all the magica abilities were nerfed.

Templar:


Dragonknight:

BlackEar wrote: »

Stamplars are still dead.

Hopefully with the Dark Brotherhood patch then... Might be I should just change to Magicka right away instead of waiting.

That's exactly what I'm doing. The reason is mainly I want to complete some PvE achievments, which is easier on magicka, but I see this is the best time to switch.

Taternater wrote: »

In the patch notes I believe I read that in the Assault and Support lines, thay greatly reduced the amount of ap needed to rank up. Elsewhere in the notes they said they doubled the amount of ap a player kill is worth.

You stamina users are going to more easily get caltrops and vigor.

and magicka users easyer magicka det? so whats your point. ZoS mayorly buffed magicka sorc again.

Reading through the patchnotes, I don't really see an issue? I would even argue that Stamina Nightblades who uses Shadowy Disguise, instead of Dark Cloak, actually got a buff in this regard.

I'm not too fussed, I'm quite liking the changes thus far.

Barlthump wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Was working on a StamBlade, but imma keep on lvling and prepping him for Cyrodiil

Imma L2P and adapt regardless

Choose a MagBlade instead, aim for 2k magicka recovery. Screw crit chance, cloak for 100% crit, hit, cloak, hit, cloak hit, cloak hit. Make them QQ somemore. People are gonna have lesser magical resist because of CP changes and you're gonna have more damage! IMMA HANG UP MY HUNDINGS AND WEAR MYSELF A JULIANOS.

Dude, MagBlade is my main (And I'm proud of him )

But I'm interested in trying out both sides of the coin

And no matter what the changes are, no matter how much Stam builds get effed up,...
Imma adapt anyways

Copypaste of my Comment on CP changes:

Very Concerned about Championsystem I really hope you are going to take a look:

So you made it so Elemental Expert basically increases all Magicka based damage now. This is really good for Magicka builds.

BUT

Stamina builds that have different sources of damage don't get anything. A Stamina DK gains a lot of his damage from Fire Damage. And he still needs to split points between Mighty and Elemental Expert. A Stamina Nightblade will have similar issues because of the Magic Damage he does. To me it sounded like they wanted exactly this to be gone. Apparently only in favor of Magicka builds.

They should have just made:

Elemental Expert: Increases all Magicka based Damage
Mighty: Increases all Stamina based Damage

Both Stamina and Magicka builds need Thaumaturge.
Both Stamina and Magicka builds need Penetration
Both Stamina and Magicka builds need Critical Damage
Both Stamina and Magicka builds need Elemental Expert
Stamina builds need Mighty
Magicka builds do NOT need Mighty because they don't do any Physical Damage.

So to increase DPS Magicka builds need 4 different passives.
and Stamina builds need 5 different passives.

Some changes I am good with, other its ohwell:

- Adding physical resist to CP......I don't have a problem with this because Azura's and BWB are going to be CP free campaigns

- Stam nightblade needed some of these changes, but they were a little overboard. I agree with the change to siphoning strikes as it did proc to much with caltrops, but I think the nerf was a little to much. This skill allowed NB tanks to be almost inline with DK tanks as we give up a little of survivability to have better resource management! Now its engine guardian or gtfo.

- Stam DK's are going to be in a nice place with the CP changes by adding poison dmg to mighty and making Thaumaturge affect damage over time. A dot heavy stam DK is going to be pretty powerful.

- Stampler looks like it will be in a nice place given some of the changes. Still no mobility, but the change to Puncturing Strikes was much needed in PVP and PVE.

- Stam Sorc - we are still in the same place, a pure weapons build running bound armorments and lightning form. One change I did find in testing the PTS is that rapid strikes with CP split between Thaumaturge and Mighty gives better dmg as a main spam than wrecking blow. I get better dps out of a Bow/DW Dot build with Valkyn Skoria, then I do with the traditional wrecking blow + rearming trap build. This is going to hurt stam sorc survivability in end-game PVE since crit surge does not proc on rapid strikes! Caltrops with lightning form + arrow barrage +poison injection + rendering slashes with rapid strikes/heavy weave for single target and caltrops + arrow barrage and steel tornado for AOE make for great dp combos with valkyn skoria proc.

- So, all-in-all, still looks like magicka will have the upperhand in PVE and stam will still make the best burst/gank builds in PVP. Stam temp and Stam DK look to be in the best spots after this patch (aside from still lacking mobility). Stam NB was pretty balanced and only needed minor tweaks, not complete overkill of certain skills. Stam sorc, yeah we still are at the bottom of the barrel!

The changes to stamina builds aren't quite that crippling on paper. Haven't been on the PTS to see how they actually perform yet. I feel as though most people that have commented in this thread haven't yet either.

I do believe that the lack of stamina class skills for all classes other than NB is still a huge issue. Causing any stamina build, other than NBs, into using a 2H or S&B for single target melee damage.

Also would have liked to see CC immunity revisited in this patch, from a PvP perspective. Whether it's lag, or poor coding, getting CC'd twice in a row - after you break the first one - is an issue. Cannot count how many times I've been knocked up in the air from a WB while having CC immunity active. Things like that can make or break a fight.

Can't give a full hearted opinion towards anything until a good amount of testing is done. Yet I do believe, according to the paper changes, both stamina and magicka builds will be on a similar level again.

Well its an mmo so this things will keep changing forever...