Why is there no stamina morphs been added to sorcerer abilites these patch notes

found1779 · February 2016

I was looking over the patch notes and every change that was made to sorcerers are for magicka players none for stamina players why this is not fair yall are only supporting magicka player style not stamina sorcerer player style sorcerer pets should have a stamina morph at least but no you all didn't make one this is screwed up

SemiD4rkness · February 2016

Because Magicka Sorcs were in much more need of help

found1779 · February 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Because Magicka Sorcs were in much more need of help

Highly doubt it stamina sorcerers are never there priority i swear zenimax is just dumb at times honestly there are like 3 stamina morphs for sorcerers that's it sorcerers needed more stamina morphs but did not get them and people wonder why we only use wrecking blow

D0ntevenL1ft · February 2016

I was hoping for this aswell .. Magicka sorcs now hold the top spot in all things eso

failkiwib16_ESO · February 2016

If I'm not mistaken, each class has 3 stamina morphs. They used to be all magicka back in the days though..

found1779 · February 2016

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

I was hoping for this aswell .. Magicka sorcs now hold the top spot in all things eso

I guess so i was looking at all the pets changes etc not even a single one supports stamina might as well say stamina sorcerers can only rely on weapon abilites for anything

found1779 · February 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, each class has 3 stamina morphs. They used to be all magicka back in the days though..

No i think not nightblades i believe have more then 3

Lexxypwns · February 2016

@FENGRUSH

found1779 · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@FENGRUSH

Who's this lol

Faulgor · February 2016

found1779 wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, each class has 3 stamina morphs. They used to be all magicka back in the days though..

No i think not nightblades i believe have more then 3

Well, the Clannfear heals on demand based on your maximum health, so that's at least somewhat useful for stamina builds!
Why you would use that instead of Vigor I don't know though ...

found1779 · February 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, each class has 3 stamina morphs. They used to be all magicka back in the days though..

No i think not nightblades i believe have more then 3

Well, the Clannfear heals on demand based on your maximum health, so that's at least somewhat useful for stamina builds!
Why you would use that instead of Vigor I don't know though ...

True i just thought there might have been some more changes to stamina part of sorcerers and not just the magicka part i'm not happy tbh stamina sorcerers are already limited as it is and here they are had a chance to change that and didn't i just don't really understand why i feel like i am almost being forced to have to play a certain way with all the limitations stamina sorcerers have

FENGRUSH · February 2016

Because they dont care - at all. They are too busy doing damage control on what is broken. And of course gotta fix magicka DK with tons of buffs because - so many people played it.

Theres enough people making threads and posts about stam sorc, but there isnt an overwhelming amount of community outraged about it. You literally dont have to play the PTS as a stam sorc - nothing is moving for you.

Mivryna · February 2016

"Stamina morph" doesn't necessarily mean that it is based and scaled off Stamina. It merely has to support a Stamina build. Surge for example is a very Stamina-friendly ability even though it requires Magicka to cast.

found1779 · February 2016

Umbranox wrote: »

"Stamina morph" doesn't necessarily mean that it is based and scaled off Stamina. It merely has to support a Stamina build. Surge for example is a very Stamina-friendly ability even though it requires Magicka to cast.

I see but still there are not any changes like that this patch lets say like a morph that increases weapon damage for having a pet summon even if it scales off magicka but supported stamina in a way it would be okay but there isn't

found1779 · February 2016

All i wanted was to actually be able to use more of my sorcerer powers as a stamina sorcerer but no guess it ain't going to happen this patch

Flak · February 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

You literally dont have to play the PTS as a stam sorc - nothing is moving for you.

Only if you want to see your steel tornado getting smaller...
Compare that to up to 100% additional damage on proxy det now... good balancing

D0ntevenL1ft · February 2016

Flak wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

You literally dont have to play the PTS as a stam sorc - nothing is moving for you.

Only if you want to see your steel tornado getting smaller...
Compare that to up to 100% additional damage on proxy det now... good balancing

Yes you may refer to my thread titled "magicka or gtfo". ZOS logic.

Tryxus · February 2016

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't Sorcerers supposed to be mage, not warriors?

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OK, gonna deliver a bit more than just a cheesy one-liner here:

ZOS alrdy hit that sweet balance of viable Magicka and Stamina builds for NB, why is it so hard for them to do the same to other classes? Adding Weapon Damage to the Expert Mage passive would be a good start

Aspi90 · February 2016

yeah, i don´t want use WB ...

leepalmer95 · February 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Because they dont care - at all. They are too busy doing damage control on what is broken. And of course gotta fix magicka DK with tons of buffs because - so many people played it.

Theres enough people making threads and posts about stam sorc, but there isnt an overwhelming amount of community outraged about it. You literally dont have to play the PTS as a stam sorc - nothing is moving for you.

It's because mag dk's was essentially useless where as stam sorc still have some utility as a class, mobility, stuns, etc... and of course wb spam like all the cool kids do.

Though perhap's they should of done something, they buffed nb's again in some ways ffs, why did they need a ult buff from drinking pots?

Tryxus · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

why did they need a ult buff from drinking pots?

Skooma

ADarklore · February 2016

I think in Tamriel reality, class skills are mostly about MAGICKA... while weapons (other than Staff) are Stamina. Next people will want Magicka morphs of Steel Tornado- we could be throwing Magicka blades instead of metal ones.

found1779 · February 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

I think in Tamriel reality, class skills are mostly about MAGICKA... while weapons (other than Staff) are Stamina. Next people will want Magicka morphs of Steel Tornado- we could be throwing Magicka blades instead of metal ones.

Game is suppose to be play as you want but in reality it isn't with all the limitations stamina sorcerers have more sorcerer powers should work for stamina sorcerers so we have more options

EnemyOfDaState · February 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

I think in Tamriel reality, class skills are mostly about MAGICKA... while weapons (other than Staff) are Stamina. Next people will want Magicka morphs of Steel Tornado- we could be throwing Magicka blades instead of metal ones.

That would be fine if using both was a viable option. You cant make class skills all magika because then people who use weapons other then staff or bow are screwed because they don't have the stamina to constantly roll and block.

dday3six · February 2016

found1779 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I think in Tamriel reality, class skills are mostly about MAGICKA... while weapons (other than Staff) are Stamina. Next people will want Magicka morphs of Steel Tornado- we could be throwing Magicka blades instead of metal ones.

Game is suppose to be play as you want but in reality it isn't with all the limitations stamina sorcerers have more sorcerer powers should work for stamina sorcerers so we have more options

Doing what you want doesn't come with a guarantee of quality or success.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · February 2016

ZOS doesn't seem to understand stamina sorc community and why the stamina sorc doesn't stack up to the stamina builds of other classes.

I have tried to explain it, we have had several threads of ideas for the devs on stamina sorc, and what morphs to change. Then they make lightning form a stamina morph - something NO ONE suggested and NO ONE even uses.

As a stamina build you use stamina for DPS and Magicka for utility. If you use stamina for both, you run out of stam and die. That's what happens when you try and re-apply the stamina lightning form for the speed buff. And that is why stamina sorcs don't use it. We have told ZOS this over and over again but they dont seem to listen.

Stamina sorcerer has the potential to be the most fun build in the game. ZIpping around charged by lighting streaking and crit rushing things. But as it stands, stam sorc is basically a pure weapon build using very few sorcerer abilities.

In short, here are the things that need to happen for stam sorc to be competative.

Thundering presence needs to be reverted to a magicka utility and offer a longer duration on the speed buff.
Stamina sorc needs a stamina based instant cast non-reflectable skill
Overload ultimate needs to scale to stamina properly like all ultimates are supposed to when stamina is the higher resource pool.
Streak should reset the cool down timer if you cause damage with the skill- this rewards sorcerers for staying in the fight (and using the skill offensively) but still punishes them for running away.
Damage shields need to be critable. at least make crits register against a damage shield even if they dont do extra damage so you can get the heals and other set effects off them.
Pets should scale off magicka or stamina and their physical attacks should do physical damage

This would be a good start. I would like to see the sorcerer class reworked in the long run, have pets reworked and overload reworked but this would be a good start.

Alucardo · February 2016

We can throw suggestions at ZOS until we're blue in the face, but it appears they really have no intention of doing anything with stamina sorcs.
It feels like they don't actually want any one to even play stam sorc, and if that's the case, I wish they were just honest about it.

Mettaricana · February 2016

Maybe stamina will get its love in dark brotherhood

Duiwel · February 2016

They should add a Stamina skill tree for Stam sorc's... instead of arguing who gets what.

Bromburak · February 2016

The question is why would you chose a class like Sorc and then focus on stamina?

I agree that freedom of morph choice makes sense similar to NB dynamics but we all know its not the case for Sorc and DK, so why are you playing a class and make your self depend on weapons instead of class skills? For def and buffs only?

In comparison to DK I really like the patch, because finally I can focus on class skills and not on damn weapons. (flame instead weapon damage , ember heal changes, CP adjustments, it fits perfectly now).

Simple question, what do you really like on your Sorc why do you play this class?

Alucardo · February 2016

Bromburak wrote: »

The question is why would you chose a class like Sorc and then focus on stamina?

I agree that freedom of morph choice makes sense similar to NB dynamics but we all know its not the case for Sorc and DK, so why are you playing a class and make your self depend on weapons instead of class skills? For def and buffs only?

In comparison to DK I really like the patch, because finally I can focus on class skills and not on damn weapons. (flame instead weapon damage , ember heal changes, CP adjustments, it fits perfectly now).

Simple question, what do you really like on your Sorc why do you play this class?

When I first started this game I was told you were not bogged down to either just magicka or stamina on each class - ok cool. I saw Sorcs received 15% cost reduction on Ultimates and I wanted to try werewolf. It was the logical choice.
After playing for a while and discovering all these cool stam abilities other classes I had I realised that sorc was actually pretty far behind for stamina builds, and pretty gimped, but I had come too far to just reroll.
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy stamina sorc, but it needs some big improvements. At the moment you're just a raw melee user.