Public ban list, should it happen?

vyrusb23 · February 2016

Bad idea.

vamp_emily wrote: »

Honestly I could careless if people seen my name was on the list.

That means that you care about people seeing your name on the list.

I think what you mean is that you couldn't care less.

smacx250 · February 2016

I don't feel strongly one way or the other - but probably leaning towards "no". However, it may be generally helpful if they published a list of offenses for which they took action, and what the action was. This may help people stay away from actionable behaviors, as well as let players know that in general the reporting of issues doesn't fall on deaf ears. Of course, it could also have the opposite effect if the list was stale and empty.

rfennell_ESO · February 2016

If ZOS took action like this the banned would just go to wherever and deny deny deny deny deny and accuse ZOS of all sorts of sordid deeds.

It's like lol, I'm sure anyone that does even a bit of pvp has seen some ridiculous automated attack sequences or Ke**z style script pulling of his pagefile to simulate lag so you get hit 4 times in a second... or the "I've gone immune to damage even though my health is zero lol" joy. Even if you catch them red handed (red is usually the faction anyways), they claim otherwise. You aren't going to get a cheater to ever admit to squat, you get the opposite response and insults and usually some salt related comment.

Fact is, that in ESO, we have the most arrogant bunch of exploiters I've ever seen. There is no shame, there isn't really even an attempt to give a crap that they are cheaters. They take exploiting as a medal of skill, they wear it proudly and are only interested in more medals.

Refuse2GrowUp · February 2016

Yes make it happen!

Yes, but only for egregious exploits and where there is irrefutable proof of use of the exploit.

Most games consider egregious as those that manipulate or destroy the games economy, circumvent major controls, or cheat for advanced leaderboard placement or contest win(s).

For most small issues, I think it would suffice to simply have a stickied thread saying that a certain , named exploit was discovered and that (specified) number of players received temp bans lasting xx number of days for use of the exploit. This at least sends the message that ZOS takes things seriously and will take action...which currently we all know they will not.

For egregious exploits, especially those that infringe upon leaderboard standings or Emperor runs (or arenas/duel competitions once they come online), i see no reason not to say (named individual) was caught using (named) exploit and has been removed from the current leaderboards and received a temporary/permanent ban. So and so will will be issued a leaderboard reward as they are now within the top 100/10%/3% since (named) individual was banned. <<-- this sends the message that ZOS takes their game seriously and will enforce rules and protect the sanctity of fair competition.

That all said, at this point I would simply be happy with a generic message saying exploits are being investigated and action is being taken against players using certain exploits. Anything from ZOS to show they give a sh(poop) would be a welcome change.

Besides, the community is small enough we will all know if players are genuinely being temp/perma banned.

HeroOfNone · February 2016

Yes make it happen!

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

I think there should be a lot more transparency in the administration of exploits in general. And, if not a public ban list, a summary of metrics on how many were banned and why. There are a few reasons

- The community is rather ignorant of various cheats being used. This means there are a lot of false reports clogging up support and other valid complaints are left unheard.
- In some cases some will exploit without knowing they shouldn't do it. Their buddy told them "everyone does it", they copied some guy they saw doing it and thought it was legal, etc.
- Guilds should be given knowledge how their members are acting. If your guild's reputation is hurt because of this one member, you'd want to know.
- It shows that ZOS support is taking our complaints seriously. Going into the black hole of support and getting an email that someone is being investigated doesn't give most enough feedback to know if they did the right thing. In cases where we see that same person back a week later, doing the same exploit, many feel "oh, it must be legal, they never got punished." If that's the case most of us would stop reporting, and support will be left blind anyway
- It will affect the priority of fixing certain bugs. there are some major exploits out there right now that need fixing, but because few people know about it there isn't much pressure to fix them. Getting these things aired out will force the issue to close these gaps.

Eliminate giving the names of the people banned, would you still have an issue with reporting out how many were banned and why? We're so worried about hurting the feelings of the individual, who broke the rules otherwise the wouldn't be listed, that we lose our on a very important piece of transparency into the game.

Volkodav · February 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

Honestly I could careless if people seen my name was on the list. It would be nice to see that they are banning people for bad things ( in game ), but I still think its a bad idea.

Careless? Or care less. If you care less,you might get careless. XD

sylviermoone · February 2016

Bad idea.

While I wouldn't mind seeing SOME metrics regarding disciplinary action (something along the lines of what actions were reported and what action was taken), publishing names in connection with them is pointless. With a quick mail to CS, anyone can change their user ID.

So, with that said, I think I'm going to vote no on this one.

Emma_Overload · February 2016

Bad idea.

NO... I would much rather ZOS spend resources FIXING the exploits instead of talking about them.

bryanhaas · February 2016

Yes make it happen!

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Basically a thread where if ZOS bans or otherwise punishes someone they list the offenders ID, server, reason and punishment, nothing like public humiliation to deter some potential cheaters. Plus it will show that ZOS does care about exploiters ruining the game for those that play fair. What do you think? For reference look at the nexus mods forums and look at the forum rules and warnings subforum Warning strong language

I'm all for it but doubt they will do it, I think someone may find a way to sue over it.

FYI detour should be deter as in deterrent. Detour is an alternate route so can understand the confusion.

tinythinker · February 2016

I would vote "no" because it only servers to create resentment. If you are banned, you are already being punished, but if the ban is lifted you should have the option of learning your lesson and not have people refuse to group with you or let you in a guild because your account name or gamer tag once appeared on a banned list. This is especially problematic if the ban was a mistake in the first place.

I am guessing this is one of the reasons they have the name and shame policy. There are already plenty of people treating each other poorly and sending hate tells just because they assume someone is cheating. I have no wish to see that escalate. In any case, such policies are not determined by forums polls.

kenpachi480 · February 2016

Bad idea.

2016 people,. pitchfork mentality should be behind us...

sirrmattus · February 2016

[snip]?? So the same people who were crying about group damage addon sharing personal damage information, want to share people's private information?? [snip] is wrong with people here
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efster · February 2016

Bad idea.

What's the point? You're never going to be able to pinpoint every single exploiter/cheater, and I strongly suspect that the vast majority of players who make use of exploits wouldn't even care if they were identified on some list.

And even then, what am I going to do if I'm headed to a resource and spot Banned Player Number 3823? Run away? Type in /zone that "Banned Player Number 3823 at $resource, let's gang up on his musty person"? Fight them even though I'm likely to lose because of some exploit du jour that I don't know about?

An in-game debuff for confirmed cheaters/exploiters, I could get behind. Oh, you used the rearming trap exploit with glee and abandon when it was a thing? Here's -5000 to your crit resistance for 90 days while in PVP areas, regardless of your armour traits, good luck out there.

DovresMalven · February 2016

Bad idea.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

NO... I would much rather ZOS spend resources FIXING the exploits instead of talking about them.

pipedream

HeroOfNone · February 2016

Yes make it happen!

sirrmattus wrote: »

[snip]?? So the same people who were crying about group damage addon sharing personal damage information, want to share people's private information?? [snip] is wrong with people here

In this case, someone broke the rules and it affected everyone. This isn't the case of punishing someone that doesn't know how to play or may have issues (but otherwise good intentions)

As for 'private' info, we're talking about an account name, which you can get anytime from the person you're reporting by ignoring their character name and seeing the @ name that pops up.

Folks seem to fear the worst with this, bit it hasn't destroyed other communities like LoL, CS:GO, or other games that announce when someone is banned for a cheat or exploit.
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BlackEar · February 2016

Bad idea.

We have no group damage meter, we have no option to inspect other people's gear and we should have no public ban list.

Be consistent.

Also, the "public" playerbase are not able to handle such a list. People are way too immature and vengeful.

Leandor · February 2016

It would be empty anyways, perma-bans are exclusive to gold farming bots...

LoreRiley · February 2016

Bad idea.

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Basically a thread where if ZOS bans or otherwise punishes someone they list the offenders ID, server, reason and punishment, nothing like public humiliation to detour some potential cheaters. Plus it will show that ZOS does care about exploiters ruining the game for those that play fair. What do you think? For reference look at the nexus mods forums and look at the forum rules and warnings subforum Warning strong language

No! I'm a degrading and I find this very cheater!

daemonios · February 2016

Yes make it happen!

Provided they give people a fair chance to defend themselves, I think a public temp/perma-ban list could go a long way in curbing the rampant exploit abuses. I mean, if the decision is final, what reason could there be to further protect an exploiter?

As an alternative, don't disclose player names but DO issue the bans and publicly announce "x players have been (temp/perma-banned). Be advised that behaviour y will result in similar sanctions."

demendred · February 2016

Yes make it happen!

I've been trying to get banned for a while myself. I sent GMs naughty messages, made fun of you hayseeds here, but nothing yet.

Moonshadow66 · February 2016

Bad idea.

lordrichter wrote: »

... because of Who Cares?

I am interested if they ban people for in-game violations, but I don't care who they are.

^This.

Danikat · February 2016

Bad idea.

I'd be fine with them putting out stats on the number of people banned for different offenses, or announcing when they close an exploit, although I'm sure some people would say it's fake info.

But I can't see what giving out names would achieve except to open themselves up to criticism from the friends/guild mates/youtube followers etc. of people who get banned and opening banned players up to abuse.

And yes it's true that the person shouldn't have done something to get banned if they don't like consequences, but being banned is supposed to be the punishment. Not having randoms tracking you down on forums, other games, anywhere else you use the same name (or tracking down random other people who happen to use the same screen name) to hurl abuse at you.